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Doctor Who: Season 2 UK

 
  

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18:16 / 29.04.06
So many good lines, so well done.
"We are in a car."
"Hapyslappyhoodieswithasbosandringtones, huh?"
"Yeah, he does that."

The oil thing was a bit hand-wavy but I don't care. Yay!
 
 
iamus
18:16 / 29.04.06
Ladies and gentlemen, we have the theme for the season I think. "You can spend the rest of your life with me, but I can't spend the rest of my life with you".

He's the lonely God y'see.
 
 
Blake Head
18:18 / 29.04.06
Oh, I rather loved that. Lots of lovely moments so it's hard to pick them out but:

I am so old now...

Great character moments throughout, with none of the faux portentous stuff and at least a suggestion of the consequences of the doctor's nature, as much is as possible within the episodic structure anyway. I mean, to be honest I could quite happily have had an episode of the companions and the Doctor talking amongst themselves, and the hell with the plot (I'm still not really convinced by any of the threats/consequences/satanic temptations - is it just too early in the season?), but it was still great seeing the actors have something a bit more meaty to work with. Thought Tennant was great as well, depths we've not seen from his doctor before (in my very humble opinion), and the bastard keeps tempting / taunting me with those glasses, till I feel even nerdier and more fetishistic than I do anyways. Anyway, rambling utter ror here, but, hurrah! That was fab!
 
 
e-n
18:18 / 29.04.06
That was sooo less cheesy than it looked in the trailers last week. ASH's EEEvil mugging for the camera was alright when chasing the doctor , but looked totally over the top in the trailer.

"MY Sarah Jane" awwww.


Dunno if I'm being apologiest or what but while looking at the bat-baddies the effects struck me as actually being rather well done (integated with the backgounrds and stuff) and that the design was juest "odd" (as in not real) as opposed to Doctor who havinbg "ropey effects".
Makes me think about all the stuff in "New Earth in a doifferent light"

K-9 is spiffy though isn't he?
..and Mickey is totally the little metal dog HA
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:22 / 29.04.06
I really hope we see Mr Finch again, actually. I did notice his death is an easy one to explain the way out of... the minions, not so much.

This really was ace. And next week is Steven Moffat's episode...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:24 / 29.04.06
Sarah-Jane was on BBC3 just now, in the past, looking so fresh, sassy and gorgeous. It makes you think of how poignant it would be, again, to have Rose back on Doctor Who in thirty years time.

That was a real achievement, to have a good kids' TV story about skool blowing up and teechers are aliens going on at the same time as that heartrending, adult stuff about nostalgia and loss, and getting older and losing your looks, and lifelong love, and holding on for someone who meant so much, and faithful pets, and how long ago the early eighties were.
 
 
Blake Head
18:25 / 29.04.06
Er, rot, I was talking rot, obviously.
 
 
raggedman
18:27 / 29.04.06
"I used to have so much mercy"

sob

bad dog-affirmative = WE3's rabbit 'uh-oh'
 
 
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18:27 / 29.04.06
I get the feeling it was very much a tribute by the writer to RTD, getting to do what Dark Season was probably reaching toward being.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:31 / 29.04.06
I wasn't half as impressed with the last episode as a lot of people here. RTD isn't very good at keeping up the pace for 45 minutes of this stuff and that was one of the big problems with the werewolf tale. Other bits that struck me as being rubbish were Queen Vic suddenly telling the Doctor to piss off, which came from out of the blue and felt completely out of place in the episode and out of character for the way she'd been protrayed up until that point. Clumsy, clunking plotting, the only excuse for which was that RTD wanted to get his 'origin of Torchwood' out there. CGI was equally duff.

This week = top notch. Everything about it, so much better than the first two of this series' episodes that it might as well have been a completely different show. Characters always believable, main bad guy actually *bad*, CGI an a different league than anything else the show's thrown at us so far, both in terms of creature design and the way it was put into the live action footage. Having Sarah Jane there could have been catastrophic - mixing old Who with new Who was somthing I thought couldn't be done without feeling horribly embarrassing - but worked almost perfectly. And they had the good sense to give the kids little to do in terms of acting, which was a blessing.

I really wish RTD would stick to plotting the series and let the rest of the team write the scripts for each episode. It's so much more enjoyable, so much easier to just sit back and watch it, get swallowed up by it, when you're not getting jarred back into reality by his clumsiness.
 
 
Lama glama
18:32 / 29.04.06
Everything about this was so together. Acting (even if Liz Sladen was a bit dodgy, but then, hasn't she always been?), story, music and CG were all spot on. I felt myself welling up as the rebuilt K9 appeared behind the vanishing TARDIS.

This was such a wonderful episode that I have no gripes or nerd niggles with. Bring on Moffat!
 
 
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18:34 / 29.04.06
Liz Sladen was a bit dodgy

[Light slap with a white glove]
You realise, sah, this means wah!
 
 
raggedman
18:41 / 29.04.06
paranoid writer
the last time Doctor and Sarah jane met he dumped her to answer a call from the time lords (deadly assasin - good story, ends with him becoming president)
so i can see the link, esp in light of some earlier posts about 'genesis of daleks' being first strike in the TIME war (i went-a chain of events kicked off-they died-i didn't=things were quite rough-sorry i didn't call you but...feel sorry for me)*

can i just say i LOVE the way RTD cherry picks continuity...i don't think he'll ever be bound by anything in the classic but he knows it's there...and knows which bits should be in the current mythos

*don't want to go all old skool cos it is kinda threadrotty but there's that bit in Pyramids of Mars were some guy gets killed but doctor is getting on with job in hand

sarah 'sometimes you don't seem...'
doc 'human? i'm not..'
sarah (mocking) 'oh i forgot you're a tiiiiime loooord'
doc 'yes i'm a time lord, i have responsibilitiies'

god i loved tonight.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:42 / 29.04.06
I feel a bit sorry for ASH, actually- he made a great villain, but in this episode the actual plot was fairly irrelevant. All the good Doctor/Sarah Jane/Rose/Kfucking9!!! shit could have happened against any backdrop and worked as well. Hopefully he'll be back to be a great villain again.
 
 
Lama glama
18:44 / 29.04.06
I mean dodgy in the most affectionate sense!

Her performance was a bit dodgy, but she was awfully enthused about it and that really sold the character to me after all these years. The technical skill may not be there, but her love for the role certainly negates any of her failings as an actress.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:45 / 29.04.06
I really wish RTD would stick to plotting the series and let the rest of the team write the scripts for each episode.

I've seen this point made so so many times that I'd hope the guy was actually aware of this by now... I completely agree. It pains me when I see him writing about how to write a good adventure script, explaining the process and everything - "they can't just be running down a corridor, there has to be a reason to be running down a corridor, emotionally etc etc" - because I think he fudges it himself at almost every turn.

The effects were pretty good this episode, weren't they? Especially in the chase-y scenes, with them clambering all over the walls and everything. I was pretty damn impressed.

Ah, nabbed from another board, cos I don't have the requisite channel: "And over at Doctor Who: Confidential, Anthony Head's non-explosion was on purpose. Hmmm."

Aces.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:23 / 29.04.06
Cheers for the info, raggedman. Much obliged.
 
 
Ganesh
20:12 / 29.04.06
*meltyblub*

That is all.
 
 
Ganesh
20:20 / 29.04.06
(Although... was anyone else gripped by the sudden peculiar realisation that K9 had/has the voice of Dr Alan Statham from Green Wing?)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:44 / 29.04.06
OK. So who DIDN'T cry, then?

I want names, addresses, and the directions to the nearest hardware store. Because you WILL. Oh yes, you WILL.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:22 / 29.04.06
What was the species ID of ASH & his pipistrelles? Ganesh and I can't get beyond Crinolines and that can't be right. Crinillates? Critillanes?

Looks like crinolines, pre-revolutionary ones, next week though!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:27 / 29.04.06
I kept hearing it as a bastardisation of "acrylamide", a carcinogenic chemical found in much fast food...

...I'm pretty sure it started with "cril" or "cryl"...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:32 / 29.04.06
Krillitane!
 
 
Mourne Kransky
06:29 / 30.04.06
Thanks, Suedey. What a fine thing a young memory with spare RAM is.

I couldn't help thinking that Toby Whithouse had the germ of an idea for School Reunion whilst watching Jamie's School Dinners.
 
 
Ganesh
07:34 / 30.04.06
Oh, absolutely.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
10:04 / 30.04.06
RTD can't stop plotting the series, it;s a contractual thing with the beeb that he originates the stories. DWm reprinted his series one document that was as detailed as having the basic plots of Empty Child et al down from the beginning.

To pick up on comments earlier in the thread Mark Gatiss' Who novel Nightshade is going to be serialised on the Beebs Who website over the summer and there are other excellent books worth checking out on that site, including work by Paul Cornell and Season 3/Graske/Tardisode/comic strip writer Gareth Roberts.
 
 
sleazenation
11:04 / 30.04.06
Just want to add my voice to the chorus of 'great episode'.

Like Father's Day in season one the emotional through-arc was so strong that it kind of overpowered whatever the overt plot might have been. But that didn't matter.

I'd have loved to have seen more of K9 in action, or at least, different shots that weren't reeling overhead, but, well, you know, K9 was back!
 
 
Mourne Kransky
11:48 / 30.04.06
Affirmative, Master.
 
 
Triplets
12:14 / 30.04.06
It's just a robot.
 
 
sleazenation
13:01 / 30.04.06
K9 is not 'just a robot', he's a robot dog...
 
 
Triplets
13:23 / 30.04.06
Dogs can't speak.

Robot.
 
 
Cherielabombe
13:30 / 30.04.06
Stoatie: I didn't cry. But I am cold and heartless. And y'know, I came to Dr. Who late in life, after years of bristling at the attempts various Dr. Who-loving boyfriends (I think I have a fetish) made to get me into the show, so I didn't really know all that much about Sarah Jane.

But... I was very very close to crying!

And I loved it. Brilliant episode.

I keep wondering what those chips taste like, too.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:42 / 30.04.06
Brunt: RTD can't stop plotting the series

Er, wasn't saying he should. Was actually saying the exact opposite - that he should *only* plot the series, allow others with more of a natural feel for the series and family SF in general to do the business when it comes to the details of script and so on.

Suedey: It pains me when I see him writing about how to write a good adventure script, explaining the process and everything - "they can't just be running down a corridor, there has to be a reason to be running down a corridor, emotionally etc etc" - because I think he fudges it himself at almost every turn.

Yeah, and the impression I get from this is that he's painstakingly sticking to his self-defined set of guidelines when he does his own episodes, which is why they frequently lack a natural flow or rhythm.

"Hmm, page 26 now. Need a corridor chase w/ monster POV shots. Shit! Forgot the burp joke on page 15. Must rewrite."
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:46 / 30.04.06
Nothing better than meeting a nice young man at a party and you get down to talking and you confess that you love Doctor Who. And the nice young man confesses that he's a Doctor Who fan from way back and then you spend the rest of the party smoking cigarettes, discussing episodes and effects and all else and then forget there's a party going on.

And Stoatie, I swear to you when I see the episode with Sarah Jane, I will more than likely cry like a kid whose birthday cake has been ruined.
 
 
Cat Chant
15:59 / 30.04.06
Best one of this series, so far.

Wow. How weird. I thought it was the worst episode of both seasons so far (::hides from Stoatie:: ). It broke the delicate balance between metaphor and reality which the Doctor/Rose as boyfriend/girlfriend theme has had all the way through - one joke from Mickey about 'the ex and the missus' would have been funny, but playing the whole thing as though they really were 'ex' and 'missus' was heavy-handed and missed a lot of the complications of the fact that, well, they weren't - like Rose said last season 'no, he's not my boyfriend, he's much more important than that'. (This might partly be because I'm a Davison girl, though, so [a] I'm used to there being more than one Companion at a time, and [b] I don't have more than the vaguest idea who Sarah-Jane Smith is, really.) And a lot of the dialogue was too direct: I liked the line Flowers quotes ("You can spend the rest of your life with me; I can't spend the rest of my life with you"), but much of it looked to me like the notes the writer should have taken for the emotions underlying the subtler, indirecter dialogue he should have written. Show! Don't tell!

(It was quite cute if you read it intertextually with Queer as Folk and realized that RTD has always thought of Doctor/Companion as the ideal romantic relationship, though. But not cute enough.)

Um... but K-9 was good, I thought, and I liked Mickey being a tin dog, and I loved Antony Head though I am sad that he was not the Master. And I thought the chips thing (especially with the Jamie Oliver reference that someone pointed out above) was great, particularly since it meant that it had to be the slightly tubby boy (on a diet) who saved the day. Oh, and a brilliant rebuttal to the idea that Who should be 'educational': learning too much at school is a Bad Thing! Yayy!
 
  

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