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Doctor Who: Season 2 UK

 
  

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Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:52 / 12.05.06
Dr What, coming soon to American movie theaters everywhere.

I was on the fence about the episode until the reveal at the end as to why the clockworks thought they needed Pompadores specific head.

Someone upthread mentioned that the Doctor may have no idea where he is going in the Tardis. I think episodes like this one make that more and more likely. Unless he is sitting there and says "Hey Tardis, lets go to somewhere random in space and time, and whatever you do don't tell me the name of the spaceship we land on" it would seem the occasionally they just go where they are needed, Quantum Leap style.

The clockworks were neat looking, and a nice concept (especially with the broken clock) which worked despite anachronism the same way a dog made in the year 3000 would look all disco.

Overall not a great episode, but I put it in the win column for the season.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:06 / 12.05.06
Unless he is sitting there and says "Hey Tardis, lets go to somewhere random in space and time, and whatever you do don't tell me the name of the spaceship we land on" it would seem the occasionally they just go where they are needed, Quantum Leap style.

This was something that always bothered me about Who- for as long as I can remember, I've rationalised it by assuming they go to all manner of times and places- it's only the important ones that make it to the telly. The time they went to Margate and had a really nice time riding donkeys just wouldn't have made good TV.

It occurs to me I've got far too much invested in what DOESN'T happen onscreen but that I can imagine MIGHT have done (relationships with companions, going to places and not having adventures)... I bet if I miss an episode, then IN MY HEAD it will have been the best Who EVAH!!1!!1! Either that or they'll have just gone for a quiet pint in 17th century Ceylon.
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:41 / 12.05.06
I always felt that the Doctor was starting to get a bit of control over where the TARDIS ended up (especially in the McCoy years).

But even now there's still an element of fuck-uppery.

"It's not 1881 it's 1883." (para-quoting)

"It's a year. You've been away a year. Sorry"

I get the feeling that the TARDIS is random generally, but it can "concentrate" when it's an important situation (like materialising around ***** during ****** in Season 1 - Kali filters on).
 
 
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23:19 / 12.05.06
Which leads us into the whole territory of the sexual politics of a ship and its master.
There's probably a case to be made for the captain of a ship being an aplha male figure and the ship being a supposedly subservient and biddable woman. However, this is an idealised relationship which the admiralty (the Time Lords with their - until Doctor Colin - patriarchal society) use to control their microcosm of society as a whole, assuming the dominance of the male. In the case of normal ships they are compicated creatures that live between the men and certain death, so many myths and traditions grow up around them.
The fact is that TARDISes, like any other sentient being, and unlike other spaceships, have their own caprices, desires and goals. Because the captains, who are usually male (pirates, navy captains and Jean-Luc all have their own versions of this) regard the ship as a woman figure, they sometimes shove the otherness of the universe on to the ship, so things that go wrong with their lives on the journey can be blamed on the other (that is, usually, the woman).
I could go on, and I fear I'm not making sense. This is one of those pub conversations, isnt it?
Anyway, one of the reasons I like the new treatment is that RTD has ascribed to the TARDIS a life and personality which were only alluded to before, and which makes the TARDIS a full partner in the relationship. It's different from pretty much any ship in TV SF but Moya from Farscape in that it is a living entity, not just a machine.
What was the question again?
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
00:06 / 13.05.06
Yeah, the "living TARDIS" idea has always been around, but RTD is playing it far more interestingly than it has been as long as I can remember.

What I also wonder is if the events of "The Parting Of The Ways" have had any bearing on the new 'randomness' of the TARDIS. As it imprinted itself upon Rose, did she maybe leave a little of herself in there? Probably not something that'll ever be explored on-screen, but I can envision a dozen possible ideas spinning off from that one that could make for interesting drama.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:13 / 13.05.06
I don't think it's ever been explicitely stated in an episode but the designers did state it as part of the process in one of the first season Doctor Who Confidential that a TARDIS is supposed to have a seperate Time Lord pilot for each of the different sides of the console which, combined with all the alterations and repairs the Doctor has made over the years, renders it's accuracy to within + or - (the needs of the plot). After all, the TARDIS in flight doesn't exist in regular time or space, so shouldn't have been threatened by the missiles at the end of the first season, yet was... so it's all a matter of plot.
 
 
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09:33 / 13.05.06
After all, the TARDIS in flight doesn't exist in regular time or space, so shouldn't have been threatened by the missiles at the end of the first season

ooh, that bugged me. There far too much of the shell in "flight" in this series. I'd forgotten that. Annoying. Now I think about it, the transdimenionality is being quite badly handled. And whatever happened to the Temporal Grace Circuits, eh?
 
 
sleazenation
11:34 / 13.05.06
I think the arguement for the missile scene at the end of season one is two-fold. Firstly, at that particular moment the Tardis was travelling through space, but not time, secondly, and most importantly, it looked really cool...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:17 / 13.05.06
most importantly, it looked really cool...

That is indeed an important point- I'm not really a scientist, but I'd be willing to put money on the majority of the science in Who making absolutely no sense whatsoever. All they need to do is convince us (for 45 minutes at a time, although the poor buggers now have to try to make it stand up in the face of us interwebnet fuckers who pick it to pieces afterwards) that it's at least halfway plausible- or that it looks cool. Story and aesthetic both rank higher than scientific accuracy on my "what makes stuff on telly rock or suck" scale.
 
 
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12:48 / 13.05.06
I'd just love to stick you all in a room with this fella and watch the sparks fly. I'm slowly moving into the "because it looks cool" camp, but my geek heritage is struggling with it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:05 / 13.05.06
WHY did you tell us it was starting at 7 today, BBC? I've rushed home from the pub, and it's five past, and these fuckers are STILL COCKING DANCING!!! Where are my Cybermen?

...unless they're gonna pile on to the dance floor... that'd be cool...
 
 
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17:18 / 13.05.06
It's worth the wait. Promise.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:20 / 13.05.06
I hope you're right, cube... I'm fucking dying here.
 
 
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17:22 / 13.05.06
Me, too. I made a point of not watching it again, as I loved it so much, so I could get that Saturday night feeling going. Graaaghh. Come on!
 
 
Triplets
17:41 / 13.05.06
Wow, how much am I liking Mickey? Pissed as hell and he won't take it any more!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:53 / 13.05.06
Some dodgy stuff in the pre-titles and, oh look, the Cybermen have been created by Davros. However, some lovely Mickey stuff.
 
 
Triplets
18:02 / 13.05.06
Oh no. Rose's new dad's gonna get Cybermanned to death inne. Nice shot of the feet stomping off the truck. Loud and violent. Cyborg bootnasty ahoy!
 
 
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18:11 / 13.05.06
Finally, a proper cliffhanger. Yay!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:12 / 13.05.06
They looked like they'd suck before we saw them clearly, nasty boots. It's awkward that the entire episode is based on the appearance of, and presence in the story of, the Cybermen should be a 40 minute surprise, yet the BBC have very efficiently made it completely obvious that they are in the studio.

Other than that, it wasn't too bad, though I suspect Rose's Dad is in it just because he was popular last season. I was surprised to see that old Nicholas Briggs is back to do the Cyber-voices as I thought they sounded like Roger Lloyd-Pack.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:13 / 13.05.06
Yeah, that was totally worth the wait. (WHADDYA MEAN, ANOTHER FUCKING WEEK???)

Cybermen- cool. Mickey stuff- cool. Mad scientist dude- would be cool if he didn't have such a self-consciously Evil Genius voice. Would you really let that guy even repair your fridge with a voice that sinister?

I'm guessing this Earth's "Rose's mum and dad" reunite next week... but Rose can't tell them why she cares about it. It'll be cheesy as fuck, and I'll cry again.

Top. Must rush- drinking to be done. I'll try to be more coherent later.
 
 
Triplets
18:18 / 13.05.06
Evilman's voice did grate. Iiiaamm aaa villaairrnn. If he didn't though he'd sound like Trigger. Actually, maybe it grated because he didn't sound like Trigger.

Parallel Trigger!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:44 / 13.05.06
Stoats- You may mock the voice but whether it's plumbing or electrics I always try and get an evil repairman in. If I get one of the good ones then the problem is normally back in a week, with the evil dudes it's sorted, you just have to remember that they've normally tied a 10 ton weight to the door handle or electricuted the tap or something. Once you've dealt with that it's not a problem.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:49 / 13.05.06
Am I the only one getting annoyed with the unnecessary obligatory Torchwood references in each episode? Even on a sodding parallel earth! They're supposed to be a cocking supersecret agency yet everyone knows they exist.
 
 
Blake Head
18:49 / 13.05.06
Just a quick question for the proper Whovians out there – has this ever happened before? Meaning… the parallel realities stuff? It’s referenced as being quite common pre apocalyptic time war – but have we ever seen it (or for that matter read it)?

Liked the Mickey stuff. An otherwise odd, strangely structured episode. Want to see where this goes next week obv.

[I thought the showing was late because Gretna were busy losing the cup, but I didn’t think that would affect you English lot.]
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:04 / 13.05.06
The Pertwee story Inferno definitely featured a fascist parallel universe, with a one-eyed brigadier. Pretty nasty place as I recall.
 
 
Evil Scientist
19:11 / 13.05.06
There was a rather good third Doctor story (whose name escapes me) which had the Doctor getting trapped in an alternate England with an eevil version of UNIT (Brigadier with eye-patch no less!). People devolving into scary feral monstrosities in both worlds.

Cybermen as a cautionary metaphor about mobile phones? Mmm, not too sure about that.

Still liked the look of them, badass stomping in unison across the lawn. The sound really gave them a sense of being heavy bastards.

Bit of Mickey backstory was nice.

I'm thinking he'll be staying behind to join the Preachers then.
 
 
Evil Scientist
19:12 / 13.05.06
Cross-posted with Shiny there.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:19 / 13.05.06
Loved the episode by the way. By far my favourite of this series so far, and quite possibly the one I’ve enjoyed the most so far from both series of new who. Didn’t mind at all that the creator of the cybermen was basically Davros, right down to the voice, laugh and mannerisms, indeed I’ve always kind of thought of the Daleks and the Cybermen as being more or less the same thing once one gets past the differences in appearance, so it makes a certain amount of sense to me that their creators would be very similar types. By the way did anyone else notice that Rikky’s mate was wearing a gold chain? It was visible earlier on in the episode, but showed up very clearly right at the end.
 
 
Lama glama
20:53 / 13.05.06
Finally, some semblance of a back-story for Mickey! Everything in this was great, except for Trigger as somebody pointed out above. I couldn't accept him as a serious villain, until I realised he isn't meant to be treated as such. After that, I could just sit back and enjoy his wonderfully OTT performance.

Harper hasn't been resting on his laurels all this time has he? That was some of the sharpest direction that has been seen in the past two seasons, especially the hand-held camera following Tennant and Piper while they were serving.

I wonder how the Doctor will get out of this without being DELETED..
 
 
Triplets
21:26 / 13.05.06
DELETE

Besty bit, the homeless walking into the processing floor, screaming and trying to sanitise it with the Lion Sleeps Tonight. Horrible.

Ahhwwwaaaeeeyyy.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:10 / 13.05.06
By the way did anyone else notice that Rikky’s mate was wearing a gold chain?

I hadn't, but... that's gonna save 'em, isn't it? Well spotted there, sir/madam.

I like Mickey when he's pissed off.

I still think Rose's ("our world") mum would make a better companion (possibly the best EVAH), but if they can keep pissing Mickey off, he'll do pretty good.
 
 
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22:27 / 13.05.06
I'm not sure the gold thing will feature (great spot, though, Trips) as the reason it was a problem before was that it clogged their breathing units. These guys don't seem to bother with that, they're just brains. Perhaps there'll be some other explanation.
I also like the explanation of why the emotions were removed: "It hurts". First time round I thought that was just a pat "emotions hurt, boo hoo" comment, then I realised he meant that they were probably in agonisisng pain and the only way they could function was to have any emotional response to that blocked. Quite chilling, really and better than the "beings of pure logic", in my opinion.
The repetiton of "delete, delete, delete" was a bit jarring, though. We've seen they can kill without compunction or dramatics so the repetition was a bit Earthshocky emotional Cybermenny. My guess (and, yes, it's a guess) is that it's actually a malfunction cleverly disguised as a cheesy threat.
Oh, and "Where's my airship?". That's what we're all asking.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:37 / 13.05.06
Don't knock it, cube- I killed Green Lantern with a gold necklace once. Didn't even have to grind it up or anything. Don't bother looking- he was too ashamed to actually let it go in any of the comics.
 
 
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22:43 / 13.05.06
Actually, having checked the Cybus website, it looks as if they do need oxygen:
"Stamina: Upgraded
Advanced cardio-vascular systems, synthetic oxygenated plasma injection pumps, perpetual power replenishment packs, bio-filtration system".
Shame, I was hoping they'd be vulnerable to kittens in baskets or Anne Geddes photos.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
22:44 / 13.05.06
I wouldn't worry about Kali filters. I love getting to hear about the episodes this way. Your opinions are very very interesting....

I saw the Cybermen on the BBC webpage. They looked awesome.
 
  

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