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Mysterious Transfer Student
09:37 / 27.04.07
(Threadswerve)

I'd like to bring something up for general discussion: where we might feel the show is going based on its continual and probably uncappable game-raising in terms of the powers and abilities of the characters and their foes.

It seems to me that if Bleach continues on for as long as we'd all hope it will - long enough to resolve all of the myriad narrative and character-based debts Kubo & staff have set up to date, in any case - the development of the characters' abilities will be forced to reach a series of progressively higher plateaux and suffer a concomitant risk of becoming stale. The acquisition of greater and stronger abilities and the dangers, allegiances and rivalries involved in so doing are intimately tied to character development and plot in this show, as has been acknowledged in this thread from the very start. With the turning of every storyline, Ichigo and friends acquire ever more awesome powers and greater mastery and understanding of their pre-existing powers, rendering them, as a collective, virtually invulnerable; therefore the writers of the show must continually raise the stakes by finding ever more powerful and deadly foes to pit them against.

This approach runs the risk of generating ennui in the audience akin to the feeling one encounters in the later stages of a Final Fantasy-style RPG... having acquired the rarest and most sensational abilities, equipment and items in the course of the various sidequests that modern RPGs like to offer us prior to the concluding act of the game, the player can sometimes feel positively overpowered when facing the storyline's final bosses, leading to a strong sense of anticlimax. I worry that Bleach will be unable to avoid a similar sense as the story arcs stack up.

I think that the Vaizard/Arrancar storyline, at this very early stage, offers quite a bit of promise for infusing a sense of difference and novelty into Bleach's occasionally stultifying Shinigami/Zanpakutou-focused powers mythos. Ichigo's internal monologue during his fight with Hiyori Sarugaki, telling himself that he just needed to watch her moves to figure out what he needed to know about suppressing his inner Hollow, seemed so obviously misguided that it made me eagerly anticipate how he was going to be proven wrong, and forced to learn something new and even threatening. The clash of entirely contradictory styles of fighting - Shinigami against non-Shinigami - was something worthwhile to emerge from the Bound arc, I think, and something I want to see repeated here. (The most exciting battles in that storyline - the fights involving Ishida and Rukia - involved protagonists who were dramatically underpowered or horribly outclassed, but that's a side issue.) We're all looking forward to the Chad and Ishida training plotlines in part, I think, because we can't quite feel the shape of what they'll involve.

I know next to nothing about martial arts, but I want to believe that someone who had only an intermediate understanding of aikido could overcome one who had an undisputed mastery of kung fu if the latter person couldn't anticipate what moves they'd pull. That's what I'm aiming to see here.

Sorry if this post is rambling and unfocused - there's plenty more I wanted to say, about the ways in which this show appeals based on its approach to fighting, conflict, martial arts (in a purely fantasy-based context) and interpersonal violence generally, and on a slightly different tack, the treatment of self-actualization and "strength" understood as the ability to unleash a righteous ass-whupping on your opponent - but I think that's more than enough from me for now.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
09:38 / 27.04.07
That little lilac dude is giving me The Fear.

Thanks to my verbosity we're on page seven at last! You'll never need to look at it again.
 
 
Seth
10:56 / 27.04.07
The Bound Arc did indeed have some very interesting fights. I'd also offer Orihime vs possessed Rukia as another example, a fight which really needed to end that way. It was a lovely counterbalance against the usual escalation to climax.

There's another precedent from martial arts movies that Bleach could opt for, the one that ends up sampled on the GZA album: that in the heat of the moment, when the battle becomes personal, techniques vanish and things become a vicious, angry brawl. We've seen scenes that approach this already, and it's certainly the way that Kenpachi seems to like fighting. No flash, no gimmicks, just swords and violence, and it's just as thrilling as when things go totally X-Men.

To an extent I think Kubo has already faced this problem as a writer, in that the fight sequences in Bleach could have already become stale with the power levels at their current level, even to the point of fifty episodes ago. His particular skill is that these external power plays aren't empty spectacle, they're peculiarly intimate displays of character and the relationships between characters. What people fight for, how they fight, what they know of themselves and their opponent, their fears, their internal conflict, is always writ large upon the battlefield. It's this decision that makes each battle fresh and exciting. People we care about are thrown together in different combinations and it's what we learn about them in the process that makes it all so compelling. I agree that if one were to remove this element the show would become stagnant very quickly, but given the vast backdrop of lies, secrets, hidden agendas, grudges and betrayals that has stacked up I'd be surprised if Kubo was even capable of losing his focus on character at this stage in the game. It seems that no matter who he pairs up for ruckus there will be some kind of rich subtext in place.

My concern is that so far he has been resistant to killing his heroes. Maiming them, stripping them of power, yes. Killing them, no. It's not like I want wholesale slaughter. But if you're going to set up a foe like the Arrancar, who are ostensibly Bleach's first major in-canon badder than bad guys, you need to feel as though there's genuine risk involved. We're overflowing with Shinigami to the extent that this is starting to feel a lot like the X-Men universe, an immense soap opera with too many plot and character strands to pursue at once. Unless Kubo is planning something very particular he seems too attached to his creations, and while I can understand him not wishing to lose something precious to him that's exactly the kind of creative decision that needs to happen in order to put us at the edge of our seats. I was gutted in the Bound Arc when Ichinose Maki was trounced by Kenpachi and cheered at his return to face Kariya. We need more of this, I feel.

My personal feelings surrounding the direction that the series is moving in revolve around the death of Soul Society, in that every major enemy and storyline so far has been about how they've become complacent and corrupt, adhering to tradition and in need of organisational shake-ups and reforms. Ichigo's very existence as an individual throws their system into doubt, his virtually single handed (I know his friends were there too, but the lions share of the whup ass was dished out by the Starwberry) assault on them in the SS Arc was quite aptly summed up by Byakuya as a battle against everything he stood for. Aizen's plan also fits this schema in that he is aiming to fuse the two polar extremes that Soul Society aims to keep separate and in balance, and here it's interesting that our hero and our villain both reflect this fusion of opposites.

Where Kubo is going with this and how he can satisfactorily tie up so many dangling character and plot threads remains to be seen. I have a feeling that things are building up to a full scale war and that a lot of material will be tied up in one humungous final battle, after which Bleach will either finish altogether or transform into Bleach 2.0, in which the playing field and allegiances are substantially altered (possibly a Bleach: The Next Generation, in which our cast move on to parent/grandparent status in the manner of Dragonball Z). Or it could go to movies, chorus repeat to fade, an option that I'm not sure I'd even be upset about given that these people all feel like my friends and I'd be more than happy to drop by and see them once in a while.
 
 
Seth
11:03 / 27.04.07
You know... for a final battle, imagine how absolutely fucking awesome it would be to see Aizen and Ichigo sealed in a vault of lethality stone with bare knuckle fist fighting as their sole option, everything that Isshin taught our hero as he grew up serving to level the playing field. It'd be like the character diven martial arts version of the dogfight at the end of Wrath of Khan.
 
 
Seth
20:41 / 29.04.07
Now this is interesting... I just rewatched Bleach 8 having finally got all my various DVDs back from Iggy and Imaginary Mice. In the very first scene of the episode, just as Grand Fisher is about to go to Karakura Town... who are those human shaped Hollows he's talking to?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
09:44 / 30.04.07
How very coincidental - I was just cheering myself up yesterday by watching some of the very earliest episodes. So fresh, so lively - I think we here sometimes get so drawn into the mythos and relationships that pervade this show and forget how wonderfully fluorescent and inventive it can be. Anything involving the hijinks of Ichigo's classmates or family can never fail to lift the spirits. And meeting characters such as Urahara again for the first time, knowing what comes later, is something approaching a rush.

So I fast forward to the opening of #8 to verify the comment above... lordy. If this is on the money, talk about the mother of all foreshadowings, a full two years from setup to payoff. It undermines my nebulous assumption that Aizen created the Arrancar using the stolen Hougyouku - they must have already existed in some perhaps less powerful form and were co-opted and amplified by him, as tools to do... whatever he's ultimately planning.

Boggle. Have I mentioned that I really love this show?
 
 
Red Concrete
17:23 / 30.04.07
Wow, I can't explain that in terms of what I assumed, either. The one that has a semi-close up might be Ulquiorra, based on the half-mask and its shape. I think I saw 4 of them - is that right?

Ooh, now I want to go back and watch everything again from the start! No, now I will do that. By the way, Seth - the DVDs you have - are they fansubs, and where's a good source (I've never bought any anime, I have to say..!).
 
 
Seth
19:20 / 30.04.07
Yeah, they're fansubs. Thing is they're from several different sources. It starts off with Lunar Anime, ends up with Dattebayo and goes through a third that I can't remember between the two (I think). Dattebayo is definitely better than Lunar. I can send you the email address of the guy I buy from, but I did notice a boxed set on the interwebnet of everything up to seventy one which I'm seriously considering getting, especially given that from some sellers it works out to about fifty quid.
 
 
Seth
09:37 / 03.05.07
Ooo, now this is interesting.

The Hollowisation process that Ichigo is going through is alarming in how underplayed it is. The focus of the battle is the internal, but the sudden flashes to his transformation within the barrier are horrible. The talon feet, the Eva style self regeneration, the inhuman sounds he's making, that vile mouth thing that came out of nowhere, the hole in his chest… it's not nice in the slightest. The more he loses the psychological battle, the more fucked up he's getting. It makes me wonder whether the amassed Vaizard really do have the power to kill him if they need to, no matter what they say.

Sadly I've been accidentally spoiled for some of the internal battle (searching for character names again), so the sudden appearance of Byakuya wasn't as surprising as it could have been. What was a shock was Kariya turning up, something that actually had me cheering (well, Ichigo's representation of Kariya anyway). I love that they're integrating the filler material with the main arc, and for the most part I think they're doing it rather well. What's more, the old Bount bastard delivered some of the most pertinent lines of the series so far, what seemed to amount to a description of Bleach in microcosm and quite strikingly close the philosophy behind Angel: the fight never ends. And he explicitly made the link between the large scale fights we've seen so far and interpersonal, relational conflicts. Excellent stuff.

So what exactly is happening here? What is the nature of Ichigo's regret? He was fighting for something but never took pleasure in the battle itself, the actual act of winning against the opponent? That he wishes that he could have attained his goals without having to hurt, maim and kill? That he would prefer a world without conflict? And what is the nature of this instinct that Hollow Ichigo refers to? Are we in Lord Kamina territory? Speaking as the Seth who is interested in things magical, physiological and psychological, I often do my best work in a kind of thoughtless space, without conscious consideration, particularly when drumming. Many people say something similar, in that the instant you start to think about what the hell you're doing you start to remove yourself from the physical act of doing it and start to wobble. It happens when I'm drumming, I've read accounts of mountain climbers whose focus is on paying as little attention to the fact that they're dangling a thousand feet above a ravine by their fingertips as possible.

I'm thinking that this is the kind of instinct that Hollow Ichigo is referring to. Interesting that he ties instinct to innovation, in his claims that Ichigo is just ripping off his fighting style. Also interesting was the reappearance of the bankai training ground, with the possible revelation that Ichigo passed that test by realising that none of the swords were Zangetsu. Was that in the original episode or is that new information? It's been about nine months since I saw that one.

I'm glad they're giving these issues the space they deserve, and I'm wondering what kind of Ichigo we'll be left with afterwards. It does rather feel like the rest of the Bleach universe has dropped away, but the unfamiliar nature of the Vaizard actually adds to the tone of what is happening. Ichigo asked for this, but hasn't been primed for exactly what would happen… which is a violation of his body and soul. It reminds me of something that A Bigger Boat said about Evangelion, that every fight scene was a rape scene.

I can't read your crazy sideways writing!
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
20:02 / 03.05.07
Wahh, it's like the writers read my comments last week about the problems latent in having the show perpetually spiral upwards in terms of greater conflicts and more sensational opponents, and wrote Kariya's dialogue with exactly those concerns in mind. Very freaky to have these issues addressed so precisely. Also very cool, particularly considering, as Seth just said, Kariya is a non-Kube character and presumably doesn't appear in this story's manga equivalent. (Red Concrete or someone who's reading it might be able to clue us in here.)

The "mundane" explanation of what's happening to Ichigo might be that his subconscious is helping him to cope with the stress of confronting his shadow by voicing the hitherto unexpressed doubts and fears he's had about his ability to fight, and its underside, his enormous capacity to do harm; placing them in the mouths of some of his greatest opponents. The psychological depth of Bleach certainly has never been so exposed as it is just now, and it's fitting that Seth should raise the spectre of Evangelion here. I have little more than a swimsuit-issue understanding of Jung, but the figures of Hollow-Zangetsu, Byakuya and Kariya seem to be being evoked in strongly archetypal terms designed to draw out Ichigo's inner conflict in the plainest way possible. Byakuya represents the absolute pinnacle of refinement and technique for a Shinigami; something that Ichigo, with his cobbled-together, poorly understood substitute powers, might be able to successfully oppose in battle but can never attain. Kariya, as leader and protector of a mismatched band of outcasts (and it's safe to say we're straying into X-Men territory here), might be someone Ichigo could learn from, but also represent what he could become if Soul Society were to declare war on him and his as it did on the Bount.

The Hollow's taunting speech about Ichigo's inability to embrace bloodlust and instinct won't be fully addressed until next week, most likely, when as the teaser promises, we get to meet the Zaraki Kenpachi that exists in Ichigo's mind. Unless I'm way off beam, I'm guessing that the prospect of the orange-haired one becoming a ravening atavistic killer will be bridged to lead to a reaffirmation of his true role as leader and protector - but in an unpredictable way. One certainty is that the reset button on this show is nowhere in sight.

Wow. Was that only twenty minutes?
 
 
Red Concrete
03:03 / 04.05.07
Neither Byakuya nor, obviously, Kariya appear in the manga in this sequence. I will suspend judgement on whether this is a good thing until I hear what Zaraki Kenpachi has to say next week.

Having rewatched the first 2 or 3 episodes now, I'm reminded of Ichigo's mother's death and his claim way back then to Rukia that he had killed her. Do you think some of this still lurks at the back of his mind? His fear that he may hurt someone.
 
 
Seth
15:43 / 09.05.07
Yeah. I wholeheartedly reckon it does.

Well, well. The Bleach rewatch continues apace, but what caught my attention was this expository exchange between our two heroes. It seems to shed an inordinate of light on what Ichigo is going through in episodes 123 and 124, and it can be found in episode 10 of all places. You know. The throwaway comedy episode with Don Kanonji…

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Rukia: That's the scream of an earth-bound ghost. Looks like there was one after all.

Ichigo: That's not the scream of a Hollow?

Rukia: You probably noticed there's a few patterns to a Hollow's vocalisations. One of those is made by an earth-bound ghost with a strong attachment to this world as it degrades into a Hollow while being neglected. Like this one.

Ichigo: So he's…

Rukia: … a plus on its way to becoming a Hollow. A demi-Hollow.

Ichigo: He does feel similar to a Hollow, but he doesn't have that white mask-type thing. And the hole in his chest isn't completely open yet.

Rukia: The hole in a Hollow's chest is a mark that they have lost their heart and become an embodiment of instinct. The white skull-shaped mask is a barrier to protect the exposed instinct from the physical world. Neither are necessary objects when one has a heart. When a person dies, their chain of fate is severed from the body. They normally just wait for a Shinigami's guidance. But those who have regrets in this world are chained down by the object of those regrets.

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See what I mean? Link up everything Rukia is saying here about regrets and instinct to what Ichigo is learning via Hollow Ichigo and his internal representations of Byakuya and Kariya. It seems the process for a Vaizard to come to terms with their Hollow nature is very similar to that of a normal plus soul turning into a Hollow, something that isn't at all surprising but speaks volumes for this show's commitment to internal consistency. But it gives us no clue as to how Ichigo can go through all this and remain in control of the process at the final hurdle.
 
 
Seth
00:33 / 10.05.07
Dattebayo have Bleach 125 up and running. Again, I love shift work at times like these.
 
 
Seth
09:05 / 10.05.07
Wow. That was something else.

I'm very glad that Ichigo's battle with the Hollow/Zangetsu ended the way it did, with his antagonist only temporarily subdued to his will. It's important that the fight never ends, that he faces an ongoing inner conflict and is always at odds with himself. If he'd safely conquered his inner struggle it just wouldn't have rung true and the rest of the series would limp by with a hero who was paradoxically tamed and neutered through defeating his ultimate foe, himself. I doubt Bleach is a show that will go for self-acceptance and integration as an acceptable path, it's all about the psychology of warfare after all.

And then there was the second half of the episode. Seeing as how Aizen is a crafty bastard I don't necessarily trust any of the revelations made here about his plan. Yes, the stakes are high, I wouldn't be surprised if he still sought to wipe out Karakura Town, I wouldn't be surprised if he were going to take out the King, but I just don't trust that he'd leave an easy trail unless he were sure that he'd covered himself.

That aside, Soul Society has a King! An absent, figurehead King. There are a lot of implications to this and I'm already running demiurge scenarios through my head. I also have a suspicion that we may have met him already, but that's pure speculation to the stage at which I barely want to mention who I reckon it is. I'm probably way, way wrong.

The return of Momo Hinamori bought a tear to my eye. She's another narrative debt that I was hoping to God wouldn't be squandered, and here again Kubo proves that your faith in his writing is justified. She's a great character, she's the one who has probably suffered the most at the hands of Aizen and I'm really interested in what she has to say for herself. The other moment that made me stop in my tracks was when Yamamoto referred to Inoue Orihime by her full name. He not only knows her, he respects her enough to tell her important information and recognises the importance of everything she's done. Such a wonderfully understated split second motherload of information.

And yes! Now we're Aiming for the Top! post credits. Lessons in Arrancar science delivered by that grinning evil fucker Ichimaru Gin. Fan bliss.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
13:03 / 10.05.07
The Hinamori subplot from back then was heartbreaking. Makes you remember just what a bastardly villain Aizen really is.

Her reappearance slots a few things into place, as I'd been nursing some slightly unhappy notions that the Soul Society team sent to Karakura for this story arc had been selected for character popularity rather than narrative coherence. But rewatching the earlier part of the series - funny how we're all doing that - reminded me of a few things I'd forgotten about, not least Hitsugaya's feelings for Hinamori and the as yet unexplained relationship between Matsumoto and Gin. All stuff I'm now eagerly looking forward to seeing explored.

Biggest airpunch: Chad is training with Renji! Two characters who haven't been associated up until now, which makes Urahara's decision to put them together seem wonderfully counterintuitive. Again, though, is Renji using his bankai because he needs it to spar with Chad properly - in which case, wow, Chad is already nearly at captain-class without us realising - or was that just coolness for its own sake?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:53 / 10.05.07
Demiurges! Absent deities! Gnosticism in Bleach!

Oh dear.

I'm willing to bet £20 that when we finally open the gates to the castle, it's empty, and has been ALL ALONG.

I'm glad Kenpachi turned up in the inner battle, I'm fairly certain that's the only time I've seen something like that coming, I'm quite proud.
 
 
Seth
13:32 / 12.05.07
Again, though, is Renji using his bankai because he needs it to spar with Chad properly - in which case, wow, Chad is already nearly at captain-class without us realising - or was that just coolness for its own sake?

Chad can take a lot of pounding, and I don't think that Renji is the kind who would beat on him unnecessarily. The implication is that they have been fighting for a long time, and while Renji seems in no danger of being hurt he certainly seems to have required his bankai in order to wear him down.

We've seen Chad take on a lot of low rank Shinigami separately and seen him be totally mullered by a captain and an Arrancar, and very nearly killed by Grimmjow. We've never seen him go toe to toe with a lieutenant, much less a lieutenant capable of bankai, so it's tough to gauge his power.

Perhaps this has been set up by Urahara as mutually beneficial. One thing seems sure, Renji isn't having an easy time of it, and from someone who is used to sparring that says a lot. Nicely compressed scene, a good deal covered without a lot of talking it through.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
11:30 / 17.05.07
Episode 126: “Uryuu vs. Ryuuken! Clash of the Parent-Child Quincys.”

Interesting... and kinda cool... that after being led to expect more of a focus on Chad this week, we have half an episode of him training his ass off and learn next to nothing about what's going on in his mind. Instead, we have an assload of incredible juicy, teasing interaction between Renji and Urahara.

Master Hat's ploy of making Renji train Chad under the pretext of earning his keep seems to be the beginning of his and the writers' strategy to cause several plot threads to be resolved at once. If Urahara's bankai isn't suitable for training with an opponent, just what is it? Does it have something to do with the reason for his exile from Soul Society? Does he really mean to answer anything Renji asks him or is that just bait to get yet another powerful fighter under his control? Renji's questions, given where his sympathies lie, are bound to be about Rukia and her relationship with the Hougyoku, raising the possibility of the origins of Ichigo's powers being settled once and for all. And most maddeningly of all, Urahara compares Chad's powers to... whom? Someone we already know? No one springs to mind.

The material with Orihime confronting Ichigo was interesting too for her perspective on him. After she tells him of Aizen's plan, she reflects on how unfazed he is, simply viewing the threat as his latest challenge. Orihime seems to see Ichigo as an almost one-dimensional, singly focused person, solely devoted to fighting and protecting, yet's she's affectionate toward him without underestimating his intelligence. She really is the focus for what the writers want to express about feminine compassion and tenderness (I admit I'm on incredible dodgy ground here).

Lots more to say about Hitsugaya x Hinamori, the Vizards, and of course Ishida Jr., but I'm short on time here. Back later.
 
 
Seth
16:53 / 17.05.07
I found 126 to be disturbing in a very weird, unsettling manner that I've never previously encountered with Bleach. I feel like I've just had the rug pulled out from under me. This series that in the last year has become a very dear, familiar friend to me has become suddenly unfamiliar. I don't know whether it's just because I'm tired to the point of collapse... but I feel like perhaps I haven't understood anything.

Every strand of the previously familiar friendship group that got us this far (Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, Ishida, Rukia) seems fractured. Ichigo seems like a school friend who has gone to a different college and is hanging out with people who, while seeming trustworthy, are still an unknown quantity. Orihime doesn't bat an eyelid about walking into what could be a lion's den. Chad is impassive and silent as ever, but similarly to Orihime we're told that his power is something unsettlingly other, something that backstage mastermind Uruhara is only just being able to puzzle out. Ishida is apparently at his father's whim, cast about in the hands of a Quincy who is clearly not telling him anything. And Rukia, the series' emotional anchor point, the one who has always been the Ichigo's guiding light, is horribly absent during an elongated training session that seems to be turning Ichigo into someone else entirely.

Am I wrong about that last point? Ichigo seems so oblivious to what his crisis - and the manner in which he's going about resolving it - is doing to his friends. Rukia is worried about him, has looked all over for him. Chad was cast aside, admittedly for his own protection, but I've never seen that dependable, stoic lunk of a man's heart so broken as when he thought he wasn't going to be fighting back to back with his friend. Orihime seems freshly invigorated so soon after being caught up in her jealousy of Rukia (again, Ichigo's preference), as though the faith that Yamamoto has clearly placed in her has changed the way she thinks about herself. And Ishida... god knows what's going on in his head. He wants his powers back, but his motivation is missing, especially considering the dangerous parental game he's caught up in.

And now Urahara is something else again. What is his bankai? To what end is he manipulating Renji? Is Renji also being trained here, is that why he's matched the two together? Would Renji accept that he needs to train further, especially if it were Urahara that told him (after what he did to Rukia), especially considering he has already attained bankai? To whom is Urahara comparing Chad?

Ultimately Orihime and Chad both received their powers from Ichigo. To a lesser extent, so have Tastuki and Asano. These characters were only introduced in the series after Urahara supplied the Hōgyoku-hiding faux body to Rukia, although I don't know whether that speculation holds any relevance at all. We do know that the nature of Orihime's powers has been hinted at since they were first revealed (way back in Bleach's teens), in which they were introduced as techniques that change the reality on either side of the barrier. Meanwhile we could speculate that Ichigo owes much of his power to his Dad, whose particularly interesting relationship with Ichigo's mum has only been felt many years after the event of her death. Are there further secrets concerning his mother? Can Ichigo's power be fully attributed to his pure line of Shinigami descent via Isshin, or is something else at play?

And into the mix we have the notion of a King absent from Soul Society. We already know of three characters who are absent from Soul Society, all of whom took up residence in Karakura town many years ago. And one of them is a woman who turns into a talking and seemingly male black cat and an ex-captain of 2nd Division so I guess we can count her out (unless Bleach is playing fast and loose with gender signifiers, which it certainly is, but would it with the term *King?*)... the second used to captain 12th Division, and that's probably enough of a reveal to count him out. The other is...

... ahem. That's quite enough of that speculation.

Lots of other good stuff here. What is the source of Mashiro's seemingly innate Vaizard endurance? For what reason was Orihime summoned so urgently - are we to assume that either Renji, or Chad, or both have been badly hurt? Or does Urahara believe her briefing on Yamamoto's message will galvanise them?

And last but not least, one of the strongest scenes that the series has produced so far was the conversation between Hitsugaya and Hinamori. Poor, poor Hinamori. The shot of Yamamoto removing her strained past breaking consciousness as she stared insanely through his wizened fingers... that was brutal.

I need to watch that episode again. I think I will tomorrow.
 
 
Seth
16:55 / 17.05.07
What does Renji want to ask Urahara?
 
 
Red Concrete
17:42 / 17.05.07
Loads of really good questions there, on Sado and Inoue especially. I'd like the answer too. I thought it was telling that the split-second next scene after Urahara asks himself what is similar to Chad's power, is a close-up of Ichigo in his Hollow-mask.

You can tell that things are being shaken up, alright... The storyline, the world, of Bleach is just huge. I wonder if it's too big, because not only can I not see the edges of it, I'm not even sure I know who the neighbours are.
 
 
Seth
09:52 / 21.05.07
Feck. No Bleach this week. The next episode will air on May 30th.
 
 
Seth
21:12 / 22.05.07
Although I'll be experiencing bad Bleach withdrawal this week it's nice to know that when everyone else' favourite shows end their seasons shortly - if they haven't already - we'll still be up and running. A much more civilised way of doing things.
 
 
Seth
22:51 / 24.05.07
She really is the focus for what the writers want to express about feminine compassion and tenderness (I admit I'm on incredible dodgy ground here).

Tell me more about this. We happen to have the luxury of a thread that unbelievably only about five people seem to be reading and contributing so we might have space to be able to question Kubo's writing in a manner that is more... gentle than usually experienced on Barbelith on issues of gender. What do you reckon he's getting at?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
05:19 / 25.05.07
Perhaps I over-egged that earlier statement, but it occurred to me that during the earlier run of the show that Orihime seemed like a character who'd been written to be almost exclusively 'feminine' if not girly. All her character traits seem to revolve around softness, nurturing, compassion and healing, especially as expressed in her spirit abilities (three parts protection, two parts healing, only one part harm). Another series would have given her a more tomboyish persona, maybe made a character like Tatsuki (with whom, don't forget, Ichigo initially had a closer friendship) the second female lead. She stands out in an unremittingly martial shonen show like Bleach for this reason, yet I paradoxically don't consider that her worth ever gets downgraded or sidelined; she's also the focus for a lot of the show's most memorable comedy and action moments.

If Bleach was more Buffy-esque than it is the writers would probably have used her close connection to Ichigo to set up a fully fledged love triangle with Rukia, treating Orihime as someone with whom Ichigo can let go of his fighter's persona and express his softer side, while hardening Rukia into her warrior-maiden aspect. That the series has never yet gone down that road, while still keeping all three characters fully formed is a tribute to the writers' ability to make Bleach distinctively its own show.
 
 
Seth
16:42 / 25.05.07

One of my favourite things about Orihime, in fact the main argument against her being a bland girly cipher, is that you can see in her history why she is the way she is. She's been surrounded by death since her parents died when she was a child, her brother died with their last shared memory being an argument and haunted her in the years since. She's fifteen and her brother died three years before the first episode (I think), so we can fairly assume she was abandoned and left to live on her own for most of that time. She's had an irreplaceable portion of her childhood taken from her and so even a running joke about her cooking bizarre meals has a long back story of sadness behind it: she never learned what went well together, still eats the kind of things a child would think to make. What happened with her brother taught her the possible consequences of letting the sun go down on your anger, and so she's always the peacemaker.

It's this that makes her work so well. These characteristics aren't used as typical signifiers of femininity with Orihime… they're just signifiers of Orihime, nothing further. We're shown why she is like that. There are a great many female characters who are not like her in the slightest, probably the closest are Retsu Unohana and Momo Hinamori, but Inoue is goofier, funnier and more awkward than either. She's more perceptive than Hinamori and doesn't share the obsessive streak that allowed Aizen to manipulate her. She's also a lot more open than Unohana, who while certainly possessing her own deeply held principles and agenda is content to remain in the background. Remember, Renji would be dead were it not for her acting on her own accord, but she's never made a big thing out of it or asked anything of him. Orihime would probably have sought to be his friend, in that she very understandably seeks a level of intimacy from people due to being such a solitary character.

It's these fine shades of character that are so fascinating in Bleach. The characters come out through their relationships with each other, and so even characters who might seem of a type (Ichigo, Renji and Ikkaku, for example) are clearly wholly different people in how they react to each other and the rest of the cast.
 
 
Seth
18:12 / 26.05.07
Having just seen rewatched the episodes that feature Ichigo's fights with Abarei Renji and Madarame Ikkaku the differences between each are defined quite sharply, but only in contrast to each other.

Ikkaku takes life a hell of a lot less seriously than Ichigo. He's amoral, without even a code of his own. Essentially he loves to fight and will fight for nothing other than the joy of fighting. His entire style is about enjoyment, layers of subterfuge and feints in his behaviour. It's worth noting that after the battle is done he appears to be helping Ichigo, but what he's actually doing is gathering intelligence in order to funnel him into a trap for Kenpachi. This dovetails rather well with the notion of Ikkaku throwing the fight deliberately (it wouldn't necessarily be out of character, he may well be that perverse), although I'm personally now of the opinion that he lost out of complacency. It seems he's learned from that.

Renji stands in contrast to Ichigo by being far more conflicted, with his eye on far too many people except himself. He wants to impress Rukia. He wants to surpass Byakuya, probably again to impress Rukia. He's jealous of Ichigo, even when they're allies they're rivals. And now who knows what's going on with Urahara...? Ichigo's only compass is himself and what he wants, and any moments of doubt are quickly quashed and overcome.

Renji is much more insecure. He's so caught up with wanting to be accepted that he plays the Soul Society game too far. Ichigo is far more narrow minded and far more focused as a result. He sets his sights on one thing, that he determines as a result of his own principles, and bloody mindedly works at it in order to win it, regardless of any of the chaos he causes in his wake.

Interesting how Kubo seems to favour the uncomplicated characters in his writing. I'm not saying that Ichigo isn't multifaceted: there's a lot to him. It's more that his actions and choices seem determined by a very clear and simple set of principles.

Kubo seems to be saying that there are very few people with that kind of congruence and direction to them, and that they're the people who will change the world according to what they want. Everyone else is too busy worrying about what other people are doing or too busy fighting themselves.
 
 
Seth
14:10 / 31.05.07
127 is up.

I'm increasingly thinking that Urahara may be less on top on things than he appears to be. Yes, he's a schemer. Yes, he seems to have set up a lot of circumstances and contingencies. But please, can't he just tell it straight for once? I'd be willing to bet that his eagerness to keep Orihime from the front lines is because he's twigged that Aizen has an interest in her. He wants to keep her as far away from him as possible. So why can't he just come out and say it? Surely she'd be safer that way? Or is this reverse psychology to get her to fight?

Of course it's impossible to know whether he's a mastermind or whether he's scrabbling frantically in the dark without knowing what game he's playing and how much he knows. I'm convinced that he's in league with the Vaizard because they're using one of his training grounds and Shinji's insider knowledge is otherwise inexplicable. I wouldn't be surprised if he was responsible for their Hollowisation via the same techniques that he used with Ichigo. Again, that would place him in overall charge of all three kids' training as he was before the Rukia rescue mission.

I feel so protective over the Shun Shun Rikka, even over Tsubaki. It makes sense that Orihime can regenerate them even if they're destroyed, as all six are aspects of her. This is why I'm also confident that she is capable of holding her own in battle, as Tsubaki is a manifestation of her own will to fight. Thus far we've only ever seen her in conflict with him because she's only wielded him half-heartedly, and again here Bleach seems to be saying that inner congruence is the only means to winning whatever battles you may face. It's one's resolve that counts most in any fight, which in part explains why Kenpachi and Ichigo are so bastard hard.

Interesting that her hairpins are compared to a Zanpakuto, but where most Shinigami are in partnership with their swords Orihime is a whole miniature community. Her power is three parts defensive, two parts healing and one part offensive… but what unites all these aspects is that her true power is the manipulation of reality itself within a localised area. Hinagiku, Lily and Baigon reject the reality outside the triangular shield; Ayame and Shun'ō reject the reality inside the shield and heal through manipulating spacetime to make it as though injuries never occurred; and Tsubaki is enveloped in a double barrier that cuts through anything on either side. Her power reflects the differing aspects of her personality and I suspect that she won't unlock her true power until she can negotiate a consensus from all these different voices.

Some fascinating words from Hachi… that Orihime's powers share similarities with his and the aforementioned hairpins/Zanpakuto parallel. Red Concrete said I thought it was telling that the split-second next scene after Urahara asks himself what is similar to Chad's power, is a close-up of Ichigo in his Hollow-mask. Chad, Orihime, Asano and Tatsuki all seem to be effected by Ichigo's power… do all four have Vaizard-aping abilities because of him? Lest that seem like an overstatement with the latter two remember what happened with Asano in this episode. He blocked Matsumoto's kick and held his posture despite being knocked back. He can see Shinigami. Something's going on there, eh?

And now for some speculation, albeit speculation informed by the opening credits and next episode previews. In the preview for 128 we're told that Rukia is about to be ordered back to Soul Society, but in the opening credits she's shown racing across the wilderness of Hueco Mundo with Ichigo et al. So much is shown of Orihime with Aizen that I think it's more or less certain that he's going to nab her at some point in the probably very near future, and so I'm wondering whether Rukia's commitment in this episode is going to leave her feeling sufficiently responsible that she'll run rogue from Soul Society for a second time in order to save her friend.

In fact I'm generally worried for Rukia at the moment, in that she's currently left on the outside of a lot of intelligence and relationships. I reckon she'll give the Strawberry a piece of her mind when she next sees him, cunningly hidden under another less revealing excuse for her to be angry at him. Either that or she'll go all understated and quiet. She's holed up in Ichigo's house with a talking cuddly toy, an insane temporary pilot for her faux body, a cry-eye kid who's trying to fill the gap left behind by her dead mother, the psychic equivalent of Darlene out of Roseanne and Ichigo's superpowered paedophile dad…

God I love this series.

Yammy's a bastard innit? Killing the person who healed him, on a whim, for no useful purpose or reason… what a cunt.
 
 
Seth
14:29 / 31.05.07
Hmmm. Now here's a detail that was skirted over very quickly: Matsumoto stopping by to brief Urahara. But isn't he persona non grata with the SS crew?

My peoples... if you with me, where you at? I feel like I'm talking to myself here.
 
 
Red Concrete
15:43 / 31.05.07
I just had to watch 127 before work this morning, Which meant I've been rushing around trying to catch up all day.

Urahara, I suspect, was trying on the do-it-or-die pedagogical approach that he has used to motivate Ichigo and others before (remember the three tests that Ichigo was thrown into to manifest his own his Shinigami powers). Unfortunately it didn't work with Orihime, possibly because her offensive, attacking aspect was damaged, or hidden, until Tsubaki was restored. Maybe the Six Flowers, being extensions of her personality, can in turn affect her personality, through what happens to them. But back to Uruhara... it took Rukia and then the Vaizard to get Orihime to decide to fight alongside her friends, which makes me think that Urahara is a bit of a clumsy chancer without a plan. Unless he is in fact really, really evil, which is possibile, perhaps, but I'm not convinced. Like you said, re Matsumoto, I think that him being evil would implicate a lot of people, not only in Soul Society - but even Kurosaki senior...?

That said, sometimes I wonder if there isn't some mastermind that has planned absolutely everything we've seen so far. I'm re-watching, but only at episode 20. Gin and Kenpachi seemed pretty close on their first appearance. And I still wonder about Byakuya, about Kurotsuchi Mayuri, and even General Yamamoto...

Chad's defense of Orihime I found quite touching. I think the division between Orihime's powers might also be manifest in Chad - remember his super-arm first manifested as a defensive feature. I can't wait for the others' powers to fully manifest!

I won't go into your speculation, but Orihime and her new-found determination are going to be a big plot driver.
 
 
Red Concrete
15:46 / 31.05.07
I can't wait for the others' powers to fully manifest!

That's not a spoiler by the way, just in case someone thinks it sounds like one.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:54 / 31.05.07
My peoples... if you with me, where you at? I feel like I'm talking to myself here.

We haven't watched it yet. More important business came up.

In other news Bleachportal has a link to a bittorrent of a fansubbed version of the BLEACH ROCK MUSICAL.

I can't find direct download links so I'm super-pissed, I'm beginning to think that the fine for using bittorrent might be worth it, who needs to eat anyway?
 
 
Seth
16:09 / 31.05.07
More important business came up.

You can't mean... that a decent quality Memories of Nobody has finally been fansubbed?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
17:18 / 31.05.07
Memories of Nobody

Last I heard was 27th of June for the DVD in Japan. Should take a week or so after that, so we should have a copy for the Busterthon.

But did I mention BLEACH ROCK MUSICAL?

Can anyone lend a hand by uploading it somewhere I can download it, or burning it to a DVD for me?
 
 
hachiman
18:20 / 31.05.07
Joy is:

Sitting down with junk food in front of a computer and watching the first 60 odd episodes in one sitting.


Oh my Gawd this show is great. That first episode gets a smile out of me no matter how bad my day gets.

On a slightly less lunatic note, have seen eps115 to 125.
I am so glad they got to go back to the manga, which i havent been reading, started on the show so i mean to keep on that way.

Lastly seth and everybody else, thanks for keeping this thread alive. Your speculations and musings are much appreciated by the barbelith neophyte.
 
  

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