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Simplist
16:51 / 04.05.06
I was one of the twenty people actually reading the short-lived Breach series, and I really hated to see it go. OTOH, I guess we know how Captain Atom makes it back from the Wildstorm U now, which is dreadfully amusing, as he's rescued from being lost in the multiverse in one series (CA:Armageddon) by events in another series (IC) which is predicated on there not being a multiverse anymore...
 
 
Aertho
17:23 / 04.05.06
Kinda off-topic.

Didn't both Enginehead and Breach come out with a few other non-traditional, but mainstream DCU books in recent years? I seem to remember one with a superpowered kid? A female hero?

Did you get any of these, Simplist?
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:58 / 04.05.06
Also off topic...

considering the differences in the wildstorm Capt. Atom's uniform vs. the DCU uniform. Might the Wildstorm Sapt.Atom have quantum jumped from his explosion in Kingdom Come?

While the current DCU Capt. Atom might have exploded in Superman/Batman, come back as Breach then been killed and returned as the DCU Capt. Atom?

The Villian Society battle seemed rather weak to me. Raw penciled background colored red? That whole scene read as a great big jumble.

Capt. Marvel's new Status was established in the DAZE of VENGENCE 8C special.
 
 
This Sunday
20:41 / 04.05.06
Those red-background pages were my fave bit in the issue, actually.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:22 / 04.05.06
bank holiday = all shops over here being one day behind on their deliveries = not knowing what happens in the last issue just yet.
 
 
Simplist
22:10 / 04.05.06
Didn't both Enginehead and Breach come out with a few other non-traditional, but mainstream DCU books in recent years? I seem to remember one with a superpowered kid? A female hero?

I missed Enginehead, don't recall the others, unless you mean those somewhat cool but short-lived books that were all similiarly and unusually colored (Kinetic, Hard Time, etc.).
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
22:26 / 04.05.06
I really enjoyed this, but I have a few questions that I'm hoping Mario or one of the other human wikis here might be able to answer:
(slightly spoilerish, I guess)
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1) Is that Frankenstein getting slammed into the pavement by General "Shaggy" Eiling after Alex shoots Nightwing?

2) What's that the two boys find washed up on the beach (looks like a green lantern and a staff)?

3) Why a junior red-sun eater instead of a junior red sun? Wouldn't a red-sun eater absorb red solar radiation, when what you'd want to do is emit red solar radiation at Superboy-Prime?
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
23:08 / 04.05.06
Well, I'm a long way from a human wiki (or, indeed, a regular poster around here), but I think I can help...

1) It certainly looks that way, although the colouring is a little bit off, so it's hard to tell. I'd be inclined to say "yes" though, based on a lack of alternatives I can think of.

2) That was the staff which belonged to the Tangent Green Lantern. Tangent was a short-lived DC imprint, from the late '90s, originally created (I think) by Dan Jurgens. Essentially, it was an Elseworlds-type out-of-continuity series, consisting of a load of single issues featuring various alternate versions of DCU characters. Earth-97, introduced earlier in 8C, was retrospectively revealed as the world where the books take place.

3) I have no idea. Someone else can hopefully answer that one.
 
 
Aertho
23:11 / 04.05.06
(Kinetic, Hard Time, etc.)

YES

thanks!
 
 
Mario
23:43 / 04.05.06
Maybe it's supposed to be a "red sun-eater", ie, one that absorbs all solar energy but that of a red sun?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
00:24 / 05.05.06
Eiling! Good call!
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
02:15 / 05.05.06
Yes, I have a real soft spot for Eiling (from the same JLA arc that brought us the Ultramarines, which is why I loved seeing Frankenstein tussling with him). I know that Doomsday beat up Booster Gold and Blue Beetle and Maxima and killed Superman for a little while, but for my money, indestructible, superstrong body + sociopathic mind of brilliant US Army general/tactician = really, really scary bad guy

Thanks for the answers, Are Being Stolen By Bandits and Mario!
 
 
smurph
04:27 / 05.05.06
Re: the last double page splash: I was thinking the green clothed woman in the top row, third from the left, might be Enchantress, now of the ShadowPact, mistakenly drawn with a hood.

The design for Batwoman triggered memories of an old action figure.
 
 
Mario
10:44 / 05.05.06
Yeah, the fan zeitgeist is saying the two unknowns are Enchantress and a miscolored Dr. Mid-Nite.
 
 
sn00p
17:54 / 05.05.06
I don't get it.

Why are they all going away for a year?
What happened to Supermans powers?

Are the only continuity changes batman is less misrable and wonderwoman starting the JLA.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
18:08 / 05.05.06
I think Superman was temporarily depowered by massive red sun exposure, with the idea being that it'll take him a year to soak up enough yellow sun for full powers again. But that was all clumsily communicated. As for Batman's departure, the motivation was so poorly presented that all you can really say is that he's leaving because the editors thought it would be cool.
 
 
garyancheta
19:59 / 05.05.06
I think it's well explained, if you read it as a whole. Wonder Woman leaves because her Amazon sisters are gone. Batman leaves because he wants to rediscover his roots with the two boys (moreso, I think, with Dick Grayson than anyone else). The two boys comment makes sense, in the context of how Superman 2 teased him about the Dick Grayson of his world and the Batman that existed on E2. I think it also makes sense when you take into account the crazy ass OMAC stuff that made him break down.


More to the point, I think this series is interesting if you parallel it to Lord of the Rings. Both series were picaresque, both dealt with geography and mapping, both dealt with plotting people in certain places, both dealt with corruption of the good and the restraint of some over others...

Let's face it, this was the DC version of Lord of the Rings, moreso than the original Crisis, which is more about stakes and reshuffling. Crisis just had heroes against villains, whereas Infinite Crisis is all about heroes working towards being good and noble people.

- G
 
 
Mario
20:22 / 05.05.06
I think the key to Infinite Crisis is the question:

"What does it mean to be a hero?"

After all is said and done, the Big Three need to relearn the answer.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:24 / 05.05.06
I think the key question is "What does it mean to be a hack?", and we have been given a very inspiring two word answer.

Say the name.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
00:53 / 06.05.06
Geoff Johns can fix it. Ahem.

Alex is talking about how the earth's history has changed, and reports of Superman doing some deeds years before hitting Metropolis. Does this open up some Smallville/Superboy stuff retcon?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
01:38 / 06.05.06
It would make room for Waid and Yu's Birthright as well as some Smallville action. Batman once again fights crime, not out of some Punisher-esque displacement for the Crime He Can Never Solve but does it because he's the friggin' Batman. And Wonder woman she... ahhh hell, no one really has any fucking clue what to do with WW do they? At least now she's more in line with the Justice League Unlimited version.

Of all of the character arcs in IC, WW's was by far the weakest. Which made her convincing Bruce not to shoot Alex really an empty gesture.
 
 
Triplets
02:10 / 06.05.06
Bruce. BRUCE. BRRUUUCCCEEE.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
03:09 / 06.05.06
Yes.
It was especially empty because Batman pulled the bloody trigger, making the gun go 'CHAKK!', which my Gun-to-English dictionary says means 'I would like to fire, but am out of bullets'. Bats didn't shoot 'cos he couldn't, not becuase he wouldn't.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
03:11 / 06.05.06
Oh, and when Joker turned up, I joygasmed. That was hella sweet.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
03:23 / 06.05.06
It was especially empty because Batman pulled the bloody trigger, making the gun go 'CHAKK!'
I disliked the scene too, but I think the CHAKK, was Batman cocking back the hammer. Doesn't Batman do this every few years and he just waits around until someone stops him?
 
 
Mario
11:18 / 06.05.06
CHAKK! is almost certainly the hammer being cocked. Empty guns usually go CLICK!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:22 / 06.05.06
I think the key question is "What does it mean to be a hack?", and we have been given a very inspiring two word answer.

Say the name.


GEOFF JOHNS!

God, that really was awful. Possibly with some interesting consequnces, but a shitty, shitty piece of writing and plotting.
 
 
FinderWolf
03:22 / 08.05.06
I notice that some listings for the new Uncle Sam & The Freedom Fighters upcoming mini (same characters currently featured in the Battle for Bludhaven miniseries) drawn by usually only-cover-artist Daniel Acuna say "Based on concepts created by Grant Morrison." Now, is this to indicate that they're saying that because Grant created the organization SHADE who they end up working up, or because Grant created most of the new Freedom Fighters? Or will we NEVER KNOW??
 
 
Mario
11:59 / 08.05.06
As I understand it, Grant created a trainload of new concepts, not all of which ended up in Seven Soldiers. It's likely some of them are in Freedom Fighters.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:36 / 25.03.07
I have to say, having got the IC trade for the library and reading it over the last couple of days I enjoyed it. I think it was aimed for people like me, incredibly attractive and clever, who have some fair idea who is who in the DCU, who read the original CoIE but who haven't read any DCU stuff recently. I was a little bummed out that they brought back Alex, Earth 2 Supes, Lois and Superboy but I thought that after that it all worked quite well. I could see Alex coming to the decision that they'd saved the wrong world but I couldn't believe that he'd be manipulating the villains, I also don't buy Superboy Prime going crazymentalevil and think he should have been killed by the end of the story, the way he ends up I just have absolutely no interest in reading any story he's in ever again.

But no, otherwise it was a fun read. I just wonder how many of the changes will still be around in two or three years time.
 
 
PatrickMM
01:01 / 18.10.07
I too got the 8C trade from the library and really enjoyed it. There's a lot of issues with the series, and the conclusion doesn't quite match up to the huge, well executed, buildup we had early in the series, but it still hits that part of me that just loves an unbelievably huge superhero series. I think it's a worthy sequel to Crisis, even if the characterization of Luthor and Superboy doesn't quite match with our last visits with them.

However, I'm surprised that nobody earlier pointed out what jumped out at me during the Superboy rampage chapter, the fact that Superboy Prime is George W. Bush. Struggling to live up to his 'father''s legacy, he constantly talks about how disgusted he is with the corrupt, morally depraved world his successors have left them with. Does Monica's jizz stained dress not stand alongside the Batman mindwipe or the Sue Dibny killing?

And, despite harping on about how moral he is, it's all done while tearing people apart, literally in Superboy's case. That's how I imagine George Bush in Iraq, killing all these people and wondering why they don't like the freedom he's bringing. This of course leaves Alex Luthor as Dick Cheney, the power behind the throne, secretly working to reshape the world to his image of perfection.

And, earlier in the thread there was talk about how this book was pushing far away from a mainstream audience. I think that's certainly true, but at the same time, as a kid, I would have absolutely loved this book. The huge stakes, massive violence and overall dark tone were all things I loved. Contrary to what adults want to think, a lot of kids, the ones who are most likely to read comics at least, love dark stories. Or at least I did, Empire Strikes Back was always my favorite Star Wars, and this hits that same place. Yeah, they'll have no clue what's going on, but I think kids will dig this more than Teen Titans Go or Cartoon Adventures or whatever books are actually targetted at them. It's just the parents that will have the issues.
 
 
Triplets
10:07 / 18.10.07
That's how I imagine George Bush in Iraq, killing all these people

With his rifle, yes? His rifle and his tank?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:20 / 18.10.07
Does Monica's jizz stained dress not stand alongside the Batman mindwipe or the Sue Dibny killing?

No.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:09 / 18.10.07
With his rifle, yes? His rifle and his tank?

Metaphorically, with that mix of righteous indignation and extreme violence. Don't tell me our society is so schizophrenic it's forgotten how to process metaphor.
 
  

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