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Seth
18:34 / 30.03.07
As for 120, that whole scene with the three stooges was just slotted in, and I thought was a little superfluous.

Agreed. For me it was not only superfluous, but also mishandled Renji. Then again...

The Ururu scene was in the manga (207), and the term 'kill mode' (not 'protection'), is used.

The latest issue of the manga was 268, right? And previously we've seen adaptations to anime at the rate of three issues to one episode. To do the math, at the old rate of adaptation we'll have seen up to 268 in just twenty episodes, probably getting there around August. By then we'll only have another twenty issues to play with, which means another six or seven episodes. At the rate at which the Soul Society arc was adapted we'll have caught up again in thirty episodes time at most.

But... adding touches of filler here and there to pad out the storyline gives us substantially more to play with. From what you're saying, last episode used just one issue as its basis. I'm just hoping that the quality of the added material won't arse up the rest of what's happening. The Yumichika/Ikkaku/Kenpachi stuff last episode was great, Renji's role seemed a little odd. And again here. If this is consistent with future characterisation of Renji from that's adapted from the comic then fine, we'll see how it fits together. For now he seems both watered down and like too many hands are involved, none of whom have a clear vision for him.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:05 / 08.04.07
Has anyone else heard the Memories of Nobody OST? (Would anybody like a copy?)

I'm almost finished listening to it. It's a weird animal.

Shiro Sagisu, the Series' composer is still on board, and a few familiar Bleach themes are hidden here and there, but it's unlike anything we've heard before from the series. Mostly thats because it's recorded by a full live orchestra, and occasionally a choir.

I'm wondering how much of the regular series' music is going to make it onto the film alongside it.

The definite High Point is the Live band recording of Ultra-Cheesy Wail-along "Number One", the Low Point is a version of the same song in which MC Malicious Gravy does a very bad job of freestyling.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:19 / 09.04.07
Well, boredom during the Bound arc and technical issues had seen me absent from this thread, but I just now caught up! And I'm very glad to have returned to this show, there's not another quite like it. The revelations about Ishida and Kurosaki péres were both surprising and natural-seeming, but both are now firmly on the back burner while we get into the 'new story arc, so we'll introduce two or three dozen new characters and let you get intrigued about each and every one of them' swing of things.

This is important to me as it hearkens back to one of the moments when I first realized this show was a keeper: the first glimpse of the Captains of the Thirteen Divisions, looking at buckethead Komamura and freakshow Mayuri and Shunsui Kyōraku in his fancy pink coat, and thinking, "Who the hell are these guys??" And knowing instinctively that in every case we were going to get to find out. There's a similarly vertiginous feeling with the shadowed Arrancar (particularly eyeball-crushin' Ulquiorra ... that guy kinda gives me the willies already) and Shawlong's ominous explanation of their ranking system that causes me to think this is going to be a great storyline; plus, Grimmjow Jaggerjack has to be hands down the best name for a nasty, swaggering, cocksure villain I've heard in quite a while.

Other points of interest:

- Chappy is great! Just what we need: another dorky pest of a mod soul character.

- Rukia's shikai is kind of sexy all in its own right, and holds out all sorts of promise for battles involving her in the future.

- The one thing in this story so far that I've found really disquieting: Chad's revelation of self-doubt as he flees the fight on Ichigo's instruction. It's the first time we've seen him show misgivings over no longer being able to be the little citrus-headed squirt's bodyguard and strong right arm. Hope he doesn't feel useless for long; but then he doesn't have a Rukia in his life to kick the motivation back into him. This needs to be taken up in future episodes for me not to get disappointed again.

- More of Hirako and Sarugaki soon, please! Because we want what Bleach does best, characters who can switch between threat, comedy and bathos at a moment's notice; and these two seem to have lots of potential. (Also they have kind of a pleasing Jamie Hewlett feel in the design stakes, unless that's just me.)

- Finally, and most importantly, I've discovered that I'm extremely shallow; because Rangiku Matsumoto in her school uniform has just exactly the same effect on me as it does on every male in the show who lays eyes on her. What a disappointing and yet somehow bearable bit of self-insight.
 
 
Seth
15:30 / 10.04.07
Yeah, Matsumoto is doing it for me too. Which is strange, because she just isn't my type, I'm still head over heels for Lark/Lal'C (hate the proper spelling) and Rukia. I cannot quite believe I'm posting all this in public and am sure that somewhere there is a cost to doing so that I'm not aware of.

I'm sure they'll return to Chad. Hell, I need them to return to Chad. I love him too much. What makes me sure is that Kubo's been at pains to set up crises with all of Ichigo's school friends, even two that didn't accompany him to Soul Society. He's set up a debt that he simply has to honour later.

Nice to have you back on this thread Lee.
 
 
Seth
15:32 / 10.04.07
Oh, and I would definitely like a copy of the Memories of Nobody OST. Any word on when we'll be able to watch it?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:13 / 10.04.07
Thanks, it's nice to be back, especially with the show hotting up so very nicely.

I cannot quite believe I'm posting all this in public and am sure that somewhere there is a cost to doing so that I'm not aware of.

Dude, don't worry about it; we understand. Anyway, it's always been my belief that no one should feel bad about being attracted to cartoon characters since your chance of ever meeting, deeply emotionally connecting with or having a sweaty, inconclusive bus-shelter fumble with them is neither greater nor smaller, in real-world interactivity terms, than doing any of the above with Dita Von Teese, Tadanobu Asano or Your Lust Icon of Choice.

Now, maybe I shouldn't have written that... not because it was an overshare or because of any potential karmic fallout, but because it involved way too much punctuation... and Decrescent Daytripper would probably have expressed it much more stylishly than I.

Anyway, Bleach! I've now begun downloading some of the episodes I missed (84-98) as I want the full story on Rukia's grave injuries. That's my number one bone of contention with this bloody show, it keeps on putting its best female character in a prison cell or hospital bed for (real-world) months at a time.
 
 
Seth
19:30 / 10.04.07
Agreed. It's like Kubo sits around asking himself how he's going to raise the stakes, then just says, "Fuck it, let's just kick the shit out of Rukia again."
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:03 / 10.04.07
A dodgy recording of MON is floating around over the internet, but we won't see a fansubbed version untill the fansubbers get their hand's on a DVD copy which has a listing at Amazon.co.jp, but no release date that I can see.

New music and Rukia's Shikai (No argument that it is best I assume?) was what I was jonesing for, so the wait has become slightly less gruelling for me.

If we're the type of forum to justify filthy desire of Cartoon characters to ourselves (I enjoy Soi-Fon), can we have an argument over who's Shikai and Bankai are best?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:41 / 10.04.07
(Rubs hands with glee) Trivia! Yes!

I've always been impressed with the Shikai of Third Division Vice-Captain Kira Izuru's zanpakutou, Wabisuke (lit. 'Miserable Man', translated as 'Apologizer' in some versions). It's not as flashy as some other attacks, but how could you possibly expect to defend against a weapon that doubles the weight of whatever it strikes with every parry until the sheer cumulative weight of your own blade forces you to your knees? That is so simple it's pure class.

Fave-rave Bankai? Again, not such a populist choice either for the character or his weapon, but loathsome technocrat Mayuri Kurotsuchi and his hideous, toxic-waste-breathing giant crawling baby bodhisattva juggernaut will always have a place in my heart just on shock value alone. The first time Konjiki Ashisogi Jizō reared its head over the ever-unfortunate Ishida, I couldn't help but exclaim all but out loud: "Four-eyes is toast!"
 
 
Red Concrete
21:53 / 10.04.07
"Fuck it, let's just kick the shit out of Rukia again."

Sadly true - she doesn't really get a chance to shine, does she? It was around this stage of the manga that I felt a first pang of disappointment with the writing...
 
 
Seth
06:02 / 11.04.07
Rukia always shines to me. I'd just prefer it if she weren't constantly getting shafted.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:41 / 11.04.07
At the last minute I'm afraid I'm going to have to change my preference of shikai to Byakuya Kuchiki's Senbonzakura's, which is fairly flashy.

IIRC his is the first majorly powerful Shikai we see? It might not be, either way it's left a fairly potent mark on me.

It fits him perfectly, he just stands there stoically, practically whispers "Scatter, a thousand cherry blossoms" and watches as dancing pink light cuts you to bits. Devestating, beautiful, quiet, sexy.

Special mention for Rukia's, which hasn't had a chance to grow past it's amazing debut, and Ryūjin Jakka's REDUCE THE WHOLE OF CREATION TO SMOLDERING ASHES!

Unfortunately I'm going to be very dissapointing and Plump for Ichigo's Bankai as my favourite. Tensa Zangetsu (天鎖斬月, heavenly chains moon cutter) is the perfect synthesis of (substitute) shinigami and Zanpakutou, of course, it's the only sword we've met at length, but the point stands.

Despite being by far the most understated Final Release we've seen, it's the only one to have illicited a vocal reaction of awe.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:23 / 12.04.07
#121 is up... and I sort of feel I haven't the right to post about an episode before we've all seen it, after having been away from the thread for so long... but I already like the new opening and close, and Renji was more himself this week.

Gnnh - this episode was about a hundred times more exciting than what I just wrote. Get watching it!
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:35 / 12.04.07
Saw it hours ago, slack fool.

Definitely my favourite episode for a while

An amazing episode, I could spend ages talking about how much I loved it. But I fear others will do it in a far better way.

I'd much rather them make 15 minutes episodes to avoid filler, rather than repeat so many scenes and rely so heavily on visual gags that go on forever.
 
 
Red Concrete
10:39 / 13.04.07
Oh yes, HOURS ago. Practically as soon as Dattebayo put it up!

Being a manga-reader I won't comment on content of the episode, or the opening sequence, but I love the new tune!
 
 
Essential Dazzler
10:42 / 13.04.07
Tension.... who will comment?
 
 
Seth
14:08 / 13.04.07
I'll bite.

Firstly, the animation was absolutely fucking stunning this week. Particularly in the fight with Grimmjow, the way the latter was dancing, no, scratch that swaggering around Ichigo as he was so clearly on the ropes/demolished crash barrier, or the way he just flew into the attack, fighting in ways we haven't seen before. This is the best animation the series has yet seen, I believe.

I have to admit to being disappointed with how Shawlong, Ilfort and Nakim were taken out. At the moment it doesn't feel to me as though the Arrancar are living up to their build up, although admittedly we've only seen what seems to be the weaker ones in combat. Grimmjow is clearly bastard hard (above Captain class), the same probably goes for Ulquiorra (although I'm basing that on his demeanor rather than hard evidence), and we can be sure that Tousen is now an even nastier opponent than Grimmjow (which will also be true for Gin, and we know that Aizen was the strongest captain even before his transformation). But so far the victories have all belonged to our heroes, however pyrrhic they may have been. While I wasn't necessarily expecting the death of any Shinigami I do think that with so many major Soul Society players Kubo could have afforded to go a little bit more Morlock Massacre.

Limit release seems a rather one shot deal, and I can't imagine it being used again now that it's been determined that an underpowered Shinigami won't last long against an Arrancar.

So really, besides a totally hilarious at-home-with-the-Asanos sequence, some kick ass action and the return of Tousen, we haven't learned anything new here. Nice to see Tatsuki on the sidelines again, but again this is more of the same for her. But next week promises to be much more interesting, with the return of the Quincies and what appears to be Ichigo in training with the Vaizard cast. These are the narrative debts I'm interested in, Ichigo's mates imploding, family tensions, Ichigo coming to terms with himself. All this fighting seems just a prelude to some much meatier material.

The new opening and closing themes = brilliant. More singing Mod Souls please, and some interesting foreshadowing that seems reminiscent of the Soul Society arc credits.

Hey - what colour shall we paint our nails?
 
 
Red Concrete
16:14 / 13.04.07
carrot
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
16:50 / 13.04.07
The sequence with Asano bringing 11th Division's finest home to nee-san made me laugh out loud for quite a while - especially given the curveball of Mizuho having the hots for chromedome thug Madarame rather than super-bishonen Yumichika.

On the serious side of things, Tousen's sudden appearance (and complete disregard for Ichigo's very presence by the way) was just chilling... is it too early to start hoping for a Tousen/Zaraki rematch? The entire remainder of the episode, from Ichigo's sudden slump forward in the crater of his battlesite, was an essay in the cost of fighting to a standstill - Renji's empty bravado, the moments of fear and anger with Jinta and Orihime, and the Buffy-esque isolation of Ichigo himself all created the strong sense that some of the characters are starting to wonder if a real, shattering defeat is on the horizon.

After all that, then, thank God for the joyfully sunny new closing - J-ska-punk go! - and the always welcome catalogue shots from the new Soul Society Spring Collection; I particularly enjoyed Byakuya Kuchiki looking like a first division footballer at a nightclub, Zaraki cosplaying Sid Vicious, and Soi-Fon looking very unhappy about having to dress like a Gothic Lolita.
 
 
Seth
18:13 / 13.04.07
I think if there's going to be any grudge match it'll be Tousen against Komamura. Old Basket Head's sense of being betrayed was palpable, these two have issues that can only be worked out by getting in the fucking ring.

I'm also a huge fan of seeing the Shinigami enjoy their mufti Fridays, to the point at which I think the best possible Bleach merchandising would be a cut out dress your own Death God book. It would certainly beat my new wall scroll, which despite being A THING OF BEAUTY is too large to fit on any spare wall in my flat. You'll understand when you get there, it's all head bumping eaves.

The opening and closing credits certainly do highlight the rather terrifying number of characters that this show has accumulated. Kinda makes other shows seem incestuous. I mean, what do they spend their time doing in all those episodes in order to just stick with their principle cast of five to eleven main players? Chances are they're not as well developed as this gigantic rabble either. I thought at the time that DS9 had a big supporting cast, but damn...
 
 
imaginary mice
17:44 / 18.04.07
I'm finally catching up. Hooray!

Episode 111: "Remember this: You cannot gauge an opponent’s strength by how large his Zanpakutou is.

Hm.
 
 
Robert B
18:48 / 18.04.07
I am finally caught up (well, until 121 came out but I have it ready and just need to find the 30 minutes to watch it). Man, this show really got back in stride with the last four or five episodes. Ikkaku (spelling?) is my new favorite character after episode 120 (along with Zaraki).
 
 
Seth
02:07 / 19.04.07
Dattebayo just put up 122 for download a few minutes ago.

I love shift work. Being up at four in the morning has its advantages.
 
 
Seth
11:23 / 19.04.07
Bleach always seems at its best when dealing with build up and aftermath. What a fascinating episode.

First and most importantly: Rukia casually talking about Ichigo's Hollow side on the rooftop in front of Renji and Orihime, with neither of them looking surprised. Very interesting scene for what it's omitting, which is how any of them know this information in the first place. Unless we're to believe that these three have cottoned to the fact because of their closeness to Ichigo, it seems as though the entire Shinigami Karakura Town posse have been briefed, and that if it was Byakuya that briefed them maybe we've been a little hard on him in our speculations. Dickhead he may be, but possibly not an irresponsible dickhead. Or is all of this off-base? Again, I find it very interesting what this series leaves out.

Ichigo's speech to Rukia at this point is also excellent. The boy may be an idiot, but he's not stupid. I had come to think that Urahara was a closed book to everyone in the series apart from Yoruichi, but here Ichigo constructs a seemingly very valid reading of that shady shopkeeper solely through what the hatted one has chosen not to do. It's these moments that make Ichigo the character he is, pigheaded and moronic one second, full of insight the next. This might be a hard show to like if he wasn't so complex.

Likewise, his confrontation with the Vaizard. Of course he wouldn't ask for help. Of course he wouldn't back down. Of course he wouldn't join them. At least not at this stage, possibly not ever. He's inherently proud, distrustful, arrogant and can only process the world by fighting it. That his fighting - specifically the all or nothing throwing himself into battle, what he fights for and how he fights - seems to lead him constantly into situations of intimacy with his opponent seems to relate specifically to his history with his parents, his Dad's bizarrely tender form of tough love and his misplaced guilt over his mother making him the agonised protector and world-saver.

Rukia understands this about him and so she deals with him roughly. He understood Chad's principles and used fighting for each other as a means to bond as friends. His rivalry and antagonism with Renji and Ishida make them strong allies, and arguably this is why Orihime is jealous of him and Rukia, as fighting isn't in her nature. He's respected by Zaraki Kenpachi because of it, and his bond to Kariya Jin and Grimmjow Jaggerjack has also become deeply personal. Although this is the basis for every action movie star it's particularly well depicted.

Great to see that grinning bastard Gin return, and very creepy to see him seeming to be Aizen's right-hand man, commenting on the manner in which his leader treated Tousen and Grimmjow. And Tousen has gone from appearing to be conflicted and potentially capable of switching sides to being irredeemably vicious in his statement that slaughter is laudable in service to a higher cause. That he omits to state what this higher cause actually is is either an omission so that Aizen et al's goals are hidden from the viewer for the time being, or worring evidence that he's even more fucked in the head than Byakuya. Stated ideals can usually be used by the ego as justification for any stance, and there's a huge gulf between what people say and what they believe about themselves and the reality.

Amazing that while it's great to see Ishida again it's one of the least note-worthy aspects of the episode, along with Chad's decision to train under Urahara. We can be sure that the former's powers will be regained in kind and that his real conflict - with his father - is ahead of him. The speculation right now is whether he's genuinely forsaken his friends (which is blatantly a temporary thing, right?) or is intending to play his prick of a Dad for a fool. As for Chad on his knees... I love that guy.

All this and more at-home-with-the-Asanos, Ururu and Jinta antics and Isshin's amazing pink and white heart pyjamas (I want some). Not to mention Kon-as-Hana vs Zaraki Kenpachi! You know it's on.

How the hell do they get all this into twenty-five minute episodes?
 
 
Seth
11:30 / 19.04.07
Oh, and Hitsugaya's self disgust at his performance against the Arrancar went some way to addressing my misgivings at the manner of their defeat last episode. Loved the understated and exasperated way in which he comments on the size of Matsumoto's tits too, the amount of fan service in this series that revolves around her is getting out of hand.
 
 
Seth
11:37 / 19.04.07
Rukia's comments to Ichigo on the rooftop were spot on, and again went some way to pulling the rug out from under previous misgivings: that she refuses to let Ichigo feel guilty about her injuries and places the blame squarely on herself. I wonder how much of this is also addressed squarely at the viewer and the expectation that she's the damsel in distress, which she certainly refutes. Interesting seeing this play against the role that Kubo has almost invariably cast for her, and maybe he's commenting on his own writing through her words.

I can't believe I'm still posting about the same episode.
 
 
Seth
11:52 / 19.04.07
Erm. No. One more.

That'll be at least five new Vaizard characters introduced, right?

For fuck's sake. More names to learn.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:38 / 19.04.07
Another top episode.

Very interesting that you read Ichigo's speech about Urahara that way - I don't doubt that it was a sincere statement of what the guy really thinks about the one person who's probably done more to help him to become a powerful Shinigami than any other, but all the way through I was practically yelling at the screen: "Schmuck! He isn't not telling you how to deal with becoming a Hollow because he doesn't know - he's not telling you because he's been using you since day one!" But since we all agree that Urahara is the least trustworthy person in this entire enormous cast bar none, I guess it's understandable how we can hold different opinions on this one matter.

For me Ichigo's words of confidence in his mentor were undercut by his immediate seeking out of the Vizards, a nearly unknown and almost certainly malign quantity from his point of view, for help (never mind that his asking for that help was done in a typically Ichigo-esque manner). I guess what it means is that we should all be worried, because he's now desperate enough, after the first encounter with the Arrancar, to start taking dangerous risks.

Those Vizards, talking of whom, certainly are a diverse-looking bunch, aren't they? I love the character design in this series, it's emphatically back on now the manga adaptations have begun again.

Best comedy moment in this episode for me was the hilariously exaggerated ecstatic weeping from Chappy at Rukia's being healed once again. A throwaway gag, but it made me laugh just for its sheer irrelevance.

(PS: Liking the new shorter thread summary by the way, which I'm assuming is Seth's work. Also annoying as it reminds me that I've been trying for weeks to come up with some kind of 'Buckaroo's Bankai' gag to shoehorn into my screen name, but haven't got one. You may consider yourselves spared.)
 
 
Seth
19:35 / 19.04.07
Liking the new shorter thread summary by the way, which I'm assuming is Seth's work.

Yep. I considered "Like Buffy but better" to piss off the Whedon fans (of which I am one also) but that one was much better.

"Schmuck! He isn't not telling you how to deal with becoming a Hollow because he doesn't know - he's not telling you because he's been using you since day one!"

Interesting, and shows what an about-face I've recently done when it comes to Urahara. Yeah, I think the guy is shady and I don't necessarily trust him, but at the moment I see him more as someone who is possibly a lot less clued up than he appears to be. Almost as if he made a few bollocksed up mistakes, shat himself, made a couple of quick plans on the fly and a ton of racing around behind the scenes to sort them out.

I could be very wrong there, I don't know. I just can't see him and Ichigo's Dad being on speaking terms if he were genuinely playing Ichigo to the extent that I used to. I'd be very surprised if Isshin were also manoeuvring behind Ichigo's back any more than keeping the fact that he's a Shinigami secret… but I have to concede that we know next to nothing about either of these characters. Perhaps I'm making too many assumptions.

For me Ichigo's words of confidence in his mentor were undercut by his immediate seeking out of the Vizards, a nearly unknown and almost certainly malign quantity from his point of view, for help (never mind that his asking for that help was done in a typically Ichigo-esque manner). I guess what it means is that we should all be worried, because he's now desperate enough, after the first encounter with the Arrancar, to start taking dangerous risks.

Again interesting, because this underlines another assumption that I'd made without realising: that the Vaizard will end up on Soul Society's side. Something that I just assumed without any kind of basis, possibly solely because of haircuts and tracksuits and trying to stick thumbs into private parts. And possibly to do with them talking rather than fighting as the first port of call.

The series becomes much more interesting if I ditch all assumptions.
 
 
Seth
09:58 / 26.04.07
123 is up...

... and it has the best "I am Saruman" line since, well, "I am Saruman." That answered a lot of speculation from earlier in the thread, but this episode opens up a hell of a lot more. Like the resemblance between the Vaizard training ground and Urahara's and the fact that Shinji seems to know everything. Has he been working with Urahara from the start? Are the Vaizard another of Urahara's fringe science dabblings?

How exactly does one fight the source of one's own power?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
12:53 / 26.04.07
We can probably assume that Ichigo and Hollow-Ichigo both using Bankai at the exact same time won't cause the universe to cave in on itself since (a) presumably each of the Vizards have been through something similar to master their inner Hollow and (b) if there is indeed a connection between the Vizards and Urahara he'll have taken steps to limit the damage caused by such an event, but that's sure what it felt like was about to happen.

I was all set to object that this episode was too Ichigocentric for my liking, but... damn. Everything from the return to the Zangetsu skyscraper-world onwards, and notably Sailor Sappho's* trepidatious stepping into the cage, was just too good to grumble about. Some great comedy as well with the dumbass exercise machine routine and the off-duty Vizards bickering over manga and groceries.

The at-home-with-the-Kurosakis segment was pretty funny as well, and gave the episode an abrupt turn into pathos with one of the first extended scenes in Bleach to give us a Buffy/Peter Parker-style emphasis on what being a hero does to your loved ones. That was some fine writing, with even ecchi bozo Kon getting an emotional moment of his own.

*I know what the character's name is, I was just making a funny.
 
 
Red Concrete
13:17 / 26.04.07
I noticed they played down Lisa's pornography obsession from the manga.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
13:38 / 26.04.07


Why, does she have one??
 
 
Seth
14:31 / 26.04.07
That little lilac dude is giving me The Fear.
 
 
Red Concrete
15:47 / 26.04.07
They changed it to swimsuit models in episode 123...
 
  

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