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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

 
  

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Lama glama
00:40 / 23.09.06
I quote (as closely as possible) Gordon Ramsay referring to one of his trainee chefs on tonight's The Late, Late Show with Pat Kenny:

"It was disgusting, the sweat was dropping from his big Jew nose."

Is anybody else with me in wanting to fillet this example of human faeces and feeding him to some sort of hungry boar type creature?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:02 / 23.09.06
Ooh. I've hated Ramsay for a long time, mainly for his tricking a vegetarian into eating meat "hilarity". Another reason to punch the fucker. EXCELLENT.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
06:07 / 23.09.06
If it's any consolation, and I dare say it isn't, apparently actually eating at one of Gordon's restaurants is a deeply upsetting experience. Nobody laughs, nobody cries (at least except on the inside,) nobody seems to say anything much, as the food (the manna!) is joylessly consumed. There's nothing to look at except the other diners, who might be wearing more fashionable clothes, or about to have a go at more than just the venison en croute (stuffed with foie gras, lobster, truffles and sweetbreads - it's the ingredients that matter,) with their eating implements, so not that, really. Otherwise, it's stark, white, empty, dead, in every direction. All you can hear is the hollow chink of cutlery, and the muted embarrassment of the waiters, people (usually French, so, you know, fuck 'em) who are genuinely devoted to the art of fine cuisine, and can't quite believe they've wound up working in such a miserable hell hole. Those wishing to re-create the experience of a meal at an especially harsh English boarding school run by monks in the Fifties, as re-imagined by Stanley Kubrick, might be well-advised to try it out, but otherwise, who in God's name wants to shell out the amount of cash required to go home feeling that sad and lonely? Rebekkkah Wade, Ross Kemp and Richard Desmond, that's who.

I'm not usually a fan of AA Gill, but in this case I'm with him - Gordon Ramsay is 'a second-rate human being,' and on every level, just so vulgar.

But, and I'm sure I've said this before, it is possible to get Gordon back. It'd be a long-term strategy, but it's not undo-able. Basically, it'd be a question of booking a few months ahead, for a night when Gordon was physically present in the restaurant, when he wasn't really busy with something else. I suppose he flies in a few times a year, to make sure that everything's still ship-shape. So, the thing to do would be to order as much booze as possible to begin with, and then start acting like he does, routinely, throughout the meal. So complaining about everything on the menu, insulting members of one's party for being 'poofs,' 'women,' or whatever, and then, the killer punch, asking for a well-done steak with chips, 'not fucking pomme frites,' and tomato ketchup, and really just sitting round waiting to be thrown out of Gordon's establishment, the bill for the champagne, etc, having been pretty much forgotten during the course of teh Maestro's red mist.

If enough people did this, which, to put it in context, they used to do to Marco Pierre White all the time - MPW's restaurants in the late Eighties were a notoriously free eat, for the exact same reasons - Gordon would be out of the restaurant business soon enough.

After that, there'd be just the books and telly appearances to worry about, but time seems to take care of those. I used to like Keith Floyd, but these days I find myself wondering what he's up to.
 
 
Spaniel
07:59 / 23.09.06
Getting pissed?
 
 
HCE
08:41 / 23.09.06
Bought DJ Krush tickets for the same night as my friend's wedding, courtesy of brain malfunction. Thanks for nothing, brain.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:18 / 23.09.06
Getting pissed?

I hope Keith's enjoying his retirement from the horrors of the modern world on a secluded, sunny beach somewhere, surrounded by his loving, extended family.

Cooking lobster, say, as the sun sets over the terrace, rather than getting into a fight with the stuff, nightly.

I hope he's all right.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
11:19 / 25.09.06
Can somebody explain the current customary practice with the telephone these days?

As far as I can fathom it is now the norm to pick up the handset of one of these oh so quaint devices and simply unload the recent pages of your brain into the mouthpiece with no consideration of who may be on the other end of the line and what their intentions of communication might actually be. Is the earpiece/speaker actually fully redundant now? Perhaps a novel new form of blogging has evolved.

Jolly fucking ratbastard good I say.
 
 
Axolotl
16:17 / 26.09.06
Another job interview, yet another another rejection.
Once again I get feedback where they say I was good, we just chose someone else.
I'd almost prefer them to tear into me with a laundry list of complaints; at least then I could try and change something.
Sometimes I think it must be something else, like pogonophobia (fear of my beard) or some kind of anti-english thing, but I figure that's part paranoia, part wishful thinking (as then it wouldn't be my fault) rather than actually being a factor. Especially as I've encountered zero problems with my nationality, outside of the occasional media spat.
Oh well. Back to the want ads.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
09:18 / 02.10.06
(Jamie) Oliver appeared on the (Johnathon Ross) show to talk about his mission to improve the meals served to children at schools around the UK.

The pair had been discussing a recent case in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, where parents passed fish and chips to their children through the school's railings, as a protest against the introduction of healthier menus.


If you actually have a compelling reason why I shouldn't kill these parents now then you'll have to move pretty damn fast to stop me.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:26 / 02.10.06
Did you not see it in the papers? It was unreal. Silly women taking orders through the fence and running to the chippy for the kids.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
09:42 / 02.10.06
No, but I'm not wrong here. Even if you don't argue that a parent should respect efforts to preserve the health of their children, is it so wholly un-fucking-reasonable of me to expect them to respect the principle of "in loco parentis" upon which the very foundation of our educational established rests?

Maybe as a non-parent I lack the required objectivity here, but the day a parent of an obese child is castigated and locked up for criminal negligence of a minor, I will be a truely rejoiceful man.
 
 
illmatic
09:44 / 02.10.06
Personally, I've have a lot of problems with the idea that chips alone are responsible for levels of obseity. I ate chips everyday for years when I was at school, and I'm still rake like. I think the sedentary lifestyle is a lot more to blame for levels of obseity but we can't challenge that, beause it'd mean looking at more structual things such as traffic and its affect on public space and play patterns, sitting down all day in the classroom/workplace etc etc.

Incidentally, there's some reseach coming out now that suggests that scientists have been wrong about the link between cholestral and fat.
See http://www.ravnskov.nu/myth1.htm
and http://www.thincs.org/Malcolm.choltheory.htm

Obviously, these women weren't fighting the good fight for a new scientifc paradigm, and I don't know what their reasoning was. I'm just uncomfortable with the idea that the current media focus on healthy eating is going to produce any real change.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
09:55 / 02.10.06
You're right in as much as there is a necessity for a balanced lifestyle and diet combination and that diet alone cannot be accused of being a sole cause of many health issues.

However, protestation against healthier menus has so much wrong in it that everything is currently tinged red.

In a sense I do feel that media focus on health eating has a beneficial effect because it promotes an alternative to yo-yo dieting and weight obsession that has dominated media space consistently since the early 1950s. It aids people to see the consistent and sustainable models of diet management that should really be taught in schools.
 
 
illmatic
09:58 / 02.10.06
Ooops, I should've added that re. the links that it seems that exercise plus good diet is what's optimum for health There's seems (to me, anyway) to be a disproportionate focus on diet because of Jamie Oliver's celebrity and the fact that food is a key consumable we can dress up in fancy packaging, call "organic" or whatever and charge lots of money for.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:59 / 02.10.06
Healthy eating helps the children to concentrate too, it's not just weight. Schools have shown that children with behavioural problems do much better if they're eating the right food groups. Jamile Oliver's campaign is less about obesity than it is about the children eating properly. The nutritional content of some school lunches prior to his involvement was appalling.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:59 / 02.10.06
Hmm. While these women are obviously helping their kids to be unhealthy, I wonder- was this happening in a poor or rich area? Because I'm thinking about the idea of "orders from above", you know? And food being a very central part of class identity? And nice, unhealthy food, like smoking, being one of the few pleasures in life available to people who can't whisk Tamsin and Gregory off to the local 10-star...
 
 
illmatic
10:00 / 02.10.06
Cross posted. Yeah, I take your point re. dieting vs. healthy eating. Lets see how long it lasts, though?
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
10:02 / 02.10.06
True, although a marketing expert would probably better explain the inherent benefits of a short but large campaign vs. a long but smaller one. The effects, usually measured in brand loyalty, can be very long lasting. So while the current media attention is certainly disproportionate, I'll turn a not too blind an eye to it in the interests of the future.
 
 
Olulabelle
10:14 / 02.10.06
Legba Rex, it is a poor area and the women did say that they disliked the 'high-priced healthy eating option' (I think). I hear where you are coming from, but obstinacy in the face of orders from 'on high' shouldn't outweigh common sense. It is possible to feed a family healthily on a budget; I've done it on jobseekers allowance. We ate a lot of dal.

Jamie Oliver on the Jonathan Ross show dismissed the lack of money argument out of hand and basically refused to talk about it which didn't impress me. I think he can't actually conceive of the idea of having no money to buy broccoli.
 
 
Olulabelle
10:27 / 02.10.06
I've been sidetracked by the healthy eating thing and I'm not really angry but I don't know where else to put this.

On the radio this morning I won a competition to go to Amsterdam to see My Chemical Romance. I don't like My Chemical Romance, but I do like Amsterdam and I texted in the right answer to a question (not about My Chemical Romance, actually about which celebrity death I was listening too - clearly Elvis eating a burger on the loo) and they rang me up and I won!

So we were all excited and wouldn't even have minded going to see a band we didn't like because in return we would get free flights and we would be put up in a hotel overnight and the record company would be paying for it all.

But TBM's got a gig that night and it's an important gig so we can't go. We can't go!

I haven't had a holiday since 2003. I am frazzled and it would have been a lovely little thing to do.

Bugger, bugger, bugger, bugger.

Still it was nice whilst we thought we could go. For about half an hour we were dancing around the living room and it was a lovely way to start the week.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:31 / 02.10.06
Yeah, I agree about common sense and that. But still...

About the trip- bugger. Mind you, MCR are an absolutely awful band, I mean really there aren't words...
 
 
Axolotl
10:32 / 02.10.06
This whole healthy eating thing, though its aims are admirable does often seem to have a nasty classist undertone to it.
Lula: While I agree that it is possible to feed yourself properly on a very low budget, it does require a lot more time and effort and knowledge that may not be practical or accessible depending on your circumstances.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
10:38 / 02.10.06
does often seem to have a nasty classist undertone to it.

Can you expand on that please. I should warn you that I have a sneaking suspicion that it might be a tad bollocks but don't want to jump on this ahead of the horse.
 
 
Axolotl
11:13 / 02.10.06
I may well be wrong. It just looks like to me that the issue can be used by the middle classes as a stick to beat the working class with. To pretend that there is no class differences in eating habits would be a little bizarre and that a focus on unhealthy eating must therefore have a class aspect.
Jamie Oliver's campaign has been curiously focused on the parents while helpfully ignoring the role of the supermarkets (who pay his wages) in promoting unhealthy eating.
Also ignoring the fact that the roots of the problems with school meals come from privatisation during the Thatcher era, which led to the provision of junk food at schools as it was cheaper and more profitable.
I therefore feel that the focus on those parents who feed their kids worse (who tend to be those with less money to spend on food, though not always) ignores the much wider social context that this results from and allows people conveniently to blame the working classes.
 
 
Quantum
11:22 / 02.10.06
Axolotl, you do know that vegetables are cheap, right? Cheaper than chips? I've been a very poor vegetarian all my life and I eat very healthily. I don't see any classism involved.
 
 
Quantum
11:29 / 02.10.06
I know you said
it does require a lot more time and effort and knowledge that may not be practical or accessible depending on your circumstances.

but I just don't agree. It's easy, they teach nutrition in school, there are millions of books in the library, there's the internet, most newspapers and magazines have features on it regularly, any GP or hospital will have material on it, there are a million ways to find out what's healthy and what's not.
It doesn't take any more time, not very much effort, and the knowledge is freely available.

To illustrate- deep frying chips and cooking meat and peas to go with it, compared to stir frying vegetables (with optional meat) and cooking rice to go with it. One is quicker, easier, cheaper, healthier and IMHO nicer.

Like Pegs says though, exercise is more important than diet .
 
 
Quantum
11:32 / 02.10.06
Oh, I forgot the rage;

Jamie Oliver's campaign has been curiously focused on the parents while helpfully ignoring the role of the supermarkets (who pay his wages) in promoting unhealthy eating.

Yes! Fucking Oliver! I know he's rising to popularity again but he just really gets on my tits, fat tongued git. Second only to Ramsay in my celebrity chefs book of hate.
 
 
Axolotl
11:43 / 02.10.06
Yes, I agree vegetable are cheap. But not everyone wants to be vegetarian, and it also requires a somewhat greater amount of effort and knowledge to be vegetarian and eat healthily: You can no longer just rely on "meat and two veg" to provide a relatively balanced diet.
I'm also not saying that campaigning for healthy eating isn't a good thing, or that even those behind the campaign have any hidden agendas. I'm just saying that in some hands it does pick up slightly classist undertones, for example the Daily mail states that working mothers are responsible for poor eating habits. So far so Daily Mail, but it is an example of how people can use this issue to pick on certain groups.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
04:42 / 03.10.06
What. The...

Gaaah! Where does the Guardian get these people and why does it pay them? (Or does it pay the Comment is Free creatures?)

The lack of high-up women in politics is... well, there's no glass ceiling, I'll tell you that - look, Maggie Thatcher shows it's "wide open". It's not that I'm saying they're rubbish politicians or anything, it's just... er... well, it must just be coincidence.

*Stabstabstab*
 
 
*
04:48 / 03.10.06
But not everyone wants to be vegetarian
And medically not everyone can be vegetarian, at least without outside assistance in the form of nutritional injections.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:35 / 03.10.06
I love the way that Martin Kettle uses a fictional woman to back up his case about real women in politics ("Well, Mrs Pritchard wins, so therefore there isn't a problem!") What about the fact that in the Conservative, Lib Dem and coming Labour leader elections there aren't any women standing? What about the fact the next American election might be the first time women stand for either of the top two jobs? Idiot!

I was going to post this elsewhere but as we're talking about Comment is Free I might as well add it here. Chief of the charmless bigots Stephen Green is not going to be charged with anything for distributing anti-gay leaflets at Cardiff Mardi-Gras. It's a bit 'grrr', he was also at Brighton Pride this year which suggests that he's spent more time at gay festivals than gay people, but I think Monbiot is right, a prosecution would have involved the laws we don't want the police to have.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
08:26 / 03.10.06
Thanks to the timer on my radio, I woke up this morning hearing about this. Another school shooting, this one targeting little Amish girls. I'm wavering between the "untamed hate" and "miserable" threads for this. I don't think there's a "stark horror" thread, but maybe I should start one.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
08:38 / 03.10.06
I was tipped over into hate when I witnessed the rather severe media intrusion into a society that very typically objects to having it's picture taken and swams of technology parking up on it's front doorstep.

Public domain is all well and good but FFS, where's the sensitivity here.

Well done world.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:46 / 03.10.06
Hey, they're pacifist luddites, what are they going to do about it? I believe it was Homer Simpson who said something along those lines... Has this case received more coverage than the other recent school shootings in the States?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
08:48 / 03.10.06
It's certainly the first one to lead the CBC (Canadian) national news. I hadn't heard about any since the Dawson shooting in Montreal, until this morning.
 
  

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