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Big Brother 2004

 
  

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Mourne Kransky
18:17 / 18.06.04
Indeed, Boboss, apologies for misascription (is that a word?) I am flogging myself right now in penance with equipment borrowed from Meme Buggerer. yawn's was the remark I responded to later. re: Emma and BB know more than we do.

You could well be right and are surely better informed than I about the degree to which C4 will engender excess for cynical reasons.

I see the show's Forensic Criminologist [sic] has handed in his cards, after advising BB on how he'd cope with the aftermath of a prison riot.

There's a nasty nasty part of me would like to see Jason and Victor pulling their Alpha Male shit in Brixton prison. That would give them pause. Few unmanicured paws too.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:20 / 18.06.04
*g*

my first thought was an army barracks, but same principle...
 
 
Ganesh
18:37 / 18.06.04
I *heart* this thread. Everyone on it rocks.

Me too. I don't think I've ever enjoyed a Big Brother thread so much...

Basically, I think yr familiarity/distance from the situation makes it much easier to find it risible.

I think you're probably right. His Scottish shoutiness makes me want to titter, but not only am I familiar with the breed, but I'm also the other side of a television screen. And not living in Scotland any more.

I'm not putting all the blame on Jason, by any means, but I think I'd've found a big angry man shouting at me and getting into my space, threatening violence* pretty fucking frightening.

Agreed. I'm not sure I'd have smirkily stoked him to new heights of fury, though. I'd have danced respectfully.

While I think 'nesh's description of J is pretty spot on, I'm finding it hard to feel as sorry for him. Mainly because his 'apology' was *soooooo* grudging and pathetic.

Yes, it was grudging and pathetic, as was his acceptance of other people's apologies. If I hadn't seen his previous potential for self-reflection with Dan, I'd doubtless dismiss him as a sullen, graceless bully. As it is, I'm in full agreement with the lovely Lauren Laverne on BBLB: he's drawing his persona from those around him (nature abhors a vacuum), and unfortunately, 'those around him' is mostly Victor. The two of them create a dangerously-synergistic positive feedback loop.

Nadia came out of that pretty well, I thought. I'm really liking her right now.

Me too. Less vapid cackling, more soul-searchingy niceness. I'd be happy if she won.

And I'm more and more angry about the way Dan seems to have 'got away' with his comments about Ahmed because he dealt really well with the fight.

I'm not; if anything, Dan's behaviour during Fight Night goes further in convincing me that there was relatively little malign intent behind his "it's his culture" comment - and that he was trying (albeit ignorantly) to explain the "I don't thank you; I thank your mother" stuff rather than condemn. I think his intentions are good.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:51 / 18.06.04
*puts on some sweetsweet music*

Dance respeckfully with me, dahling?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:26 / 18.06.04
Jason and Vanessa. Urrrrrrgh. Who's immature now, eh?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
19:28 / 18.06.04
arghhh. Vanessa&Jason=Axes(to grind) of Evil.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:29 / 18.06.04
Yay! Jinx! Such petty petty people.
 
 
Ganesh
19:31 / 18.06.04
*boogies with Bengali, in platforms*

This evening's Big Brother portrayal of the aftermath is interesting. Things may have calmed, but the resentments are still strong, and the self-styled Grumpy Old Men aren't about to forgive or forget. Like Xoc, I can't really see what Victor's got to gain by Emma returning to the house, so I'm wondering how that'll go.

Despite the (very) occasional twinge of guilt, I'm intrigued by the sense, this year, that Endemol/Channel 4 are trying to contain bottled dynamite (or perhaps the Wasps of Atlantis), and it could all kick off any moment. I think Emma is, intentionally or not, the catalyst, because she seems the least able to edit herself. I can see why they're pooping themselves slightly about letting her back in.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
19:36 / 18.06.04
*boogies, rrrromantically with 'nesh*

This evening's [...] portrayal of events is interesting

Fascinating isn't it? Predictably, they're trying to minimise the potentially morally/legally/psychological angles while amping up the 'DRAMA' of it all. A tricky balance, and one I don't think they're managing...
 
 
Ganesh
19:37 / 18.06.04
I agree. I think they're running scared...
 
 
Jester
19:54 / 18.06.04
I think Emma is, intentionally or not, the catalyst, because she seems the least able to edit herself. I can see why they're pooping themselves slightly about letting her back in.

Yeah, I think maybe they made a bit of a mistake not letting her back before. Just as everything has calmed down, they will now pretty much have to reintroduce the chaos element... And she won't have been able to see all of the fence mending, and won't be in touch with the situation.

I don't know that she's really the (only) catalyst though: she seems less able to edit herself, because she's not very eloquant, but Victor especially almost doesn't seem to be able to get it into his head that he is also aggravating the situation, he just seems totally comfortable that that is a reasonable way to behave.
 
 
Ganesh
19:56 / 18.06.04
No, I didn't (and wouldn't) claim Emma's the only catalyst. She is, I think, the most potent, though...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:23 / 18.06.04
Dan's Peacefinder General act is starting to
piss me right off. Not sure why...

The Vic and Jay show - Afffghghghhghg

"Other people have forgotten last night[...] I'm never gonna forget it"

ooo-ooooo
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:24 / 18.06.04
Poor Victor. He keeps saying the same thing, yet doing nothing, unaware that nobody likes him...
 
 
Sax
20:24 / 18.06.04
I agree BiP; Dan seems so simpering with his go-between act. Shut up and have another infusion.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:27 / 18.06.04
Victor: "It's time to take these suckas out! ...I'm a contender! ... I'm so focussed it's crazy... I feel like a new man!"
 
 
Ganesh
20:33 / 18.06.04
Victor: "It's time to take these suckas out! ...I'm a contender! ... I'm so focussed it's crazy... I feel like a new man!"

His repetitive Diary Room dick-swinging is really pissing me off. It's like some interminably cliched rap song but without the benefit of music. Just when you think he can't get any more full of shit, he manages to shoehorn another couple of turds in.

And yeah, I sooort of know what y'mean about Dan - although I suspect the Nobel stuff is fairly necessary at the moment. I guess there's another what, fifty-odd days to go? I'm looking forward to him losing it, and losing it big-time (as he surely would) at some future juncture. In the meantime, I'd just like to see him being slightly more proactive with the Jungle Twats.
 
 
Sax
20:35 / 18.06.04
He looks shit in make-up, though.
 
 
Ganesh
20:40 / 18.06.04
He looks shit in hair, too. I wish he'd shave off that stupid half-inch ridge of carpet.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:42 / 18.06.04
The elephantine-memory-man was acutally Jay. sorry, should've attributed. This, however, is pure Vic

"I'm gonna take the game up a level"
 
 
Ganesh
20:46 / 18.06.04
"I'm gonna take the game up a level"

Yeah yeah fucking yeah. All arse and no trousers.

Conducting a straw poll of black colleagues, it would appear that they view Victor much as lesbians viewed Kitten and (a significant proportion of) gay men view Marco: as a pathetic, irritating stereotype.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:47 / 18.06.04
It's like some interminably cliched rap song but without the benefit of music.

Personally, I think Vic's watched Rocky IV one too many (thousand) times.

And manages to out-wooden Sly. Impressive
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:50 / 18.06.04
Perhaps Vic is, Samson-and-Delilah style, robbing Jay of all his buttock-strength, week by week. I'm certain his ass is bigger than it was...
 
 
Sax
20:50 / 18.06.04
Conducting a straw poll of black colleagues, it would appear that they view Victor much as lesbians viewed Kitten and (a significant proportion of) gay men view Marco: as a pathetic, irritating stereotype.

So when you add Emma's Daft Northerner, Michelle's flinty Geordie and Vanessa's "Never Met a Nice South African" act, perhaps Big Brother's initially daring mix would seem to be stereotyping of the worst kind?
 
 
Ganesh
20:59 / 18.06.04
Perhaps Vic is, Samson-and-Delilah style, robbing Jay of all his buttock-strength, week by week. I'm certain his ass is bigger than it was...

*gasp*

Victor's a SPAMPIRE!!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:09 / 18.06.04
Was that ever in doubt? Victor and Dan keep on passing comment on it - Dan viewing the make up of the house as "one of each of the most extreme examples of our own kind" (I'm not sure how he sees that comment applying to himself, mind) and Victor, rather amusingly, claiming that they're all "superheroes," the implication being pretty much the same.

Based on tonight's show, Emma seems to have even less of a grip on the events of the other night than Jason. That's got to make it even more difficult to put her back in the house, but I'd imagine that if she was going to get booted, they wouldn't have included footage of her in the round-up show.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:10 / 18.06.04
Er, the opening of that post being in reply to what Sax was saying, obviously.

yawn:

I, like th falcon, would like to know morte about the absurd-looking 'grande shove' by J - what the fuck was going on there?

Not entirely sure, because there's still a lot of that footage that hasn't been shown (this was all happening during the off-air period on Wednesday night), but based on what has been...

Shell's on all foors in the bathroom (? I really can't get the layout of the house straight in my head), possibly chundering. Nadia goes in to see if she's alright. Comes out again. Vanessa goes in. Shell tells her that she doesn't want to see Nadia or Marco at the moment. Nadia (again) and Marco enter to check on her. Vanessa tells them to vamoose. They make to leave and Nadia gives it a sarky "Alright then, we're going" on her way out. Vanessa goes apeshit. At some point following this, Jason and Victor get into the bathroom. On horseback, presumably. Followed by Nadia and Marco (again again). Something happens that leads to Nadia slapping Jason in the face. Jason and Victor charge at her.

Big burly security men enter, Jason and Victor suddenly need a change of pants.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
06:42 / 19.06.04
Ganesh-I've heard of the Naoplen Compex before. But what's whith Stu and his Sherrif Complex? The gunslinging hosepipes in the garden was hilarious and his begging BB to take a pic of him in his Sherrifs outfit, while BBLB shows him a "Toddler Sheffir".

Plate throwing and threats aside. There have been moments of true comedy in the BB house.
 
 
Nobody's girl
07:19 / 19.06.04
Did anyone see the live coverage of Victor and Dan the other night?
Victor was like a man obsessed, he could not stop waffling on about Emma and how he's going to win. Dan had obviously been briefed by Big Brother to try and talk him 'round as I don't know anyone who'd willingly suffer such crazy talk for so long.

Ganesh- care to offer up some insight into Victor's mental health? It's seeming a little precarious.
 
 
Pan Paniscus
10:30 / 19.06.04
I've heard of the Naoplen Compex before. But what's whith Stu and his Sherrif Complex?

Chicken Stu is rapidly becoming Clint Eastwood. That's 'Clint Eastwood', as played by Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future 3, obviously.

[Victor's] repetitive Diary Room dick-swinging is really pissing me off. It's like some interminably cliched rap song but without the benefit of music.

Victor's mental health? It's seeming a little precarious.

It only really became clear last night that the self-styled "dirtiest player in the game" actually doesn't have any gameplan to speak of (except talking about nominations when he knows he's not supposed to). The Diary Room Monologues are purely for V to reassure himself he's still in control, rather than let us in on his Machiavellian schemes, aren't they? As long as he thinks there's a plan, he's happy, whether he's following it or not. I was almost feeling sorry for him with all the "Earlier, I just wanted my mum to come in and give me a hug" and "I'm not a crier, but if there was a day I was gonna cry, It'd be today" stuff.

Poor deluded nobend.

And yeah - far, far away from the plasticky groping and desexualised nudity, I'm glad this thread has identified 'The Romance' as being all about the tragic, chaste love triangle between Dan, Victor and Cap'n Spam. It's quite beautiful and sad at times. Jason is the very model of the impotent superhero, trapped in a world he can't understand, his lantern jaw no match for the gay kryptonite that has robbed him of his carefully constructed identity (or something).

(talking of superheroes, the way they've redone the eyes in the title sequence this year, making them all scary and veiny, along with all the crying and screaming and unpleasantness, has been reminding me an awful lot of George Morrison's 'Michael Eye' TV show/themepark from his 'SeaChap' cartoon.)

perhaps Big Brother's initially daring mix would seem to be stereotyping of the worst kind

Well quite. Also that the general brief for all contestants seems to be that they should all be of a particularly teenage mentality, not just Kitten. Even the legendary 'fight', from what I've seen, seemed like the kind of argy-bargy you can find at any party full of 15 year-olds. It'll be interesting to see how long Dan can hold up as the token grown-up/parent, with the rest of the supposedly 'mature' tidy brigade still acting like (for want of a better phrase) "spoilt little madams". His ideas on 'culture' notwithstanding, he seems to be doing a good job of interviewing/counselling the other housemates. Do you think evictions were cancelled last night 'cos he's apparently the only force in there preventing a further meltdown? C4/Endemol must be loving him at the moment.
 
 
Nobody's girl
17:27 / 19.06.04
Emma is asked to leave.

How is that fair?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:32 / 19.06.04
Seems to me it's gone this way purely because they'd much rather try and get away with only losing one housemate... hmmmm. Interesting decision.

I can see why they wouldn't want to risk returning her to the house (especially now she's been cooped up again), but it is a very unfair decision in a lot of ways. I'm not entirely sure it'll work, either... there's still a lot of anger and tension in the house.

We'll see.
 
 
electricinca
18:13 / 19.06.04
I shall be mourning the loss of Jonny Horizontal for he was an intricate part of the house but not Emma. It does seem unfair that Emma is asked to leave however.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:30 / 19.06.04
Damn I'm so sick of Jason, he's such a fuck, he never disguises how inferior he thinks the others are, trades these nasty little looks with Vanessa- not lovely but vindictive and she is just so insensitive, Dan looked so sad and she was all rolly rolly with Jason on the sofa and she goes on and on about a food fight being immature. Man alive, cut their tubes so their children can't turn in to repressed little bunnies too.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:50 / 19.06.04
Thinking about it, I'm glad that Dan's up for eviction. Unless something drastic happens this week, it makes Vanessa's removal a guaranteed event - against anyone else (bar Stuart and possibly Michelle) I think she'd have stood a chance, but not now.

Emma's booting? Inevitable, given the painful amount of time it's taken them to make the decision.
 
  

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