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Doctor Who: Season 2 UK

 
  

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Lama glama
08:16 / 23.04.06
Some random observations:

RTD really seems to enjoy cramming an animal rights reference into every episode. Also, as somebody on another message board pointed out, in all of Tennant's appearances as the Doctor so far, he has put something into his mouth. In TCI, it was the blood used to mind control the humans. Last week, he ripped open the IV bags with his teeth and this week we had him tasting the walls. Watch next week as he delicately sucks on K-9's chassis.
 
 
Tom Coates
11:31 / 23.04.06
Loved it. Hated last week's episode. Fucking loved this one. Next week's looks lame in many many ways - schools, demon headmaster, evil IT classes - but on the other hand Anthony Stewart Head, Sarah Jane Smith, K9?! I remember seeing K9 for the first time and thinking he was completely and totally awesome. Like the best pet ever - he's like a dog and he's nice and fun but you can talk to him and he has lasers! I was - however - quite a lonely kid. I'm sort of delighted that he's going to be in the series, although I'm also kind of scared that they won't be able to do him justice because he's all old and crappy now and the kids won't get why he's awesome and I'll be all sad on his behalf like when you see old dogs that are completely miserable but you remember them being puppies when they were awesome and beautiful. I really hope they manage to pull it off.

Is there any information on whether Sarah Jane is going to be joining the crew for any period of time, or is she just in it as a one-off? I like the idea of a few more recurring characters, and I'm interested in extending the dynamic on the TARDIS a little (as well as having a proper episode actually in the damn TARDIS showing us more of its innards. Any chance of these?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:41 / 23.04.06
I must confess to also being a little worried that K9 won't work- had they said they were bringing him in in the first season I would have thought it a terrible idea. Now they've proved to me that they pretty much know what they're doing I can't wait to see him.

I hope they don't just play him for comedy, although I'm expecting some amusing scenes with Rose trying to get her head round the concept of a dog/Big Trak hybrid.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:55 / 23.04.06
Next week's looks lame in many many ways

Specifically, it looks like Dark Season. Is RTD writing it?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:16 / 23.04.06
No. I forget who it is, but it's not RTD.
 
 
Lama glama
16:11 / 23.04.06
Toby Whithouse wrote School Reunion. He most recently wrote for BBC's answer to Footballer's Wives, Hotel Babylon. According to the wiki, he was friends with executive producer Julie Gardner before-hand and consequently was invited to write for Doctor Who. Let's hope that nepotism pays off.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:37 / 23.04.06
I just got around to seeing this on download. My thoughts may seem somewhat fragmented.

- too much running down corridors, again.

- interesting attempt to do the "educational historical episode", which I believe was part of the original Doctor Who project and tailed off after the first series. The research (Koh-i-Noor, haemophilia of Queen Victoria) didn't seem too clumsily shoehorned in, although I didn't feel it really clicked as natural: Rose immediately recognises the diamond, Doctor perkily recites that Albert cut it down 40% as if he's a walking wikipedia.*

- Rose and Doctor's giggling is getting very tiresome and makes me feel embarrassed. Why are they only now hugging each other over every new sight and celebrity? I don't remember them wetting themselves "hey.. CHARLES DICKENS!" "OMG I KNOW!!11" in the last series. Yes, it was a different Doctor, but this one apparently has a similar personality and intact memories of his adventures last season, and it's the same Rose. If anything, she should be cooler and less excitable now. Unless they're crushing on each other and that's the explanation for these kiddy in-jokes and tendency to find everything soooo exciting all of a sudden.

- admirably accomplished CGI; super wire-fu prelude before the credits, recalling the BBC idents of choreographed dancers in red outfits; suitably scary in places.

- Tennant = better as a Scot.


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* to the programme's credit, I did go to wikipedia afterwards to follow up those links. And was quite impressed to see that the Doctor was correct (I'd suspected he wasn't) in calling Victoria "Empress of India" in 1879 - she had held the title for only two years at the time.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:31 / 23.04.06
Victoria being bitten by the werewolf doesn't really go anywhere as she's an old lady at this point, not doing much breeding after this time. Still, it's only a joke, it's not like season two ends with another Bad Wolf, right?


Right? < g >
 
 
raggedman
18:53 / 23.04.06
has anyone mentioned the balls of RTD's timing!
last week, easter-Doctor Jesus heals the sick
this week, Queen's 80th birthday-she's revealed as a werewolf in waiting

is there some government report on education due out next week?

liked the Queen's ticking off because they find it all 'fun' (dubiousness of the figure head of the British Empire having a moral leg to stand on aside), i was actually feeling a bit weird about Rose's 'we are not amused' bet...it felt touristy and mocking so it was good to have some comeback...

is there anyway we can help Kali see Dalek? it's important.
i can post you a brit dvd if you promise to give it back?
 
 
Lama glama
19:12 / 23.04.06
Isn't the Queen supposed to be a huge fan of this? Wonder if she'll enjoy the not so gentle poking at her family's odd habits.
 
 
some guy
19:36 / 23.04.06
Still, it's only a joke, it's not like season two ends with another Bad Wolf, right?

No idea, but it's interesting that the werewolf/alien thing can sense that Rose was the Bad Wolf (and even describes her all lit up with the TARDIS energy). Maybe the climax of The Parting of the Ways is just set up for an even bigger payoff down the line?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:12 / 23.04.06
If you send a DVD, I swear to God, I'll send it back.

The squeal of joy would probably be heard even over there.
 
 
sleazenation
20:13 / 23.04.06
- too much running down corridors, again.

Rubbish! - Doctor Who is about running down corridors and what's more there was a logical plot reason for them to be doing so in this story. In fact, it was my favourite few lines

"why are we running?
-have you got any silver bullets?
-not on me, no.
-then wee run..."

Doctor perkily recites that Albert cut it down 40% as if he's a walking wikipedia.
I wouldn't be surprized if the dialogue wasn't culled from wikipedia... and yes, I believe there were 8 assasination attempt in total on her, but i guess only 6 of those before 1879...

- Rose and Doctor's giggling is getting very tiresome
I thought the giggling especialy at the start on the tardis floor, was a conscious echo of the Dickens episode...

In fact there was a lot of intertextual references throughout the episode... from American Werewolf in London to 28 Days later...

The only bit where i found the giggling tiresome was the whole bit about the Royal family being werewolves...

And then there was the Torchwood bit, which felt a bit tacked on, like they were trying to prepare a spin-off franchise rather than something that was evolving organically...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:48 / 23.04.06
Do you want to explore that a bit? So far it's been a quiz answer on The Weakest Link, we find out that Queen Victoria has a hand in it's inception to combat the sort of threats she's seen while with the Doctor, then by sometime in the first decade of the twenty-first century it's got a fuck-off big space laser it's cobbled together from alien tech. I'm not sure why you think that's cobbled together. It's currently more stable than the whole 'I Create Myself' brouhaha from series one.

Has anyone noticed that series two is so far following the pattern of series one, bar 'Rose'? Episode Two of Series One: They go five million years in to the future. Episode one of Series Two: Five million and twenty years. Episode Three of Series One: They go to late Victorian times, outside England, and meet a historical personage. Episode Two of Series Two: Snap. Episode Four of Series One: Back to present-day Earth, and Mickey. Episode Three of Series Two: As far as we can tell...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:04 / 23.04.06
Rubbish! - Doctor Who is about running down corridors

True, but with respect to a telly institution, Doctor Who "is" a lot of bad things that don't need to be repeated or incorporated in these episodes; and the new Who has been quite different from what the programme is traditionally "about", in some ways.
 
 
sleazenation
21:35 / 23.04.06
I somehow knew you were going to say that Miss Wonderstarr...

I still disagree - it was a nod to fans of the old series, true, but also had strong narrative reasons to be in there this episode - when you can't fight, you can only run and/or hide...
 
 
sleazenation
22:01 / 23.04.06
Re Torchwood -

So far, the feeling I have got from the Torchwood stuff, excluding the quiz answer in Bad Wolf, feels kind of like Jinx felt in the latest Bond film. She wasn't really an integrated component to the storyline - she was a crossover star given a higher billing than she deserved. And that's kind of how i feel with Torchwood - it's kind of shoe-horned in there detracting from the Doctor. And it doesn't feel subtle. It feels like a honking great flashing neon house ad for another show from the makers of Doctor Who bunged into the middle of the narrative where it doesn't belong...
 
 
some guy
22:23 / 23.04.06
with respect to a telly institution, Doctor Who "is" a lot of bad things that don't need to be repeated or incorporated in these episodes

Such as?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:40 / 23.04.06
In fact there was a lot of intertextual references throughout the episode... from American Werewolf in London to 28 Days later...

I know I've mentioned this already, but please don't tell me I'm the only person on Barbelith to have seen Brotherhood of the Wolf? Plotwise this was near identical up until about the last fifteen minutes. ESPECIALLY the cult... "lupus Dei" as opposed to the Dominicans ("Hounds of God"... see what they did there?) And the introduction of wire-fu acrobatics into a werewolf story... now let me think, where have I seen that before?

That said, Who's never been frightened of stealing. And at its best, it does it well. I thought it did it well this time.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:42 / 23.04.06
Just to add- "lupus Dei" was not used in the show as a name for them, but it seemed appropriate (the whole "lupus Dei est" chant thing). That would be a parallel too far, seeing as how it would be one I made up.
 
 
Triplets
02:30 / 24.04.06
although I'm expecting some amusing scenes with Rose trying to get her head round the concept of a dog/Big Trak hybrid.

Big Trak? Issat like an Aibo or sumfin?
 
 
sleazenation
06:10 / 24.04.06
No, Stoatie, you are not the only person to have seen Brotherhood of the Wolf - I saw it at a press screening and found it great fun - but a period, French-language kung-fu fantasy I guess that its reach would not perhaps be particularly widfe outside of the more dedicated horror fans...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:43 / 24.04.06
Such as?

Such as low-budget special effects.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:07 / 24.04.06
Brotherhood of the Wolf, s'an alright film. Strong echoes of it in Tooth and Claw.

Last weeks episode seemed a little "Meh.". All the hype of the Doctor's first alien world and it's just Earth of the Future. If it looks like Earth and has a New York, and it's home to the Human Race then it's sodding Earth. Doesn't matter where it's stellar co-ordinates are.

It was an okay storyline. But just didn't do it for me.

Tooth and Claw, damn good but still had plot holes you could drive a car through.

I'm wondering if this Royal werewolf thing is going to come up in Torchwood being as the Doctor mentions that the 21st century would be when the alien will regain conciousness. Perhaps one of the first Torchwood episodes will involve them having to deal with the threat that sparked their creation.

I hope RTD isn't setting up Torchwood as people who perceive the Doctor as a threat, even if the PM now doesn't like the Doctor either it would be tricky to finagle an explanation for old fans as to why they didn't go for him all those years he worked for UNIT.

Classic Who continuity has been pretty much blasted out of the water by the Time War and the death of the Time Lords. Torchwood can easily be retconned into conflicts with UNIT. Time War = Crisis on Infinite Earths.

UNIT seemed to have some jurisdiction over Torchwood from the Christmas Episode. Perhaps it'd been mothballed for several decades Department X stlye and only revived after the return of the Autons and the Slitheen incident?
 
 
some guy
15:36 / 24.04.06
Such as low-budget special effects.

It looks like those are here to stay...
 
 
sleazenation
15:54 / 24.04.06
It looks like those are here to stay...

???
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:19 / 24.04.06
K9 goes all 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' on your ass. Only with better animation.
 
 
&#9632;
19:55 / 24.04.06
Ok, back to my rather rash assertion that no single episode of original Who matches the new ones. (I have to engage with this thread somehow or my head will burst).
I got Robots of Death and yes, I can see that the plot is pretty tight (if a little confused towards the end) and there's a welcome lack the sort of explication that burdened so many JNT stories. Thanks for the tip.
There is a lot of corridor running, though, and a few problems (such as: if these robots really can run so fast, why do they walk everywhere so slowly?).
The effects are pretty bloody good and the costumes are superb (for the time, anyway). A few too many characters, perhaps, but that's a minor niggle.
So, yes, I'll give you that one. I still maintain that the majority of old Who was pretty sloppy (Hinchliffe seems to have had a firmer hand but, even then, stories such as Hand of Fear and Terror of the Zygons have far too much running back and forth, waiting for something to happen) and had a lot of time-filling that RTD doesn't tend to allow (unless it's the increasingly annoying "isn't this great!" exchanges).
I do love old Who - which is why I shall be blubbing again at about 7:55pm this Saturday - but I think it increasingly made the mistake of not knowing who its target audience was, trying too hard to be hardcore SF (how many people understood what the hell was going on in Warrior's Gate when they were kids, for example?) when it was best at sticking to simpler stories like the ones we have now and, yes, Robots of Death (the plot may be complex, but the idea is very simple).
So, my point is that even if RTD is one of the weakest writers, he's a great producer.
 
 
some guy
20:53 / 24.04.06
There is a lot of corridor running, though

Good thing we didn't see anything like that on Saturday.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:54 / 24.04.06
K9 goes all 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' on your ass.

Oh dear... my first reaction to that new picture isn't enthusiastic. Last week's trailer certainly seems to show the old K-9, so I'm not sure what's happened here. He looks too cartoony and "zany" in the other image. "Join K-9 on an adventure thru GCSE revision! click 2 start!"
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:56 / 24.04.06
Oh, sorry. It's a spin-off show, which I suppose has different sorts of K-9 designs and continuity.
 
 
&#9632;
22:04 / 24.04.06
Just watching Lis Sladen's appearance on Blue Peter. It's possibly not for the spolier-fearing (it's got lots of shots from eps 4 and 5) but I love her even more for having unapologetically used the expression "proprietorial jealousy" on a flagship children's show.
Is it just me or does she look better now than she ever did?
[Sigh][Crush]
OOh, and K9 gets wuffled by real dogs.
Who hounds wuffling
Daawww.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:31 / 25.04.06
More Torchwood plugging on this week's Tardisode.

Mickey's hacking them secret government files (you'd have thought they'd have changed their codes by now) looking for UFO sightings. Catches something about a school and gets blocked by a screen saying "TORCHWOOD! ACCESS DENIED!".

Seems Mickey's been able to call Rose all the time. Sweet of him not to be constantly calling her up.



Kind of spoiler...








Excerpt I caught at the gym from Blue Peter:

Sarah and Rose comparing threats faced in a game of one-up:

Sarah: Daleks?

Rose: Met the Emperor.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:53 / 25.04.06
Did anyone else think that Billie Piper was a bit hammy this week? I don't know, last series I thought she was brilliant but that may be because she just 'bounced' better off Chris E.

This series she's gone all obvious looks and nudges.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:10 / 25.04.06
I developed a surprise crush on her last season but the last two episodes made me want to put her in a box and sit on the lid. She is (perhaps they are, together) making it feel like kids' telly. Oh, but "it's always been kids' telly". Well, I didn't feel last season that I was watching something whose primary audience was 12-15 year olds.
 
  

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