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Doctor Who: Season 2 UK

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07:28 / 18.05.06

Or be killed, perhaps to return as a ghost in the season finale or to return as ricky...

Ruchbah me, Armaduras

09:21 / 18.05.06

Are we perhaps veering away from speculation into spoiler territory? Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn, but I do feel like I'm soaking up information about unaired episodes without asking for it...

ONLY NICE THINGS

09:46 / 18.05.06

However, once again, if you have knowledge of casting decisions with implications for future episodes, it might be best to start a new thread to talk about them. This, from the Television Without Pity FAQs, seems sensible:

don't talk about future events in the open threads without using spoiler tags -- including the oh-so-smug "Just you wait" comments.

For threads about episodes that have yet to air in the U.S., or character topics with exceptions in the thread title (Spoilers Okay!), spoiler tags are not required. Spoilers for episodes that have not aired ANYWHERE require spoiler tags even in these areas, of course.

09:55 / 18.05.06

I'm still thinking that the entire parallel earth will fall to the cybermen - Rose's dad will die again just to re-enforce, once again, that even travelling in the tardis, she can't always get what she wants and the Doctor cannot save everyone...

10:37 / 18.05.06

That would be pretty harsh. But it'd make good telly though.

I'm still not convinced that the Doctor would abandon a world to the Cybermen and then swan off and do something else. I could believe it of the war-traumatised 10th Doctor possibly, but 11? Nah.

Still, I'm invariably wrong about my speculations so...

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

10:42 / 18.05.06

I also don't see why the Doctor would abandon a world just because it wasn't one of "his"- they're still real people, after all, and I imagine he'd try to help.

Plotwise, of course, he DOESN'T have to win, and I kind of hope he doesn't. But character-wise, I reckon he'd still care enough to give it a damn good go.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

10:44 / 18.05.06

(Apologies for double-post- just thought of more stuff when I hit Post Reply).

I also can't see Rose being too happy about the whole "they're not really your parents" rationale for buggering off.

Otherwise there's no suspense at all, really- beyond getting Mickey back, they can just hop back in the Tardis and fuck off whenever they want.

11:15 / 18.05.06

Was anyone else getting flashes of Nathan Barley off the double bluetooth ear things?

11:23 / 18.05.06

Made me think of I-pods. In our reality Cybermen will be made of white, easily scratched plastic.

11:42 / 18.05.06

Oh I don't think the Doctor will abandon anyone if he thinks he can help them - I have a feeling that it won't be within his power to save anyone - I'm guessing there will be a lot of dying - Rose's mum and dad will die and not be there to be saved by the tiome the credits roll...

Our Lady Has Left the Building

14:52 / 18.05.06

"Just this once Rose, everybody dies!"

And thanks to those of you who couldn't resist spoiling. Honestly, does it really take too much effort to show a little restraint?

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

19:20 / 18.05.06

Just watched "New Earth." Aside from the pretty funny bits with Cassandra-in-Rose's-body kissing the Doctor or just flirting, I didn't really care for the plot. Cat-nuns with a human body farm? Meh. I did however like the Face of Boe's cryptic bit with meeting the Doctor for the third and final time. Now I'm going to watch "Tooth and Claw."

20:37 / 18.05.06

And thanks to those of you who couldn't resist spoiling. Honestly, does it really take too much effort to show a little restraint?

Apologies, will try and hold it in. However I should say that the copy of SFX I perused today completely contradicts the Mirror's report. So it's up in the air.

Sorry again.

09:11 / 19.05.06

Suedey - I got the info about the comic I linked to for you:

Pencil art was Mike Collins
Inks was David Roach
Colours were Dylan Teague and James Offredi

(and just for completeness: script- Gareth Roberts; story - Roberts and Hickman)

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

16:28 / 19.05.06

Slowly but surely, I'm catching up with you lot and now can go re-read posts pertaining to Series Two episodes. Finished "Tooth and Claw." Don't mind telling you I have a phobia about werewolves. Now onward to "Girl in the Fireplace."

p.s. I rather like Tennant when he wears the glasses.

19:43 / 19.05.06

Having recently broken my glasses I am thinking of getting a pair like those.

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

19:50 / 19.05.06

I'd do it. They look so very cool.

"Girl in the Fireplace" will have to wait until tomorrow. Am also having trouble procuring a download of "Rise of the Cybermen."

Again, slowly but surely, I catch up so as not to be upbraided....

19:54 / 19.05.06

Now onward to "Girl in the Fireplace."

But did you see "School Reunion?"

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

15:11 / 20.05.06

Already have done. I cried just like Stoatie said I would.

15:29 / 20.05.06

Just a quick note to point out something that I think should be obvious to everyone, but I don't recall seeing on this thread re: the girl in the fireplace.

Madame Du Pompadore's relationship with the Doctor thematically echos the relationship of the viewer and Doctor Who - many, if not most, viewers first encountered Doctor Who as Children and were scared by the monsters and saved by the Doctor. We continued to watch because, as Madame du P points out in the show, The Doctor is worth the monsters...

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

15:34 / 20.05.06

I agree with you, sleaze. The Doctor is worth the monsters....

All right, now I'm going to watch "Girl in the Fireplace," but it won't matter much because you lot are going to get to watch "Age of Steel" in a couple of hours...

15:48 / 20.05.06

Just a quick reminder for anyone who didn't know, it's on early today at 6:35.

16:08 / 20.05.06

sleaze, Kali> I'm not entirely sure that the Doctor is worth all of the monsters...

16:15 / 20.05.06

You may laugh, but ever since then the taste of aniseed has sent the unmistakable chill of death up my spine.

Those "Everyone's a little bit Bertie" adverts from years back didn't help either.

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

16:28 / 20.05.06

Just finished "Girl in the Fireplace." I think that was quite a lovely episode. Still no word on "Rise of the Cybermen."

Anyway, I am quite getting used to Tennant's Doctor. He's a bit more mad than the Tenth. Or maybe just mad in a different way.

Gah. Stupid hangover...want to post more but my brain wants to shut down...

20:12 / 20.05.06

Hm. This was average, wasn't it? It was a solid viewing that didn't do anything particularly wrong, but it certainly lacked exhilaration.

I think this episode went a bit wrong because Tom Macrae, youngest of the writing team probably isn't as familiar with the old clichés of Doctor Who, clichés that the new series has utilised, but in unexpected ways (and in rather self-aware fashion).

What I did like, was the Doctor talking to Mickey via the CCTV camera, and Lumic as the Cyber Controller was pretty cool too. The Cybermen were at their most effective when entirely stationary in the cooling tunnel.

Also, have to say that I loathed blonde Byker Grove man. Now that I think of it, this episode could have been a far better adventure if it were a one parter, with all of the Pete Tyler crap ripped out. It would have been tighter, better paced and most importantly, wouldn't have undermined Father's Day if it did that.

Next week's looks good though, doesn't it, with what promises to be great dialogue from Gatiss and thoughtful direction from Lyn.

20:53 / 20.05.06

I thought this episode was a bit of a clunker, I actually preferred last weeks.

Didn't help that the previously noted DEAFENINGLY LOUD MUSIC seemed to run for about ten minutes on a twenty second loop during the ending.

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:16 / 21.05.06

Anyway, I am quite getting used to Tennant's Doctor. He's a bit more mad than the Tenth.

I hate to threadrot, but Eccelstone is usually considered nine, Tennant ten. Peter Cushing doesn't apparently count.

11:56 / 21.05.06

The Peter Cushing Dr Who films were both based on first doctor stories (doctor who and the daleks and the dalek invasion of earth respectively)- also, Cushing was never portrayed as an alien timelord, but more as a sort of eccentric inventor who made his own time machine...

12:36 / 21.05.06

Might have enjoyed it all a bit more if I had been able to make out what the Cybermen were saying through their blue-lit apertures.

Do you think there were any modes of transport other than walking and Zeppelins in the alternate London? Loomic's direct downloading with its five minute frozen periods would be a hazard to drivers, surely.

I found the whole thing curiously unengaging this time. Ganesh seemed to like it well enough, so maybe I wasn't paying proper attention.

12:39 / 21.05.06

Overall I was fairly disapointed with Age of Steel. It all played out pretty much as expected with no real surprises.

However there were some bits that made it an entertaining watch. The Cyber-Jackie recognising Pete, then him and Rose losing track of ver in the crowd of uniform cybers.

The conversation with the dying cyberman, underlining that there are humans inside of these things and they're not just there to die impressively. Also along those lines the reaction of one of the cybers when their emotion gets switched back on, mewling horribly as it stares at it's reflection. Nasty to watch.

Nice place to leave the Mickey character. "I once saved the universe with a big yellow truck."

He better be coming back.

Strange though. The Tardisode for this ep left me with the impression that the other cyber-factories across the world had already been activated, but Pete said they were still dormant.

12:54 / 21.05.06

Xoc: Do you think there were any modes of transport other than walking and Zeppelins in the alternate London?

On that, why the hell were the zeppelins there anyway? An entire world that looks *exactly* the same as ours, with road-based vehicles that function that same way ours do (Ricky's van), only with zeppelins flying about? Bullshit. Just a really bloody lazy way of trying to get the alternate world stuff across. Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

ONLY NICE THINGS

13:06 / 21.05.06

Well, the idea was that the Zepellins were the way the very rich moved across the country, presumably from locales like Jackie and Pete's mansion to others - with a possible suggestion that they were in fact residential. The poor people are left on the ground under curfew. It did feel like another element - esentially, parallel universe, Rose/Pete/Jackie, Cybermen - which made for an overcrowded episode.

13:31 / 21.05.06

I'd forgotten about the curfew thing, too. Another idea that was introduced for the hell of it then abandoned immediately afterwards.

I really didn't like either of these episodes. They were just weak - weak storyline, weak acting, weak script, weak direction. They were just so mediocre that it's difficult to work up enough bile to go off on a worthwhile rant about them.

I wonder if they squeezed so many different elements into the story because they knew that without them it'd have been completely empty. It all seemed pointless. Pete Tyler. Why did it have to be Pete Tyler? We didn't learn anything new about him, Jackie or Rose. Not a thing. Mickey had been so underused in previous episodes that dedicating a single episode to his leaving would have been an extravagance, but two? Season padding. Tennant was used even less effectively than he has been in most of the other episodes. Mrs. Whatsherface getting some backstory - she's dead, then.

I wouldn't mind that we've just had an hour and a half without any character development of note - Mickey doesn't count - if there'd been a decent, brainless sci fi romp in there, but we didn't even get that. A first part stretched to breaking point, a second part where even the action sequences were flat and lifeless.

Very disappointed with this series so far. The Sarah Jane one I liked, the Madame Pompadomp one was flawed but enjoyable, and that's it. The trailer suggests that next week's is going to be good stuff, but it desperately needs to be.

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

14:17 / 21.05.06

(threadrot)

Haus, I meant to post that Eccleston was the Ninth Doctor. I just didn't correct myself. Sorry.

(threadrot ended)

Still looking for a damn download of "Rise of the Cybermen."

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