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Seth
13:30 / 22.06.07
A second movie? I haven't heard an announcement... I think they just save their best animators for the manga canon stuff.
 
 
Red Concrete
23:23 / 22.06.07
I saw after following a trail from the link to the blog above - it will premiere in Japan in December, and Memories of Nobody is due out on DVD this September. Bleach-movie.com also seems to be announcing it.
 
 
Seth
22:37 / 27.06.07
Earlier today I completed rewatching the entire Soul Society arc. A few things stood out as being particularly interesting.

Probably the biggest element that I'd forgotten about – which admittedly was only touched on very briefly – involved a part of Aizen's megalomaniacal monologue in which he alludes to previous experiments that he's carried out on Hollows. As he's talking we're shown flashbacks to the sequences that involve both the Kaien incident and the unexpected attack during Renji, Kira and Hinamori's training session. The implication is clear, that Aizen has been toying with Soul Society all along, testing his creations and manufacturing incidents.

We're told by Byakuya that his wife died approximately fifty years before the current storyline takes place. A month after her death Rukia was located (Byakuya's wife's dying wish) and asked to join his clan. The incidents with Kaien and the disastrous training session could have taken place around this time, with her already exempt from further training and examinations due to her being accepted as nobility and Renji, Kira and Hinamori all still in training (the Rukia incident seems to have taken place very shortly after her acceptance into Ukitate's squad).

Tying the timeline together it's clear that Aizen has been collaborating with and modifying Hollows for fifty years, and while I can't recall any specifics on the timeline of the Grand Fisher's life it's certainly conceivable that even if the timings didn't fit for him to be involved in its creation he could certainly have played a role in its augmentation. This is something on which we speculated earlier in the thread (the appearance of what appear to be Arrancar in silhouette when the Grand Fisher is first deployed), and while this is all rather circumstantial it does seem to fit nicely. At this point we need to ask whether the seeming Arrancar silhouettes in episode eight or nine are canon to the comics… can anyone answer this for me? Grand Fisher seemed to be specifically targeted against the Kurosaki household, but Aizen's interest in Ichigo specifically seems to develop throughout the show, so the implication is that he wasn't the intended target… could that target have been Ichigo's mother all along? Or Isshin? At the very least, we know that even if the Fisher wasn't in league with Aizen all along he certainly was by the time of his defeat in Arrancar for at the hands of Isshin.

Placing responsibility for the Grand Fisher on Aizen does a lot for the shape of the series. Ichigo needs a personal motivation to go head to head with this enemy. Being the ultimate cause behind his mother's death provides that. Aizen is already the antagonist behind virtually everything we've seen so far, but he really needs to be Ichigo's antagonist to make the series work. The defeat of Aizen therefore brings Ichigo full circle, and as this has been forecast for a major battle in the coming Winter I believe this is likely to be when Bleach (or at least Bleach in its current form) will end.

Now, what about Mayuri? Again we have a sequence which I'm not sure is adapted from the comics. In the anime when Aizen's scheme and location are announced to the ryoka, Captains and Lieutenants there is a scene where Mayuri emerges from some kind of pool, without any of his usual trappings or body modifications, and says to Nemu that he isn't interested in the report. Is this canon? I've read elsewhere that his real face never appears in the comics, but is this scene in the comics minus his real physical appearance? The implication initially seemed that Mayuri refused the offer because he wasn't fully regenerated, but thinking about it… Mayuri has clear experience with the capture and modification of humans (the Quincy). His CV certainly fits as someone with the requisite skills to assist Aizen in his modification of Hollows (he took over Urahara's position, after all). Again, this is all speculation, but what if Aizen has maintained Mayuri as his agent in Soul Society?

I'm also thinking a lot about Isshin. I realise that to a certain extent it's daft to speculate based on apparent power levels as Tite Kubo himself plays pretty fast and loose with this in the text himself. However, during his first appearance as a Shinigami, Isshin kills the Arrancarised Grand Fisher with one swing of an unreleased Zanpakuto. It could be argued that Hitsugaya et al are have also done similar recently, but I'd argue that these slayings were a) of duplicates and b) part of a non-canon filler story. The Grand Fisher accounted for enough dead Shinigami even as a *normal* Hollow, so his power as an Arrancar must be immeasurably more. Isshin therefore seems to be considerably more powerful than your average captain, possibly a match for Aizen himself. This is part of my reasoning for speculating that he may be – or be involved with – Soul Society's King.

Finally what about Urahara? It's hard to judge the laws of Soul Society, given that they cover crimes for which we have no real frame of reference. So again, this is speculation. But doesn't Aizen's stated reason for Urahara's exile seem a little harsh, in the same semi-suspicious way that Rukia's execution seemed harsh? And has anyone other than Aizen confirmed this reason, as his testimony is rather dubious (I can't remember myself)? I can appreciate that an untraceable faux body is a problematic creation, but it's not without obvious applications that fall within Soul Society's remit, and Soul Society embraces other Technology Institute innovations that are just as if not more problematic. It rather has a history of this, in fact. Banishing him for this seems disproportionate, and rather makes me wonder whether there aren't other reasons for him getting the boot. For example… sacking Urahara rather leaves his former position vacant for a less principled person to take over the Institute. I entirely appreciate that when you're talking about someone less principled that Urahara we're into murky waters indeed, but I think you can see what I'm getting at. My only reservation here is that Mayuri seems to be a rather obvious traitor, and is rather more interesting when he's on the side of the supposed *good* guys.

Well, that's enough rampant speculation for now. None of it is based on spoilers, in case anyone is concerned about that. I now know next to nothing about stuff in the comic that we haven't seen yet.

Other stuff that I enjoyed on the rewatch was just how marvellously constructed the whole show is. It's so intricately thought out, in terms of plotting, character, relationships, design, world building, foreshadowing, delayed reveals, history. A lot of thought has gone into who has a relationship with who, where there's attraction in the subtext, where there are unexpected allies and histories between characters. I think that's a large reason behind why filler is so frustrating, as it goes against one of the primary rules of the Bleach universe. Bleach is never static. There are multiple things going on at once, all with their own conflicting agendas, but here we effectively have our principle cast in a holding pattern while minor players play out an inconsequential little drama.

I also love the way Ichigo thinks. He's an uncomplicated young man, not hugely intelligent, but a lot of his uncomplicated nature comes from definite decisions that he makes. During the Soul Society arc there are many instances in which a character is about to tell him about the potential consequences of failure only for him to interrupt or tell them that he's not interested. It's a little daft to draw a comparison to NLP, but Ichigo seems to consciously make sure that all of his goals are stated in the positive. All he needs to know is his goal, what he wants to achieve. He doesn't to act ambiguously to avoid something happening, he wants to act positively and accurately to cause something to happen. You can see this in his fight with Renji and the flashback advice that Urahara gives him.

Another interesting facet that I hadn't recalled is the humanising of Rukia. Aizen drops the interesting notion that her containment wihin Urahara's untraceable gigai will eventually fuse her with the faux body and sap her reiatsu to the extent that she becomes a normal human. A number of characters comment on how her time in the living world has changed her and made her more human, and I couldn't help but think that the psychological process is acting in tandem with the physical process of bonding with the gigai and the spiritual process of having her reiatsu constantly drained. Although I wonder which specific changes were being commented on by the various Soul Society characters… I could generally write reams and reams about why I think Rukia one of the most well depicted characters in current popular fiction. She practically leaps out of the text and seems like a real person.

Lastly, the number of characters who are orphans or have at least one parent either dead or unaccounted for beggars belief. And there's also quite a lot of people losing their spouse or in an ambiguous love relationship. Bleach isn't kind to your parents or your partner.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:54 / 27.06.07
I have all 19 Bleach volumes that're out in the UK to hand, if you could give pointers to where in the storyline what you want to know happens I could have a quick flick through.
 
 
Seth
01:29 / 28.06.07
It's all in the above post. The first is the beginning of the initial encounter with the Grand Fisher, the second when Aizen, Tousen and Gin teleport to the execution grounds.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
07:53 / 28.06.07
Yeah sorry, reading comprehension suffers after a few drinks. I was skimming over the Arrancar/Grand Fisher thing in the comic becasue it didn't look how I remembered it in the anime.

I'm downloading the episode now so I can check but it looks like Kubo had the basic idea down, but hadn't finalised character design.

We're shown one face with a stapled together Hollow mask, missing a quarter, and a glimpse of two Arrancar watching on. One of them's a guy with sharp teeth and a beanie looks very much like an early Grimmjow to me, and the other is obscured by the angle of the shot.

As I figure it the comic was already well into the Soul Society arc when the adaptation started. So they'd be able to tweak anything that Kubo had written to take into account things that happened a year down the line.
 
 
Seth
08:57 / 28.06.07
Cool, how about the Mayuri speculation?

131 is actually a lot better. A lot better. Somehow in four episodes of lower quality filler they've managed to captured the unrelenting sense of hopelessness of fighting the Arrancar better than they did in the main arc. It's all in the dirty grey skies, the fact that it's taken five Shinigami plus the constant assistance of the Technology Bureau to defeat it... and the slowing of the pace and endless tactical meetings do rather serve to emphasise Hitsugaya and Matsumoto's desperation to find any means of fighting it. So in summary it's not much fun to watch the whole four episode story, but in it not being much fun it achieves something the canon material couldn't.

There were some nice throwbacks of a sort too. Yui being able to act despite being eaten/absorbed reminded me a lot of Ichigo's mother's unexpected reappearance during the fight with the Grand Fisher. So there's at least some precedent in canon for a consumed soul being able to act. It seems as though this Arrancar needed to keep the consumed souls active as clones/drones, which goes some way to explain why they could be soul buried when the Arrancar was purified. And Matsumoto seems to be transferring rather a lot onto Shouta, in that his sister has *gone somewhere where he can't follow.* It reminded me enough of her lost old friend to justify her rather emotional reaction to what was happening, and even if wasn't explicitly drawn out that way in the show itself that's how I'm deciding to interpret it.

Next week, Karin and Hitsugaya play football!
 
 
Essential Dazzler
09:09 / 28.06.07
Soul Society hasn't finished in the Uk reprints yet. and won't until October!

We're waiting until the fillers are finished then caning them in a single session.

The UK reprints are really cool, only a fiver a go, every two months once you're caught up. I have no retention of the kind of detail needed to notice the difference in pace and character, but a friend assures me that if you can it's interesting to note the differences between the anime and the comic.

They reproduce the Japanese volumes in full including the wonderful Tite Kubo introductions and one-page chapter breaks, which usually make it into the anime as the post-credit funnies, Kon's erotic adventure just started in the newest volume.

Only complaint so far is the above mentioned extras in the newest book continually make a fuss about colour, with little footnotes from Viz mentioning the fact that chapter 162 was originally in colour.
 
 
Red Concrete
10:02 / 28.06.07
Five pounds (?) is not bad value, I suppose. They cost 11 euro here, and I've been pervaricating. I came to Bleach as the Bounto arc was being broadcast, and to pass the time I watched the earlier anime, and then started on the manga. However I picked up the manga at the end of the Soul Society arc, and so never read the first volumes.

I still wonder about Urahara and Isshin most of all. Re: Urahara's exile - in the Soul Society arc when Ichigo first met Ikkaku and mentioned that he was trained by Urahara, Ikkaku's response - "That person!!!" - was consistent with Urahara being exiled. But it is funny that he seems to be a real world contact for many shinigami - including a source for Rukia's repairs and supplies in the very earliest episodes. So perhaps his "exile" is just a demotion and posting to some remote location, rather than a criminal sentence. I like to think that he's undercover for the highest ranks of Soul Society.

Isshin I'm thinking must either have moved to the real world to marry a human, or possibly have fallen in love with another shinigami, and thereby suffered a similar exile... Have the shinigami rules on interrank romance ever been mentioned? It is interesting to speculate that both Ichigo's mother and Yui, who resisted hollow absorption to some extent, might both have had strong reiatsu.

131... I thought it was pretty satisfactory conclusion. I would hav been happier without bankai being used, and with a little less predicatable plot, but really my expectations weren't all that high. It was a bit worrying that this spontaneous arrancar was about to consume all the souls in town, and would thereby have thwarted all of Aizen's plans...
 
 
Seth
14:53 / 28.06.07
The other way to see Urahara is that up to the Soul Society arc he was ony a real world point of contact for Rukia, and only after he introduced himself to her after she'd depowered herself. Rukia doesn't seem to know anything about him or his history or she'd know about his less than trustworthy gigai. From the rough timeline I'm working out Rukia and Renji began their training roughly fifty years prior to the events that we're seeing, Urahara was exiled before this.

After the events of the Soul Society arc Shinigami are more likely to use his shop as their Karakura town base as he was instrumental in sending Ichigo et al to stop Aizen. However it's suspicious that only Renji actually does use his shop for a base... the Shinigami who have been around longer and would have a chance of actually knowing Urahara from the old days don't, and aren't seen to interact with him. Ikkaku has that pointedly shocked response that you mentioned, so he's certainly familiar with Urahara, whereas Renji doesn't seem to be (the unspecified question that he wants to ask might have something to do with this) to the extent to which he knows nothing about Urahara's bankai.

Also, when Ichigo and the gang first go through the gate that Urahara creates in order to rescue Rukia there's a tiny sequence in which Urahara puts his hand on his own portal and is repelled. If Karakura town is a demotion or a posting elsewhere then why won't the Shinigami let him back in?

There has to be some history between Urahara and Aizen, otherwise how could Urahara know of Aizen's intentions and create a plan to thwart him? I'm willing to bet that Urahara got too close to figuring things out and Aizen was instrumental in his downfall. Again, all speculation.
 
 
Seth
15:38 / 28.06.07
OK, here's the theory.

Urahara becomes aware of a plot to overthrow the King, possibly because Aizen himself approaches him as a person who can experiment on Hollows. Possibly they were originally conducting the research together in secret and fell out over a disagreement on usage of the technology. Yoruichi may have found out with Urahara, or he might have gone to her as the only person he could trust. Trumped up charges are levelled against Urahara to discredit him, his name is mud, and Mayuri replaces him. Urahara is exiled and Yoruichi leaves unnanounced with him.

Before they leave they warn the King, who either goes into hiding himself or sends his children into hiding. One of the children is Ichigo. Isshin is either the King or a trusted servant of the King. Karin and Yuzu may or may not be Ichigo's blood sisters. The only reasonable reason for Isshin not to tell Ichigo that he's also a Shinigami is that it opens all sorts of questions, and if the Royal Family are targeted then Ichigo will be in danger if it becomes public that he is a prince. He hasn't been told for his own safety.

There's also the possibility of a Luke and Leia reveal with a character who shares Ichigo's hair colour and whose name means "Princess."

That is all. For now...
 
 
Seth
15:43 / 28.06.07
Scratch that. Ichigo's age precludes him from being born at or before the time Isshin came to the living world. I'm thinking Isshin must be the King to fit the theory, although he could have just been assigned to protect the King's wife and the marriage was a sham (with Isshin's feelings real), which accounts for why she never complimented him.
 
 
Seth
15:45 / 28.06.07
I'm betting he's the King though. Other Shinigami in the real world wouldn't recognise the King, who has been described as in absentia.
 
 
hachiman
12:00 / 29.06.07
At this point i'm convinced that the Kurosaki's are related to or are the royal family of Soul Society. Yo's point about Isshin's power level is on the mark i think,and also to me the form of Ichigo's Bankai is also important. I dont know if this has been discussed before, but the nature of Ichigo's bankai is definitely an anomaly in terms of his bankai being a compression when everyone else's abilities get larger, if thats the right word.

Combined with Ichigo's incredible growth rate, shinigami to captain plus in less that a year, it all points to me that the Kurosakis are more than just different.

Something else that occurred to me, who's to say that being a shinigami is exclusive to Ichigo and Isshin? Its more than possible Yuzu and Karin share shinigami abilities and havent been activated yet.

Also, if Rukia had'nt given her powers to Ichigo, would he still have developed thos abilities anyway? The first episode Karin mentions that Ichigo was seeing spirits alot more clearly than before. With the Kurosaki kids heritage, even with Ishhin having been de-powered at some point, is'nt it likely these powers would have developed naturally anyway, albeit more slowly? Just what are Isshin, Urahara and Yoruichi up to?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
23:09 / 29.06.07
Catching me totally by surprise Vol 20 of Bleach was in the shop today, both a month early and finishing the Soul Society arc.

Yo! As you describe it, the Mayuri scene is lifted directly from the comic.
 
 
Seth
23:24 / 29.06.07
Eeenteresting...

What do you reckon ladies and gentlemen? Is my speculation going overboard?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
23:30 / 29.06.07
I'm not sure.

I wouldn't say you're going overboard, because I don't think that's possible, great art is what you get out of it.

But I would like to point out that you appear to have thought more about Bleach than I have about finances in my entire life.

Of course, this has resulted in me emptying two overdrafts while staring at your post in envy.

Take that as you will.
 
 
Red Concrete
00:51 / 30.06.07
I don't know, YO! It seems far-fetched. Isshin is the king of heaven? But he's so... undignified. And Ichigo is his son and heir? If nothing else, it would mean the end of the series after that reveal, unless they stop this crazy power race and settle into a completely different type of story. It's possibly true, it's the front-runner theory, but I'd rather it wasn't.
 
 
Seth
10:36 / 30.06.07
I don't see that there's anywhere else that it can go from there without turning into smething else altogether. Aizen's stated plan is to stand in Heaven, and it's now emerged that he appears to be after the King (although he's misdirected our heroes before). When you've set up a King for Soul Society whose throne room is Heaven it rather begs the question of whether the bar can be raised any higher.

As for Isshin seeming undignified... uh huh. That's kinda the reason I think it's such a fun theory. The man's an idiot. It would make sense that somewhere so deeply messed up as Soul Society would have an idiot King who can't really be bothered with the whole thing. Although there are moments when he certainly seems to be very on the ball...

Wrapping up with Ichigo's pops as the King would probably still mean that this show is going to at least hit the two hundred episode mark, which is plenty for a long-form story. After that it might revamp itself entirely, or be forever padded out with diminishing returns filler, or go to movies, or take a break and come back fast forwarded a god few years like Dragonball.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
15:32 / 30.06.07
This is all fascinating, proof that Bleach has reached Potter-esque status in terms of the amount of intrigue, contradictions and cosmological knottiness it contains as well as the quantity and calibre of creative speculation it can inspire. Seth's take on Mayuri Kurotsuchi is real food for thought in particular, as I've always been uncomfortable with the fact that Gotei 13 is seemingly quite happy to include in its top ranks a technocratic mass murderer of Mengele-like proportions. Here're a few thoughts of my own:

Like Red Concrete, I seem to have an instinctive aversion to the notion of Isshin as King. Apart from anything else, if you leave it as such and don't speculate further about the relationships in the Kurosaki family, it makes Ichigo, in the baldest terms, the son of God. Is the series really going to go that far? I don't think so, so in the absence of any further revelations about Isshin, bear with me here while I set out what I've theorized so far.

As already speculated, Urahara becomes aware of Aizen's ambition and his secret plans to adapt his, Urahara's innovations for the eventual creation of an army of Arrancar, and to increase his own already high-level abilities. Aizen is only a lieutenant at this stage, the rationale behind which supposition I'll come to, but as popular and accomplished as he is, sure to become captain soon. Urahara figures that Aizen will be impossible to challenge openly within Soul Society, so begins to formulate a plan to deal with him from outside. He pulls enough strings to get himself removed from office at Twelfth Division on the basis of trumped-up charges of carrying out illegal experimentation and goes into "exile" in the real world, where Aizen can dismiss him as longer being a threat. (Of course, we know that Aizen still considered Urahara a potential adversary but that's because he's no fool - chalk it up to a gamble of Urahara's failing to pay off.) Yoruichi, Urahara's oldest ally, resigns her own post to accompany him, perhaps at a pre-arranged earlier time to avoid suspicions of collusion.

One thing we know about Aizen is that he was lieutenant of Fifth Division, with Tousen, Gin and Komamura as seated officers, prior to becoming captain of the same. So who was captain of the Fifth at that time? My guess: Isshin Kurosaki. Who was also covertly loyal to Urahara, knew about Aizen's plans and resigned as captain so that Aizen would be guaranteed to succeed him, as a measure of controlling Aizen's unstoppable rise within Gotei 13. (As a bonus, Mayuri Kurotsuchi, Aizen's secret ally, takes over at Twelfth Division, leaving Aizen with plenty of false assurance that he can carry on his Hollow-based experiments with impunity.) Isshin accompanies Urahara to the human world - perhaps on the pretext that the wily and duplicitous inventor needs a minder to keep tabs on him - in a specially developed one-shot gigai that Urahara created (so he can age, father children and so forth), happens to meet and fall for a beautiful psychic medium called Misaki, and puts down roots. Meanwhile, Urahara and Yoruichi work on building their own secret weapon to counter Aizen's Arrancar: the Vizards. If this particular connection doesn't play out I'll be astonished, since the clues - Shinji's knowledge of the Hougyoku and the situation in Soul Society, the resemblance of their training ground to the secret chamber under the Urahara shop - are so blatant they're hard to explain any other way.

My take on Ichigo's acquisition of Shinigami powers is that it's something Urahara never anticipated - a total fluke. Sure, he'd have kept an eye on Isshin's kids purely because he's inveterately nosy and likes to keep tabs on everybody - ever wonder why he runs a sweetshop? - but he didn't expect Ichigo to steal Rukia's powers in that manner. Once Ichigo's potential becomes evident, however, Urahara immediately begins to cultivate him with Rukia as unwitting go-between, and palms the Hougyoku-containing gigai body off on her as a twofold strategy: ideally to destroy it, but failing that, to force Aizen's hand and draw him out. As an unexpected bonus, thanks to Ichigo's uncontrollable reiatsu and knack for attracting loyal friends and staunch rivals, Chad, Orihime and Ishida all come into the fold to form a group that can be used to infiltrate Soul Society because they're so off the radar.

Phew. That's my take on Urahara: Machiavellian as hell and always playing the long game, but prone to fuck up and with the occasional blind spot that he has to improvise around. A fairly conservative view of our favourite effete mastermind. The notion of Isshin as Urahara's minder is not strictly mine BTW, but stems from this post from Jake, who had a great take on Isshin and who sadly seems no longer to be in evidence on this thread.

There's more minor speculation I'd like to do about Urahara's bankai and the fact that, like Ichigo's, it was achieved by the highly unorthodox three-day artificial method (tenshintai) - as hachiman mentioned in passing just now, maybe a bankai achieved by this means is guaranteed to turn out weird, which may be why Urahara has an aversion to using it. And of course, the vexed question of Tousen's motivation - does he have some secret knowledge that means he can justify Aizen's way as truly being "the path of least bloodshed", or is he just an ethically addled zealous nut? And then there's my wacky notion that Aizen is the Kube-verse version of Superman. But no one needs to hear that one.



Not so much to say about this week's episode, except that while some of the animation was dire, there were some fun touches - Renji's doofus broom-wielding soul candy sub! Hands up for an all soul candy episode of sustained idiocy and speech impediments! - and the next few off-duty filler eps look to have some potential. Particularly Hitsugaya's date with Karakura's second biggest tomboy, and (look away now if you really hate spoilers)...














134. The Beautiful Patissier, Yumichika! Utsukushiki PATISHIE, Yumichika! 「美しきパティシエ、弓親!」

The Yakitate!! Japan crossover we've all been waiting for. I love Yumichika when he's on form, so mildly hyped for that one.
















END SPOILER
 
 
madfigs #32, now with wasabi
07:59 / 01.07.07
I sense a spin-off series in the future!


The solar hands... something's draining their energy!


My my, your bread is so much less beautiful than mine!


Getting back on track, I'm not buying Isshin as the king either. My first guess for him was former 11th squad Captain (how many people presumed to be dead turned out to have survived after all?) but 5th squad would probably make even more sense if he's going to be tied into the Aizen storyline.

If the king is any of the established characters, my vote is on Captain Commander Yamamoto-Genryusai. Here's a guy who seems to be way older than every other Shinigami, established the training academy at some point in the distant past, and has things set up so that he's usually obeyed without question. Perhaps he got tired of watching from behind the scenes and decided to take charge without revealing his true identity. Then again, my guesses about this kind of thing are usually way off base, so we'll just have to wait and see!
 
 
Seth
11:50 / 02.07.07
The huge, huge unanswered question about Isshin is why he hasn't told his son who he really is despite knowing from the very beginning what Ichigo is going through (often before his son twigs what is happening himself) and having at least as much knowledge of what is going on as Urahara. I would be very surprised if this wasn't addressed and I think any working theory on his role in the series has to account for it.
 
 
hachiman
12:28 / 02.07.07
And then there's my wacky notion that Aizen is the Kube-verse version of Superman. But no one needs to hear that one.

Yup, that bit at the end of the Soul Society arc is pretty awesome, where Aizen takes off his glasses, smooths out his hair and gets a spitcurl, and turns to the watching crowd, crushing his glasses as he says: " There is No God, I Will Be God Now."
Definitely a Clark Kent to EEEEVIL Superman moment.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
12:56 / 02.07.07
Yes, that's where I went. Not really meant as a true character parallel, just a resemblance I thought was amusing.
 
 
Seth
16:05 / 02.07.07
Oh good Lord. No one needs this.
 
 
Seth
23:05 / 04.07.07
While there's still room to go into speculation overdrive, how about this little exchange from when Urahara and Yoruichi appear just in the nick of time to prevent Ichigo from getting killed by Yami (bold to draw attention to the interesting bits):

Yami: "How were you able to do that to my Cero?"

Urahara: "It's just as you saw it. It would have been dangerous for everyone around me if I simply repelled it, so I just negated it by hitting it with a similar attack."

Yami: "What did you say?"

Urahara: "How about I show it to you again if you don't believe me? Sing, Benihime!"

Ulquiorra blocks Urahara's attack.

Yami: "Ulquiorra... what are you doing?"

Ulquiorra: "You idiot. You're getting in over your head. These guys are Urahara Kisuke and Shihouin Yoruichi. At your current level you wouldn't be ablt to defeat them. We're leaving."

Yoruichi: "Trying to run away?"

Ulquiorra: "Such provocation is unlike you."

So far the only beings that have been able to fire Cero have been Hollow of Menos Grande level or higher (Ichigo's fight with the Menos), Arrancar (Yami's attack in the episode from which the above dialogue is taken) and Vaizard (Hollowised Ichigo nearly fires one in the living world during the inner battle against his inner Hollow). And here Urahara states that he possesses a *similar attack.* We don't yet know enough to be able to say what this means, but speculating again... the Vaizard possess one of Urahara's training grounds. They seem to know everything that he knows, but the Vaizard supposedly hate Shinigami - so why do they seem to be working together with him? Ichigo was Hollowised in one of Urahara's training sessions with the *stated intent* of him regaining his Shinigami powers. Urahara built the Hogyoku, and since we all know what that does and that Urahara has a history of using himself as a guinea pig to test his inventions...

... is Urahara a Vaizard?

Another theory on Isshin. He implies against the Grand Fisher that he is Captain class. He wears a white cloak in battle and in conversation with Urahara it emerges that he hasn't been a Shinigami for twenty years. This would coincide roughly with when he met Masaki. Perhaps the reason he has never told Ichigo about himself is that he made a promise to his late wife never to involve the family in Shinihami business for their own safety. By allowing Urahara to mentor Ichigo he is sneakily honouring that promise by not directly involving them himself, he's just not directly standing in the way when they become involved due to circumstances that while not being outside of his control are certainly ones he could have prevented.
 
 
Seth
23:08 / 04.07.07
Ah. The bit I forgot to write was that Ulquiorra seems familiar with Urahara and Yoruichi, and it seems to be more personal in nature than something learned from research (he knows what is *unlike them*).

Although he clearly can't know them very well, as being *provocative* is one of Yoruichi's main character traits!
 
 
Seth
10:16 / 05.07.07
132: Now that's how you do filler. A story that revels in how inconsequential it is. Proper attention to detail paid to the characterisation: an entire episode devoted to one of the minor characters whose pain and bewilderment at the seeming loss of her brother has barely been touched upon. Some beautiful Hitsugaya stuff with him returning to the same place to see the sunset every day because it reminds him of Hinamori. And Rangiku Matsumoto getting to act like an idiot again after she's been super serious for four weeks (well, three. She did get to go shopping, after all).

And most importantly, Hitsugaya playing football with Karin.

I'd actually put today's episode up there with the very best of Bleach, seeing as how I'm in this for the characters primarily, plot secondarily (only just secondarily, mind). Superb, in a wiping a tear from my eye kinda way.
 
 
Seth
10:19 / 05.07.07
Great new closing theme too. Are we really thirteen episodes into the new opening theme?

Next week: Menos!
 
 
Red Concrete
14:27 / 06.07.07
A good upswing for animation quality this week also, I thought. Apart from some poorly done perspective/scale when that Menos broke through the sky, but that was only 2 or 3 seconds.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:23 / 07.07.07
Bumped purely to celebrate the fact that as we've discovered afresh this week, filler doesn't have to be boring; and to enjoin all Barb-anime fans to light a candle for Tanabata, enjoy a bizarrely thrown-together meal in honour of Orihime, and join me in the heartfelt sentiment: God bless Japan!
 
 
Seth
10:11 / 12.07.07
Two weeks in a row of excellent filler. Substantially sillier this week, mind. Last week's next episode section totally misrepresented what we'd be getting. Instead it's the same plot as last week only with Madarame Ikkaku carrying out Mizuho Asano's kendo-themed revenge. It's great if you're one of those deeply broken people who wished for more at-home-with-the-Asanos, Ikkaku gets to be a complete maniac for twenty-five minutes and the Karakura Town Shinigami's soul candy are the funniest thing this show has seen in ages, especially Yumichika's (the belated reveal concerning who has been planning the soul candy action is even funnier).
 
 
hachiman
11:22 / 12.07.07
Second that. The filler was surprisingly entertaining, and it was nice to see Rangiku as more than a hottie with gigantor boobies.
 
 
Red Concrete
13:40 / 12.07.07
I'll third it, I suppose. Also, excellent animation quality! I wouldn't mind a month or two of one-off fillers of this quality.

On manga news, I've bought a couple of the early volumes of comics (all pre-Soul Society arc), and there are probably some things that are relevant to certain discussions here. But... is this the place to discuss? I have a feeling that a Comics thread will interest only a subset of the few people that contribute to this thread.
 
 
Seth
01:08 / 13.07.07
I would very much like to read a discussion of manga material that has already been adapted to anime in this thread. If it's stuff that's yet to come then please don't mention it, but old stuff is all good.
 
  

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