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11:17 / 17.06.04

I've tried to fix it.

For some reason, I can get to the file through the email I was sent (right-slick, save as) but not directly. I can't seem to access the file through a html link here or by posting it directly into the address bar. Weird. Here's the address if someone else wants to try.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri1957/bb5...oadband.wmv.wmv

Psi-L is working in hell

11:20 / 17.06.04

Hmm, not wishing to wade into this too much and derail this thread....but,

yawn: I'm not entirely sure you have actually dealt with BiP's arguments re: tolerance...as all you've appear to have suggested is that it is a given that anyone who suffers from some form of social difficulty/prejudice should understand anyone else in a similar position regardless of the context. I'm not sure I agree, and back up Bengali's point that just because you are gay and may have suffered homophobic prejudices does not necessarily make you a more tolerant/empathetic person when it comes to race/height/asylum seeking..whatever you want to pick....i can see how you might assume this, and what a wonderful place the world could be if this was the case...but you can hardly say its a given I think.

Aannnyway....I can't believe that i went to bed last night only to miss all of this....you turn your back for one minute.....

11:21 / 17.06.04

Here's the official story from Channel 4 for those who can't get onto the page. (It took me ages.)

Tempers erupted in the Big Brother House last night - leaving the place in a state of chaos. Victor and Emma were separated by security, and Jason and Marco and Vanessa and Nadia all went head to head.

The animosity between Emma and Victor exploded when, during a playful food fight, Emma's volume control went haywire. Incensed by her screeching Victor lost it, big time. A food fight escalated into tray-throwing, Emma first, Victor retaliating, before the two had to be dragged apart screaming insults and threats at each other.

"Do you know who I am?" Victor bellowed repeatedly.

"I'll f***ing kill you," screamed Emma, before being dragged away by Dan.

She failed to calm down enough to remain in the House, so Big Brother asked her to return to the Bedsit.

Previously another row had erupted between Jason and Marco. Marco's delight at the return of his bestest allies Emma and Michelle spilled over into a dance of "disrespect". At least that's how Jay saw it.

Jay started blustering around telling anyone who'd listen, and there weren't many volunteers, that the mess from the earlier food fight would have to be cleared up. When Marco performed a loud and camp jig in his face, the burly Scot exploded and shouted at the law student.

"How dare you intimidate me!" squealed Marco, choosing not to call Jay "Darling" in this instance.

"You dance like that again, and I'll take your f***king head off," came the muscle-bound reply.

Don't F***ing mess with me

With Jason pumped and ready for trouble Nadia and Emma stepped between him and Marco to protect him. Marco giggled at the back, but Jason was deadly serious.

While Dan and Stuart attempted to keep the peace Vanessa started shouting at Nadia.

Then, for the first time in Big Brother history, security entered the House to restore order.

With Emma safely ensconced in the Bedsit the other members of the House scattered themselves about the place as they all tried to calm down.

We bet there'll be a few sore heads this morning...

11:34 / 17.06.04

Still not working, Warewulf. There's a heavily cut down video of events here. It doesn't show the Jason/Marco stuff that started it all off, but does have the Emma/Mad Clown Posse eruption that led to the show going off air.

11:45 / 17.06.04

Your clip starts a bit earlier than the one I posted.

"DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!"

Yep. You're a nobody with a huge arse.

What a twat.

12:00 / 17.06.04

Yep. You're a nobody with a huge arse.

It is rather phenomenal, isn't it?

Can't understand why he'd shout "do you know who I am?". I mean, it's not as if Emma was Olulabelle, cruelly denying Victor his rightful place at the head of the ticket queue. His fifteen picoseconds of fame don't start until he leaves the house.

Unless the correct answer was 'da man'.

On the Ahmed "his culture" stuff: yeah, it was a crassly stupid, sweeping generalisation - but, sadly, not an uncommon one. I've heard the same sentiments expressed countless times in hospital settings, usually levelled at male Asian or Arabic doctors who are perceived to be particularly curt or high-handed in their attitude toward female nurses - and we, in the NHS, are the recipients of formal diversity training. I'd second Bengali's point that being sexually aware does not necessarily make one racially aware (I think perhaps this was the case in the past, when sexual 'inverts', immigrants and racial subgroups shared a similar marginalised 'outsider' status - which is possibly less true now): I'd encourage her to throw some virtual plates at Yawn, while I aim my hotttly disrespectful dance in Flyboy's direction.

yawn - thing's buddy

12:03 / 17.06.04

here, i have addressed doubts generated by my original post regarding the correlation of tolerance. This was posted earlier but perhaps some people may have missed it.

"also: dan re. my comments - again a short cut - he's displayed enough intelligence so far, and expressed enough sentiment about diversity and tolerance regarding sexuality that it's reasonable to expect a sensible apporach concerning Ahmed could be garnered from his brain.

but no.

It is accepted (by most) that Dan is diplomatic, intelligent, mature, chilled.

It is accepted (again, by most) that Vanessa is intolerant, impatient, unfriendly.

It is for this reason that it is both more shocking and disappointing that Dan has said what he said. "

(tinn)haus(er) - you sad pedant. I expected better from a varsity letterman.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:06 / 17.06.04

I'm also slightly tickled that avenging angel and career hard man Victor was successfully held off by cringing virgin midget Stuart, as he repetitively shouted what we can all establish was an utterly pointless question at Emma.

"Yes. You're Victor."

This didn't seem much worse than a big post-pub face-off, but Victor's readiness to threaten woman, even annoying, and Spambo going weak in the presence of booty must hurt them, surely?

12:13 / 17.06.04

Yawn: I agree (although, as I've said, any 'shock' on my part is partially dulled by having heard many diplomatic, intelligent, mature blah de blah people within the NHS express similar sentiments); it looked as if even Dan realised, as he said it, that he was crossing a line - and tried to backtrack into somewhat blander "when in Rome..." territory.

12:14 / 17.06.04

Can I just plagiarise Warren from This Life?

[Big grin, arms folded, welsh accent] "Outstanding!"

12:20 / 17.06.04

Wow. I just watched the video. Victor is a grade A cockface.
He looked as if he was about to beat the crap out of Emma. It got me really freaked out seeing that, I got echoes past family violence. Eugh.

Kudos to Stu for dealing with Victor though. It seems he does have balls after all, who knew?

yawn - thing's buddy

12:23 / 17.06.04

okay on the sexuality-race tolerance issue - my point was concerned with DAN however - it was not a generic catch all. Without question Dan has posited himself as the tolerant, understanding figure in the house. it is for THIS reason that I hold his comments in disdain. I genuinely believed his tolerance would be consistent across the board because he himself defines his personality (at least partly) with this conception.

but, of course i understand others may disagree with my interpretation.

I also accept that my argument may have appeared naive. I'll make sure and articulate my thoughts more clearly in the future.

I hope i've cleard up any misunderstandings.

dan is still a cock, tho.

Whisky Priestess

12:24 / 17.06.04

HAUS:

"I dunno - I'm 6'5, and I don't have any social problems"

... that you know about.

See, us oppressors try to keep our machinations secret and subtle, denying you without defying you. Just thank your lucky stars you're not blonde ...

12:25 / 17.06.04

As far as the whole Dan thing is concerned, I'd be interested test his "Do as the Romans do" waffle by sending him to Somalia and seeing how well he can intergrate. Can't see it working out somehow, can you?

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:26 / 17.06.04

(tinn)haus(er) - you sad pedant. I expected better from a varsity letterman.

And I little better from a nice boy with an architecture qualification who likes to play toughie on the Internet.

Oh, God. yawn is the white, Scottish Victor. Representing like his life depended on it when not chaperoning the young ladies of the local girls' private school to tea dances.

I don't see what the problem is. Dan is - what? - 6'5, 6'6? As such, I am remarkably well-qualified to suggest what social problems his height may have caused him.

Goodness Gracious Meme

12:34 / 17.06.04

*plink... smash*

ahhhhhhhhhh.

Now *that's* what I call therapy.

Yawn: cheers for the clarification.

And, like Nesh, I guess I just don't find it that shocking when people who present as 'tolerant' hit the limits of that tolerance. But I should remember that this doesn't mean it isn't vile.

*dances*

DISRESPECT!

yawn - thing's buddy

12:38 / 17.06.04

tinn(haus)er - your description of me - ha ha.

I enjoyed that.

thanks.

Goodness Gracious Meme

12:45 / 17.06.04

And check the thread, at no point have I been the big Dan-fan. I find him pretty irritating, if you actually want to know, and his comments re Ahmed aren't inconsistent with what I've seen of his worlview. He's small-headed, small-minded...

Regrettable Juvenilia

12:47 / 17.06.04

From the BBC:

A spokeswoman for Channel 4 denied reports that Emma had been expelled from the house following the fight, and confirmed that there were no plans to evict any of the other housemates involved.
"Each of the housemates will be called in to the Diary Room today to talk to Big Brother," she said.

"At the end of the day, it is the health and welfare of the housemates that we are concerned about - the game show element is secondary.

"We want to talk to them individually and see how they are all feeling today. Then we will take a view on what to do next."

12:53 / 17.06.04

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way that Emma was in 'sectioning' territory. for fucks' sake.

Absolutely. Bit of a durr-brained rumour, that one.

Tryphena Absent

14:10 / 17.06.04

I felt quite sorry for Shell last night, she was launching off in to full panic mode when the live picture went off, lying on the floor saying she was going to be sick and her breathing was all over the place. What did the housemates do? Crowded round her in a dark room and gave her a bucket. Where have they found these people?

16:19 / 17.06.04

I felt quite sorry for Shell last night, she was launching off in to full panic mode when the live picture went off, lying on the floor saying she was going to be sick and her breathing was all over the place. What did the housemates do? Crowded round her in a dark room and gave her a bucket. Where have they found these people?

I expect they were hand-picked for their first-aid abilities, anger management skills and capacity to remain cool-headed in conflict situations.

Alternatively, they could be bog-standard lairy twenty/thirtysomethings, pissed-up and fumbling around as best they could at the time, in the midst of a shouty-shouty mob drama.

Madman in the ruins.

17:21 / 17.06.04

"I expect they were hand-picked for their first-aid abilities, anger management skills and capacity to remain cool-headed in conflict situations."

Ahhh yes Big Brother the SAS school of survival.

On a more genral note, over the past few days Victor and Jasons conversations that started with "I'm not discussing nominations here. But......."
Why were they not dragged into the diray room there and then for "not" discussing and attempting to infuence nominations.

From what I saw last night from Michelle and Emmas re-entry into the house till about 12.30 pm where I had a spooky feeling* thats tometing was going to kick off. I got he Impresson that it was Jason who was really stirring the situanion up and egging Vic the Prick on doinng someting he regets and therefore becoming nominated in the next weeks evictions.
Which may have been Spambo's gameplan. Excpet it may have backfired with his threatahing Marco.

Just noticed the news Footage on C5. Wekk doen Stu for restraing Vic - I dind't think he had it in him. What with Vic being so Ard and all that.

* am I psychic or just a student of human nature

17:44 / 17.06.04

Gameplan. Aaalways with the gameplan.

I honestly don't think last night's almight shitstorm was reflective of anyone's gameplan. It seemed more like an unstable mix of volatile situational and personality factors, in which pretty much anything could've become a potential flashpoint. I think there is a fundamental division between the screamy, arm-flaily, food-hurly element (Marco, Emma, Nadia, Michelle and - occasionally - Stuart) and the mess-anal 'Responsible' Squad (Dan, Jason, Vanessa, YouShell, Victor, Ahmed), and the return of the Bedsit Two tipped things apruptly from one state to the other, in terms of which group was dominant. In hindsight (and it's always in hindsight), it was always gonna kick off.

Watching the footage on BBLB, it looks like Emma had been winding Victor up with oh-so-subtle digs, and the general screechiness and indoor food-flinging was getting to him. Then she chucked a tray at him. Bingo.

The Spamarama with Marco seemed to result from Jason's repeated failed attempts to assert himself (he's distinctly crap as alpha males go: can't get the wife to put out, can't get the kids to shut up; even a 1950s Julianne Moore would begin to suspect a screw loose somewhere beneath that pinkly-glistening heterochassis), culminating in Marco's Fagbangling Fandango of Disrespect. I kinda sympathise.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

18:42 / 17.06.04

It really was a dance of disrespect from Queen Gollum.

18:49 / 17.06.04

It really was a dance of disrespect from Queen Gollum.

All part of hisss gayplan, my love...

18:59 / 17.06.04

Nadia apologises to Jason, which is sweet.

Vanessa, on the other hand, goes suddenly apeshit with the "I know you all hate me" paranoia. I'd link to it, but the official site seems to be labouring, presumably under mucho goggling traffic.

Tryphena Absent

19:39 / 17.06.04

Alternatively, they could be bog-standard lairy twenty/thirtysomethings, pissed-up and fumbling around as best they could at the time, in the midst of a shouty-shouty mob drama.

Ganesh, I'm 22 and I have never been to a party without one person who could deal with a girl as passive as Shell panicking. They were hailing Dan and Stuart as the saviours of the day on Little Brother earlier but hang on lauding two people (out of twelve) as heroes seems a bit much when they couldn't help someone who felt nauseous because of a confrontation. This- first-aid abilities, anger management skills and capacity to remain cool-headed in conflict situations- is nonsense, all any of them need is a little bit of sensitivity and common sense but somehow they've managed to stick twelve people in a house who have never had any experience of emotional crisis. Fine, they couldn't calm Emma or Victor down, I wouldn't have expected them to be able to and usually you'd force them away from each other but a girl panicking? Take her outside to get some fresh air, talk to her and try to get her to slow her breathing down? Gosh, that's difficult to think of.

19:52 / 17.06.04

Ganesh, I'm 22 and I have never been to a party without one person who could deal with a girl as passive as Shell panicking.

Bully for you. I'm 34, and I've been to plenty of parties where people dealt with someone feeling nauseous by giving them a basin and waiting to see if they chuck up (if they insist they want to be left alone, this is often the only realistic option). Mind you, I'm not sure I've been to that many parties where this happened simultaneously with individuals bellowing in each others' faces, pushing tables over and throwing stuff at each other (disrespectful dancing, yes, that's more common) - and where one couldn't simply walk out of the situation without forfeiting tens of thousands of pounds. So perhaps my own anecdotal experience isn't necessarily representative. Fancy!

Take her outside to get some fresh air, talk to her and try to get her to slow her breathing down? Gosh, that's difficult to think of.

If it's breathing that's the problem rather than nausea. And if the individual concerned agrees to move. And hey, in the heat of the (screamy-screamy) moment, many seemingly obvious things are difficult to think of. Perhaps you should apply for next year's show, Anna? That sounds like quite a gameplan you've got there - and, after 2004's shenanigans is over, 'sensible' might well be the new casting brief...

20:11 / 17.06.04

"How dare she judge me by her ideals... fucking fat cellulite slag!"

Michelle on Vanessa. Classic.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

20:17 / 17.06.04

Good lord, can someone write down all this lingo (always repeated for effect).

"You stick to your guns I'll wash my hands of ya stick to your guns I'll wash my hands of ya"

"You don't know me, you don't know what I'm capable of! YOU DON'T KNOW ME!"

I know I'm shocked at events that transpired last night! If only we knew Victor.

20:19 / 17.06.04

"You're not LISTENING. I'll get ILL if I have any more cold showers. I've ALREADY got the sniffles."

Victor really is the glans to end all wankshafts, isn't he?

Whisky Priestess

20:31 / 17.06.04

YOU DON'T KNOW his slight susceptibility to colds!!!!!

20:33 / 17.06.04

Perhaps Big Brother plans to Influenza Male him to death?

20:48 / 17.06.04

Hmmm. Can't decide who's more repellent: the fucken' Jungle fucken' so-called fucken' Cats fucken' simmering with fucken' bitterness in the fucken' Boys' fucken' Club, or vile, vile, vile, cackling Fagbangle. I'm feeling torn between intensely projected self-loathing for my Inner Alpha Fuckwit and my Inner Screamy Queen.

*sings, cheer up Screamy Que-een, oh what can it meeean...*

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