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Kirk Ultra
21:42 / 19.11.05
Batgirl is getting cancelled!?!?!? God fucking damnit, now I'm back to hating 8C again! Batgirl is one of the coolest characters around right now. If they replace her with the golden age Batwoman I don't know what I'll do. . . Burst into flames from how stupid that'd be I guess.
 
 
Sniv
21:52 / 19.11.05
Am I the only person who is really excited by the whole 'One Year Later...' idea? Yeah, sure it could be seen as a cynical attempt by DC to make it's obsessive-compulsive readers buy a load of comics they don't really need, but I see it as an excuse to tell some really unique and cool stories - shake things up a bit.

Gotham Knights being axed is probably a good thing. I was starting to think they were going to change the title to Hush after how much Leiberman has used him recently. Ruined the book. Batgirl ending is pretty crappy though - I hope this is becasue something big is happening to the character, and not just because of poor sales. I like the idea of her become Nightwing, that would kick serious arse. I wonder what'll happen to Robin as well? from the looks of his title at the moment, he'll be in some crazy super-hero army. God, I hope not, I'm really starting to dislike Willingham's handling of this character at the mo.

That's one good thing about 8C though, all (hopefully) of the dead-end stories and directions many books are taking now will be irrelevant once the leap hits and the characters will be dealing wih what's happening to them now. They say a week is a long time in politics, well a year is a fucking eternity in comics. How long was Tim Drake 15/16? 150 issues, give or take! Think of everthing that will have happened by the time he's 17/18. Coolness.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:47 / 20.11.05
>> but why Gotham Central and why Batgirl? G.C is an Eisner award winner, iirc, and has been pretty consistently praised for its writing,

There are rumors (courtesy of Rich Johnston) that there will be a book called GCPD CONFIDENTIAL or something like that (GOTHAM CONFIDENTIAL?) that might continue in the Gotham Central vein...
 
 
Mario
14:31 / 20.11.05
STREETS OF GOTHAM, as I recall.
 
 
This Sunday
16:00 / 20.11.05
The 'One Year Later' conceit is potentially very cool... but am I the only one who remembers the lost 'six months' of X-Men, when Claremont made his first big return? Claremont, Ellis, and Liefield revisionary time? The inbetween-time actually made some sense for the Ellis books, but I recall never actually figuring out what happened in the two core titles. So, it strongly depends on (a) editorial management and communication, and (b) the strengths and awareness of the writers.

Batgirl could become Batwoman, of course. And Batwoman could return from hypertime Earth-whatever to fight crime beside Batgirl-the-most-recent, her Flamebirdy daughter who might also be a Batgirl, and Oracle who-is-secretly-a-Batgirl-as-well. Why not?
Making 'Batwoman' the weird, excessively cosmic metaphysical comic... at least it shakes up the obsessive desire to keep Batbooks at ground level despite the world they live in and what they've access to.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:30 / 21.11.05
Random thoughts:

1) The Daily Planet had a front page about the first Crisis (in the scene where Clark looks through the hallway of blown-up front page posters at the Planet offices)? I thought most regular people/the general public didn't remember it happened. Or maybe they just knew the heroes averted a big potentially world-ending disaster as usual, and maybe Lois took a picture of the Anti-Monitor and wrote a little blurb about it for the paper after it happened: "The human race should know that the heroes saved us from total annhilation. Again. But we can't talk much about it because pretty much no non-superheroes remember it, and you regular people certainly won't remember it. Except maybe, do some of you remember when the skies were all red and apocalyptic for about a week? That was it. So just take my word for it, it sure was something to see. Oh, and here's a picture Superman let me take of this big scary guy they called the Anti-Monitor, I kind of vaguely remember he was behind it all. Just know that everything's cool now and we're all okay."

2) It's a cute bit where Ye Olde Superman says 'we were polite enough to let that go [the fact that they called his 1940s JSA world "Earth-2"],' considering his world came first.

3) Phil Jimenez gave Earth-2 Jor-El an earring! (in the montage of Kara/PG getting back her Earth-2 memories) Funny.

3) I wonder why, if Ye Olde Supes and Old Lois are PG's surrogate parents, why they don't ask why PG is now sporting a huge hole in her costume where her cleavage is, given that previous versions of her costume were a more subdued V-neck or a hole around her collarbone and not actually ON her breasts. No parental feelings of protection there? "Kara, we're not letting you walk out of this house wearing THAT!!!"

4) Yet another acronym for OMAC at the end .... "Omni Mind and Community." Weird and kind of awkward the way Brother Eye says "Eye will do this, Eye will do that" instead of "I"...I get that it's sentient but not quite enough to use the term "I", just sounds weird...
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:29 / 21.11.05
3) I wonder why, if Ye Olde Supes and Old Lois are PG's surrogate parents, why they don't ask why PG is now sporting a huge hole in her costume where her cleavage is, given that previous versions of her costume were a more subdued V-neck or a hole around her collarbone and not actually ON her breasts.

I will fully admit to being an authority on this. Wally Wood wanted you to see the clevege.

First appearance:



They removed the 'hole' in one issue and... personally I thought it looked even sexier... at least when Wally drew them.... er, her.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:42 / 21.11.05
Yeah, I remember the hole being there in the past, but nowadays it's like her breasts have gotten about 2 or 3 times bigger and the oval is a bit bigger and is now directly ON TOP of the cleavage, as opposed to just above the cleavage.

But whatever...it does sound ludricrous for me to be discussing the particulars of the placement of the oval on her costume, I admit...I just like the idea of Ye Olde Superman and Old Lois saying "Don't you dare walk away from me, young lady! As soon as we've gotten things straightened out and restored Earth-2 to being the primary world & we've gotten rid of this dark, corrupt, lascivious Earth that you've been saddled with - and I might add that your current costume is just another example of this tawdry, dark, corrupt world - we'll knit you up a nice new costume that's a bit more ladylike, or you're GROUNDED for a month!"
 
 
Mario
17:04 / 21.11.05
I'm told Wally Wood drew PG's breasts larger every issue, trying to see how much he could get away with. Apparently he left the book before anyone told him to tone them down

And here's a question for you. Given that "I" and "Eye" are homophones...what's the point of Brother Eye's funky dialogue?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:36 / 21.11.05
To rip off the early postboot Legion's characterization of the Emerald Eye and those it possessed? It did the very same thing.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
20:43 / 21.11.05
Jesus, there's been like seven or eight posts since the original comment about the Eye/I thing and nobody's mentioned Prince yet? You all ought to be ashamed.

A darker force is behind this, indeed. A purple force.
 
 
matsya
20:53 / 21.11.05
Except that Prince didn't replace his Is with Eye, he replaced them with a HEIROGLYPHIC of an ACTUAL eye.

"[eye] am going 2 wipe the heroes from the face of the planet 4ever 2 make every1 safe 2 b the way they were meant 2 b"

or is that a clue to Brother Eye's final sacrifice?

"[eye] would die 4u?"
 
 
Spaniel
07:44 / 22.11.05
I think this thread needs to find its topic.
 
 
Benny the Ball
11:24 / 22.11.05
Okay, I'm really enjoying this. Not sure how much I'm missing from not reading the surrounding tie-ins (the mini's I read, but none of the other books with the Crisis logo on the cover) but I'm really liking this. It seems that Batman has been set up as some huge focus of all the negativity that Superman seems to think needs correcting - also what was with the image of the Bruce Wayne gravestone, what does that relate to? - and is collapsing further and further into darkness.
 
 
Triplets
13:58 / 22.11.05
Weird and kind of awkward the way Brother Eye says "Eye will do this, Eye will do that" instead of "I".

It's just a more annoying version of "BEHOLD! NONE CAN RESIST A MEAL FROM THE KITCHEN OF DOOM!"
 
 
A
14:37 / 22.11.05
3) Phil Jimenez gave Earth-2 Jor-El an earring! (in the montage of Kara/PG getting back her Earth-2 memories) Funny.

...and no doubt some internet fanboys are discussing whether it was in his right or left ear and what this means even as we speak...
 
 
FinderWolf
21:11 / 24.11.05
Saw this on another message board; copied from Millarworld. The info. is all from this weeks' Wizard in an article on 8C.

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One Year Later, the DCU in 2006

One of these characters...

... will give birth in '06: Wonder Woman, Power Girl, Catwoman or Oracle

...will be stripped of their powers: Superman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Green Lantern (Hal)

...will become the mayor of a crime-riddled city: Wally West, Dick Grayson, Bruce Wayne, Oliver Queen

...will have amnesia and be unable to tell friend from foe: MM, Aquaman, Atom, Elongated Man

...will take the mantle of the most powerful hero in the DCU: Booster Gold, Animal Man, Kyle Rayner, Earth-2 Superman

...will become a criminal: Hal Jordan, Superman, Flash, Captain Marvel

...WILL BE THE ONLY ONE AROUND AFTER "INFINITE CRISIS": Wally West, Superboy (Connor), Guy Gardner, Nightwing

One of these teams won't survive Infinite Crisis: JLA, JLA, JLA, JLA

...will become the military's secret weapon: Cyborg, Wonder Woman, Red Tornado, John Stewart

...will destroy an entire country and kill millions: Braniac, Sinestro, Black Adam, Vandal Savage

February - Infinite Crisis Secret Files by Marv Wolfman

March - 8-issue story by James Robinson, running through Batman and Detective Comics

- New ongoing Blue Beetle series (NOT TED KORD) by Giffen & John Rogers with art by Cully Hamner
- Ivan Reis, new ongoing artist on GL
- Simonson/Chaykin on Hawkgirl (formerly Hawkman)
- Johns/Busiek on eight-issue Superman/Action Comics x-over
- Rucka on Supergirl
- Terry Dodson on new WW book, no writer named

April - Checkmate book by Rucka and Saiz
- Ron Marz on Kyle Rayner Ion book
- Willingham on Shadowpack ongoing
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speculate away, good people of Barbelith.
 
 
Spaniel
21:28 / 24.11.05
I thought Morrison was going to be writing Batman or 'Tec. Is there actually any evidence that he's involved with either book?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
21:35 / 24.11.05
The Daily Planet had a front page about the first Crisis (in the scene where Clark looks through the hallway of blown-up front page posters at the Planet offices)? I thought most regular people/the general public didn't remember it happened.

In current continuity, the Anti-Monitor attacked the Earth and moved it into the Qward Universe...the heroes were able to defeat him (but they've never told the story), so that we still had the red skies and such, but none of the "Worlds will die" stuff.

The original way it was told was that the heroes who were there when the universe was "re-created" remembered what happened, but within a year, they had gotten rid of that and kept it that only Psycho Pirate remembered the original Crisis, and had been driven crazy by it.

Then, Grant Morrison started messing with it in Animal Man. The bastage.
 
 
SiliconDream
04:42 / 25.11.05
To rip off the early postboot Legion's characterization of the Emerald Eye and those it possessed? It did the very same thing.

Which was in turn a ripoff of the Eye-possessed Bek couple's language in L.E.G.I.O.N., incidentally. I think that was the first incidence of it in any iteration of the Legionverse. [/threadrot]
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
06:13 / 25.11.05
Okay, for what it's worth, my estimations based on the info in FinderWolf's post:

... will give birth in '06: Wonder Woman, Power Girl, Catwoman or Oracle

Catwoman, betcha they name the baby 'Helena' too, as in the silver-age Earth 2 Huntress, which means Earth-1 Huntress might buy the farm.

...will be stripped of their powers: Superman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Green Lantern (Hal)

Wonder Woman, karmic retribution for killing Max Lord.

...will become the mayor of a crime-riddled city: Wally West, Dick Grayson, Bruce Wayne, Oliver Queen

'Crime riddled city' makes me think Gotham, which means either Bruce or Dick, but my gut says it'll be Ollie.

...will have amnesia and be unable to tell friend from foe: MM, Aquaman, Atom, Elongated Man

hmm... not willing to hazard a guess on this one.

...will take the mantle of the most powerful hero in the DCU: Booster Gold, Animal Man, Kyle Rayner, Earth-2 Superman

Booster Gold. The most powerful hero? Blue Beetle.

...will become a criminal: Hal Jordan, Superman, Flash, Captain Marvel

Flash, but 'criminal' is a pretty loose definition.

...WILL BE THE ONLY ONE AROUND AFTER "INFINITE CRISIS": Wally West, Superboy (Connor), Guy Gardner, Nightwing

Wally West, though I imagine Kid Flash will stay.

One of these teams won't survive Infinite Crisis: JLA, JLA, JLA, JLA

Denver Broncos.

...will become the military's secret weapon: Cyborg, Wonder Woman, Red Tornado, John Stewart

Cyborg- John Stewart's name is on the list as a red herring, Wonder Woman, imho, will either die or be depowered, Red Tornado too minor a character to have an impact.

...will destroy an entire country and kill millions: Braniac, Sinestro, Black Adam, Vandal Savage

Vandal Savage, and the country will be Black Adam's, in a ploy to turn Adam against the Society.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
10:41 / 25.11.05
My money is on Martian Manhunter as the amneasic.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
11:26 / 25.11.05
Errata from that Millarworld thread clarifies:

...will take the mantle of the most powerful hero in the DCU...

as

...will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU....
 
 
Sniv
12:46 / 25.11.05
Crikey, some of those teases are sphincter looseningly excitng.

I'm thinking that the 'most powerful' hero will be Animal Man. This guy knows that the DCU is a fictional reality, and can (or could) manipulate this reality. Now, if that doesn't make him really fucking powerful, I don't know what does. This is especially relevant seeing as how DC is using him more in 8C than they have in the past 10 years of DCU stories. I thought what one poster upthread remarked on - a new pantheon of DCU 'gods' would fit Buddy perfectly, as he does have God-like powers.

Still, if Kal-L becomes the most powerful, could that make 'our' Supes the Villain?

At the mo I'm reading the entire prelude to 8C (courtesy of Bittorrent) and it's wicked, head-spinning crazyness, and I'm really looking forward to the outcome next year. Great, cheesy, fantastical superhero comics.

Reading this kind of stuff makes me want to buy lots of really old comics, just so I can understand the pre-crisis universe better. As a relatively young person, I'm only familiar with the post-crisis pre-crisis stories (lol, if y'know what I mean).
 
 
FinderWolf
13:00 / 25.11.05
>> Catwoman, betcha they name the baby 'Helena' too,

It seems that most comic fans on the net all agree on this one - everyone think's we're due for Selina having a baby named Helena.

Most comic fans also seem to agree that Ollie will be the mayor (Ollie meets Ex Machina?), even though everyone points out that Earth-2 Bruce Wayne was mayor of Gotham for a time, back in the day.

Many think Supergirl (to be written by Greg Rucka by the way, which has been confirmed in another article somewhere in Wizard) will be the one to be depowered.

Also confirmed is that Kyle Rayner will again become Ion - who most likely peg as the 'most powerful hero in the DCU' mentioned here. Although some think that Earth-2 Supes/Ye Olde Superman might fit the 'most powerful' bill here if he takes over (temporarily of course) for the Regular DCU Supes.

As for the amnesiac? Probably Aquaman or Martian Manhunter... (if it's Aquaman it'll be because they can't think of what to do with him *coughSubDiego** *cough)
 
 
FinderWolf
13:03 / 25.11.05
>> Flash, but 'criminal' is a pretty loose definition.

Yes, I highly doubt any of our major DCU heroes will become a TRUE 'criminal.'

Some think Braniac is due to kill lots of people, since he hasn't done much in the regular DCU in the past few years...
 
 
Mario
13:30 / 25.11.05
I'm down with the "Catwoman gives birth to Helena" idea, and find it interesting that this is paired with a possible "Bruce Wayne as mayor" idea. Could they be weaving past Earth-2 continuity into the DCU?
 
 
Silver
16:15 / 25.11.05
I seem to recall a storyline running through the "Green Arrow" series in World's Finest that involved Ollie running for mayor of Star City. Don't think he won.

Does anyone else remember this? Could this mean Ollie's name is a red herring?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:52 / 25.11.05
More evidence for Kule as Ion as 'most powerful': Kyle's Back: Ion to Get His Own DC Series Post IC
 
 
FinderWolf
14:07 / 26.11.05
More from DiDio on OYL/post-8C changes from Newsarama:

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[Updated] DAN DIDIO ON EVEN MORE DC CHANGES

This week’s edition of Wizard Magazine provided some additions to the ever-growing pool of info regarding the make-up of the DC Universe and its “One Year Later”/post-Infinite Crisis line-up of titles.

While the DC offices were of course closed Thursday and Friday, Newsarama managed to track down DC’s Dan DiDio on our special 24-hour hotline for five minutes of his time and a few brief comments on some of the new information.

Each title includes the information revealed to this date followed by DiDio’s comments…



Keith Giffen, John Rogers, and Cully Hamner new Blue Beetle ongoing: “Keith Giffen and screenwriter, John Rogers, are all set to take on a new Blue Beetle monthly starting next spring, and Cully Hamner’s new look for the character is quite amazing. But before the series starts, the scarab pops up in Infinite Crisis #3.


Bill Willingham Shadowpact ongoing series: “Bill Willingham will be both writer and artist on this series, as the Shadowpact spins out from Infinite Crisis: Day of Vengeance Special. Bill has been looking for the right project to pencil and I’m glad he picked this one for his return. As for Justiniano, stay tuned, big plans to be soon announced.”


Geoff Johns & Kurt Busiek on Superman/Action Comics crossover, and a James Robinson written storyline crossing-over Detective Comics and Batman: “We have planned stories to help re-establish Superman and Batman in the post-Crisis DC Universe. What follows each of these arcs? Let’s save that for another day.”


Greg Rucka on Supergirl: “Greg Rucka joins Ian Churchill on Supergirl, ‘One Year Later’. What can I say, Greg loves strong women.


Rucka and Jesus Saiz on Checkmate series: “What can I say, Greg loves board games. This series spins directly out of, surprise, surprise, Infinite Crisis: OMAC Project Special and Jesus Saiz did a wonderful job designing the new Checkmate. Look for a lot of familiar faces, meta and non-meta, to fill the chessboard.


New Wonder Woman series illustrated by Terry Dodson: “More announcements shortly on follow ups to some recently cancelled series.”


Ron Marz & Greg Tocchini Ion series: Ron did such a great job filling you in, you don’t need me here.


Anything new that you can add Dan??: “Two members of the extended Bat-family are seeing some changes as well. Bruce Jones steps in as writer of Nightwing while Adam Beechen and Karl Kerschl take on Robin. As for who is in the costumes … that’s still open for discussion…

“Whew … glad you didn’t ask me anything about Aquaman.”

Update 11/28: Newsarama received an email from Dan Didio Friday evening and he wanted to pass along the following...

"Must have been a little sleepy from all the turkey I ate, forgot a few important pieces of information...

"Spinning out from Infinite Crisis: Villains United Special, there will be new secrets and a new six in the Gail Simone/Brad Walker Secret Six mini-series.

"Not sure how things can change One Year Later when the stories are taking place thousands of years in the future, but the future is about to get more exciting in the newly titled Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes. And no, that is not a typo, wide awake now.

"Lastly, since you asked so nicely, Aquaman becomes Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis with issue #40. But I think that might raise more questions than answers.

"Now back to our regularly scheduled days off."
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FinderWolf
14:08 / 26.11.05
no mention of the Morrison-written Detective Comics, but presumably that would happen after the James Robinson arc mentioned above...?
 
 
Mario
14:51 / 26.11.05
I find it particularly amusing that the Aquaman stuff was added after Rich Johnston mentioned he'd reveal it in Monday's LITG.

I have to admit that the Aquaman tidbit intrigues me. And Secret Six is the one title I was hoping for (don't know the artist, tho...what has he done?)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:56 / 26.11.05
...will become the mayor of a crime-riddled city: Wally West, Dick Grayson, Bruce Wayne, Oliver Queen

Groan. Hello, EX MACHINA RIP OFF.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:59 / 26.11.05
Well, if Power Girl were to be the one to give birth you could add HELLO ZERO HOUR RIPOFF too.
 
 
This Sunday
18:23 / 26.11.05
It's not as thought 'Ex Machina' is the only time there's been the notion of a superpowered mayor in comics, though, innit? Even Sam 'The Falcon' Wilson got to be mayor in Priest's 'Black Panther' at one point. It was in the future, but, still... Hell, DP7 had a supervillain for U.S. Pres. long before Luthor stepped into the position, but I certainly didn't see that was a retread/steal.
Some ideas are just ideas. If the series plays exactly like, then, yeah, there's room to be pissed and pissy, but so far mayor + powers = lots of possibilities, one of which is covered by another series.

Re: Powergirl... Whatever happened to the first kid? First casualty of the new Zero Hour timeline? Turned zombie and had to be put down off-panel? Adopted out?
There's a new rule for the DCU, while they're all busy bashing Wonder Woman for killing: If you lose your first kid pretty much right after they're born, and you cannot give a somewhat reasonable explanation of where the anklebiter might've got to... no more kids for you.
 
  

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