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Infinite Crisis

 
  

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Aertho
20:51 / 08.01.06
Bah! I guess its time for yet another edgy teenager to be given superpowers in an alleyway...

kowalski is the new Gay Beetle?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:43 / 08.01.06
As for Aquaman... he won't be a Smallville type, he'll be a Prince Valiant type.

That's better, then. Also, forgot to mention Outsiders. Completely forgettable battle between Starfire and her sister. Although it seems to tie into Rann Thanagar a bit more than I initially realized. Probably be a bit more significant once I go through a new reread following this roadmap (start with post #350 for the latest iteration). But it ends right when IC #2 starts and they show up. Or something. Matthew Clark's art is, at least, quite decent. I need to learn more about Starfire's heritage.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:01 / 08.01.06
I should point out for the sake of DCU fun that in the latest Birds of Prey issue, Babs officially reveals to her Dad that she's Oracle and was Batgirl. (as many stories have previously hinted, he knew about Batgirl but didn't know she was Oracle; he had a few suspicions though about what she was doing with her life recently...) One of the reasons she told him is that the Calculator is now after her and threatening her family & friends.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:06 / 08.01.06
Clearly, the best way to find a new host for Dr. Fate is to randomly throw the helmet somewhere... so someone can find it in an alley.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:08 / 08.01.06
And yeah, the new Aquaman artist is really good - someone's doing layouts and the really good artist is doing an incredible job doing detailed finishes.
 
 
Mario
23:15 / 08.01.06
We've only seen the one Aquaman cover, but it looks promising.

 
 
X-Himy
01:30 / 09.01.06
How much good does swinging a sword do against the resistance of the water? Even if the swinger is extra strong.
 
 
Mario
01:52 / 09.01.06
Someone actually asked Kurt about that. His response:

"It slows down punches and kicks even more, since they have more surface to meet resistance, but Aquaman's been having underwater fights since 1941 without difficulty. The undersea races, apparently, are strong enough to overcome the resistance. "

In any case, that's a thrusting weapon, no?
 
 
doyoufeelloved
16:09 / 09.01.06
Nobody's made the "finding a thrusting weapon in an alley" joke yet?

Leonard Kirk's been around forever, Benjamin (he worked on PAD's SUPERGIRL, for example); his art just looks completely different with Andy Clarke doing those (awesome) finishes. I do love that art team a whole bunch -- AQUAMAN really is a very solid book at the moment.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:38 / 09.01.06
I should clarify that the art team I was complimenting above was the current team on Aquaman; I wasn't talking about Butch Guice's upcoming new run.

And Leonard Kirk is only providing breakdowns/layouts on the current run, there's some other guy who's doing detailed finishes, and that guy is the one deserving of compliments on the Aquaman monthly, IMHO. Kirk is great too; but his full pencils look radically different than the guy who's finishing Kirk's [apparently very sparse] layouts, since the finished pages don't really bear any of the Leonard Kirk look at all.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:42 / 09.01.06
Andy Clarke, yah - thanks for filling in the name there.
 
 
Simplist
20:04 / 09.01.06
I doubt mindwiping is Alex's plan. Based on some details, I think he may not be trying to bring back not the multiverse, but replace Earth-1 with Earth-3 as the primary template.

Note that there are three slots left, but FOUR Earths unaccounted for: Earth-2 (Kal-L or Kara) Earth-4 (Nightshade) Earth-Prime (SBP)...and Earth-3.


Little spotty on DCU history here -- was Earth-3 the antimatter counterpart of Earth-2, the way the CSA Earth is of Earth 1? If so, the Earth-2 spot on the machine should also cover Earth-3, right?

Also, after skimming back over the One Year Later solicitations I'm rethinking the mindwipe angle. Green Arrow kicks off with Oliver as Mayor of Star City, returning to adventuring after not having been Green Arrow for a year, while the Bat-titles feature Batman and Robin returning to Gotham after a year's absence. Could it be that all the DCU heroes (and villians?) other than the 52 team are made to forget their powers/codenames/etc. for that year, leaving Alex to implement his schemes without interference? I still think there's more to it than that, but the mindwipe could be a big component.
 
 
Mario
20:45 / 09.01.06
Earth-3 was the pre-Crisis CSA Earth. Before Crisis, the CSA wasn't from the same place as Qward.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:02 / 09.01.06
If they really are making a sequel to Crisis, they beter bring Anti-Monitor back. And reboot all chronology at the end, as they should have done 20+ years ago...
 
 
Mario
00:25 / 10.01.06
Funny you should mention him....
 
 
Aertho
00:31 / 10.01.06
Was there to be a punchline, Mario?
 
 
Mario
09:31 / 10.01.06
Well, his corpse/armor is in 8C #3. And it has been suggested that his mind resides in one character or another (Alex being the #1 possibility, but I've also heard people claim Lois-2)
 
 
MrKismet
15:17 / 10.01.06
What the heck ever happened to Resurrection Man and Inferno? Written out of continuity, or just forgotten or ignored (no loss with the latter)?
 
 
Mario
16:30 / 10.01.06
Off in character limbo, I guess.

Resurrection Man disappeared after his title. Inferno last appeared in an issue of Teen Titans, I think.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:43 / 10.01.06
Last time I heard of Ressurection Man was in Grant Morrison's DC 1 Million (he kicked Vandal Savage`s ass in the year 85.000+). Am I right? It`s been a while
 
 
Mario
20:46 / 10.01.06
I think so. His last appearance was in a 1M 80-page Special
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
20:13 / 11.01.06
Oh dear lord.

You know it's a bad week Infinite Crisis Land when Hawkman just might end up being its best book. More later if I can manage to crawl out of the depths of Fill-In-Writery. Is it One Year Later yet?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:36 / 11.01.06
I just read 3 pages of this thread and realize that when the trades hit I will need to catch up then, whether I want to or not...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:27 / 18.01.06
Holy Fucking Crazy Pile Of Shit.

I'll get to the crossovers later but let us look at how Infinite Crisis #4 will be straight melting your brain this week, shall we?

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So, where do we start? The VU dropping an atomic dullard on Bludhaven killing millions? Kal-L explaining Batman's dialogue to everyone so they can please now shut up about it? Superboy Prime literally tearing apart several Teen Titans after the best reveal of the calvary say ever? Barry Allen, Max, and a bunch of other dudes climbing out of the Speed Force to take care of Superboy? Wally's wife refusing to let him disappear COIE style without her and their twin children? (Oh, trust me, you will tear the fuck up, folks.) Alex Luthor laying it all out, the past two years of DCU Continuity basically, monologue style to Power Girl?

And to top it off, a little dead cop in Gotham named Cris Allen ends up with the mantle of the Spectre.

Vengeance is coming, Corrigan, you vicious piece of shit. Pull your pants on.
 
 
Aertho
14:36 / 18.01.06
This week, Benjamin does a quick recap of 7S:MM3, A*S2, and 8C4. I'm sick that 8C4 is the one I want to read most.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:44 / 18.01.06
Dude, it's actually the best of the three, no lie. Beating out ASS by the slightest of margins, just because it's so damn monumental.
 
 
Aertho
16:31 / 18.01.06
Okay. So we've got Spectre under stitches crying about redemption from an Almighty Lord. Is it PC Hell of me to hate that? The Spectre's character has always been strange to me, in that it seemingly prioritizes the Xtian Almighty in an acceptably pantheistic superuniverse... S'like if Jesus showed up to clean the House of M.

Awesome fight between Superboy Prime and the Titans/JSA.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
17:17 / 18.01.06
Is it PC Hell of me to hate that? The Spectre's character has always been strange to me, in that it seemingly prioritizes the Xtian Almighty in an acceptably pantheistic superuniverse

I don't really see the prioritization; the very fact that the Spectre always seems to get his ass kicked indicates to me that his power source is just one of the many that are constantly ripping the DCU a new one. Sure, the Spectre's is overtly Judeo-Christian, but at the end of the day, it adds up to one more superhero in a superhero universe -- there's no real indication that the Spectre's God is El Supremo Numero Uno.
 
 
Aertho
17:23 / 18.01.06
But Spectre has always been a bit more SUPER than even Superman. He's not a superhero.

S'like Mister Miracle as a superhero. He's a mythic character put into a supersuit in order to better interact with superpeople. Suits and subsets and such.

Spectre is like Metatron or something, in a cape. Or at least ought to be.

Your point about Spectre getting his ass handed to him more often than not is a good one. Bowing out now.
 
 
Mario
17:30 / 18.01.06
The Spectre has always been the Big Gun of the DCU. When something truly cosmic happens, and the JLA/JSA can't solve the problem by hitting it, they call the Spectre. While his boss (the "Presence") is notably Judeo-Christian, things were set up loosely enough that the Greek Gods didn't look like pikers.

Unfortunately, after John Ostrander wrapped up his run (with, I might add, an excellent story) the concept flailed around a bit. I rather hope that the new approach will at least return him to some sort of stability.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:43 / 18.01.06
Okay, as awful as last week was in Fill-In-Writerland (I pronounce it "writerlund"), this week more than makes up for it in some super-tight and rewarding continuitism.

Let's just ignore Flash's final issue, which closes out a Fill In run with the final issue of the series and a pretty saccharine ending (especially considering the monumentally moving moments in IC#4). So, moving on.

IC#4 opens with a pretty grotesque bang, as Bludhaven is obliterated by a sentient glob of radiation. When I first read these few pages I figured, "Hey, good riddance." I mean, seriously. Worst city name in the history of comics, no? Well, if you want to maintain that illusion, avoid Nightwing #116, because damn, it does a pretty super job of showing just how awful and devestating an act this was, especially to Nightwing. It's struck precisely the right balance between simply working off of IC#4 and requiring readers to pick it up. They both work pretty well independent of each of them, but together they paint a pretty detailed picture. Aquaman's been in a similar boat.

Next up, my personal favorite crossie of the week: Green Lantern #7. It's a follow up to IC#1 actually, catching up with Mongul. It's also a sequel to, get this, "What Do You Get For The Man Who Has Everything", the classic Moore/Gibbons jernt. Greens Arrow and Lantern get those weird ass flowers attatched to their chests. Sadness ensues.

Firestorm #21 is also nicely woven into the fabric of IC#4 and if you've been following the series, it's got a nice bit of development for our Jason Rausch. If you haven't, pick it up anyway just for thrill of having three books drop on the same day that read together so damned effectively.

Birds Of Prey #90 wraps up its really long mob storyline with the rematch you've no one been waiting for: Black Canary v. Deathstroke. Which is the only reason I mention it. It's got the VU Kru in it. Anyway, it's good, but potentially uninteresting if you're not already interested in snarky girls who refuse to wear actual pants or skirts.

Now, a few more words on the awesomeness that is Infinite Crisis #4. It's pretty clear at the climax of the Superboy battle, when Barry freakin' Allen climbs out of the Speed Force to take care of SBP, that this whole magilla is really just a Love Letter to the potential and the promise of the DCU. It's a universe built around so many opportunities for spectacular returns, gigantic payoffs, and all that mess; and Johns is taking this 7 issue opportunity to pretty much slide through every single one of them. I doubt that there'll be anything left at the end of this series that any fan will have wished could have happened. I mean, just this week we've seen Barry Allen and the freakin' Mongul Dream Flowers make their return.

And for us readers of Gotham Central, this issue marks the promise of some sweet and desperately needed payback. Which also highlights how impressed I am with this entire enterprise. Gotham Central is in no way a top tier book for DC as far as sales go. But by tying the fate of the Spectre into one of its flat-out best storylines, not only have they raised the story's prominence, they've also turned an instant spotlight onto a criminally underlooked book. And the best part? If people really want to know every single thing that led up to the Spectre's new host? They'll pretty much have to read every single issue of Gotham Central.

See kids? Sometimes good comics do win.
 
 
Aertho
18:15 / 18.01.06
Yay for Benjamin!
 
 
Mario
14:11 / 20.01.06
I think I worked out something about Superboy-Prime. But I'm not sure what.

In DC Presents #87, we see his origin, and he has an adventure with the pre-Crisis Superman. With Kal-El's help. he visits Earth-1, but he's almost immediately sucked away by some sort of vortex.

We next see him in Crisis #10, where he proclaims his earth had been destroyed. How'd he know?

If the vortex dropped him back on Earth-Prime, I don't think he'd have the means to escape, and if it didn't, he wouldn't KNOW what happened to his homeworld.
 
 
Aertho
15:07 / 20.01.06
Who'd Superboy kill?
Pantha, Wildebeest, Red Star, Bushido, Risk...
Anyone else?
 
 
Tim Tempest
22:00 / 20.01.06
I've finally gotten around to reading Infinite Crisis #1-3, and I am trying to work my way through the giant tome that is 'Crisis On Infinite Earths'.

Great stuff. The coolest thing for me about the current 'Crisis' is that I'm alive this time to enjoy it.
 
  

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