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Doctor Who: Season 2 UK

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:02 / 08.07.06
See, the only problem is that His Dark Materials did the 'splitting the two heroes up in alternate universes' thing better.

On the other hand, maybe if Billie Piper's leaving had been kept as a fucking surprise rather than everyone everywhere saying it was going to happen, including the two parter itself it might have been more emotionally affecting. I didn't know about the finale of His Dark Materials until I read it. It wasn't good enough for me that Rose didn't actually die.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:05 / 08.07.06
Although you have just ruined the Pullman for anyone yet to read it, I am in agreement...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:06 / 08.07.06
Fuck 'em, they've had eight years.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:08 / 08.07.06
But you're right, though... that was ALL about the "dust", wasn't it?
 
 
sleazenation
18:08 / 08.07.06
Your a hard person to please Flowers...

Not that I found this episode entirely satisfying either, but, you know - I still enjoyed it...

170-odd days to go to the next episode...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:12 / 08.07.06
I want to make this clear, for all the people who say I hate everything: I LIKED THIS EPISODE, but I didn't love it.
 
 
sleazenation
18:13 / 08.07.06
I'm interested to see what new dynamic Dr Who will adopt post-the tyler family...

Is the 'Eastenders with monsters' kind thing going to be repeatable? I'd hope they wouldn't even want to try...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:13 / 08.07.06
Well, that's alright then.
 
 
sleazenation
18:15 / 08.07.06
Did anyone else notice how bad Billie Piper's skin looked throughout the cybermen recording block?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:16 / 08.07.06
I'm pissed off that they've closed the door to the possibility of Jackie as companion.

I'm REALLY pissed off about that.

That's why I cried, honest.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:17 / 08.07.06
Eastenders with monsters? Really?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:21 / 08.07.06
Speaking as someone who hasn't seen Eastenders in the best part of two decades, is that accurate?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:21 / 08.07.06
The Jackie/Pete thing worked as though that had been the true intention of the show since Rose's first episode which was possibly why I liked that so much...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:25 / 08.07.06
Eastenders now have alternate universe counterparts, it makes the feuds and dramatical situations so much sweeter.

"But it's not cheating when it's your alternate self from another dimension!"

"This way you don't have to give birth to what is essentially our child!"

etc.
 
 
Bed Head
18:25 / 08.07.06
Well, I loved it. Football’s on now, but briefly: trailing Rose as getting exterminatededed tonight meant I thought she really was hell-bound. Right up until the last second - like, literally, the last second before she was saved. Truly, I am teh gullible, but sometimes that's a good thing. And - jeez, I can’t have been the only barb geek to have thought ohmygodit’sCrazyJane at that point, that point where she’s spiraling off to Hell in a big whoosy swirl? And also soon after where she’s stranded in the grey-tinged real world. Surely?

But just in Who terms, loved it. Also, Billie rocked. Also, I think agree with everything Charlie Brooker said today re: series 2 and how Billie acts everyone else off the bbc.
 
 
Bed Head
18:29 / 08.07.06
Actually, sod the football for the mo.

Eastenders with monsters is a fucking genius idea. They should have those in real Eastenders.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:38 / 08.07.06
Stoatie: Or that Torchwood grew out of what was left of UK-UNIT after the Slitheen's attack last year. Nah, they had the money to build Canary Wharf WAY before that. But there are all manner of ways you can justify that- I was guessing a secret Queen V trust fund, myself.

Easiest answer to the problem of Torchwood never having been mentioned prior to this series is that Torchwood didn't exist until this series. It's not a fixed timeline - the Doctor's interventions in the past alter the future. Nine never encountered Torchwood because Ten had yet to accidentally create Torchwood.

I liked that episode. Weirdly, the opening stretch sagged a bit, dropped the pace that last week's "things get worse, quickly" cliffhanger had been leading up to. Daleks/Cybermen were clearly just there for the big send-off - the massive battle was never really shown - but that's cool, because the send-off worked very well.

Catherine Tate. Ack. Diappointed me, that - she looked like some creepy, ghostly messenger of doom when she had her back turned - which was cool - then she spins around and we get the comedy moment. I fear the Christmas special and wonder how well the next series can manage without Piper, whose character was more or less the glue holding New Who together. Also wonder how ver kids are going to react to the non-Roseness of the next series.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:42 / 08.07.06
Nice idea Dupre but Torchwood was already mentioned in Bad Wolf and The Christmas Invasion.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:45 / 08.07.06
BILLIE: Oh Doctor, why didn't we knock fash trainers when we had the chance?

THE DOCTOR: D'you mean you were up for it then? Oh bollo ...

Their worlds part forever.

Cut to the Tardis, as THE DOCTOR bangs his head repeatedly against the control panel, then shrugs, mugs disconsolately at the camera, and types 'hotttbabes' into the console's search engine


THE DOCTOR (muttering): She did Chris Evans as well ... Fuck ... When am I going to ever learn ...

Would have seemed like a better ending.

As it was though, it was all a bit 'nurse, pass the sickbag,' I found.

Okay it's on on BBC1 at seven in the evening, but it's all so tiringly vanilla.
 
 
sleazenation
18:47 / 08.07.06
I think there is a porn version of Dr Who if you really fancy seeing various non-vanilla versions of the series...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:49 / 08.07.06
Now now AG, you're describing some of my best friends...

No kiss-kiss Doctor-Rose for you Alex's Granny!
 
 
sleazenation
20:32 / 08.07.06
There is a lovely little piece on this running on BBCnews24 at the moment covering the 'event' of Billie Piper leaving Doctor Who... while I greatly enjoyed it, love old Aunty Beeb, rolling news and Doctor Whop all greatly, I cannot help but think that this is the sort of thing that leaves the corporation (and the whole notion of rolling news) open to all sorts of accusations...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:38 / 08.07.06
What, the accusation that BBC News (especially Breakfast News) has become little more than an advertising service for BBC TV?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:40 / 08.07.06
I thought it was great - particularly the cut to black, "Rose..." and then the music starts again and "I had a dream last night..." The final issue of Doom Patrol is a pretty good reference point, I think. In some ways I would have been happier if the end had been Rose and her indulgent, worried entourage travelling around trying to find a way to contact the Doctor which never quite materialised - but that's a bit too gutting, plus it would be the kind of open-ended ending which would inevitably lead to a probably ill-advised follow-up*. As it was, what I liked about the ending was how nearly it mirroed The Girl In The Fireplace, which felt pretty thick with thematic foreshadowing at the time, and now feels even more so and demands a second viewing. (Also, they totally managed to make me think for just a few vital moments that Rose really might get sucked into hell.)

Other things I really liked: how in some ways, the big war and the carnage and storm was all background to the big separation; and yet at the same time the situation seemed so fucked that at one point I really did wonder if the Doctor was just going to have to abandon 'our' reality and go live in the parallel one, sealing the breach behind him...

I thought the very end was fine, really - you've got to put some kind of teaser in there for something that's on the way, whether it was Torchwood the series or the next Who season, and I was pleased it was something totally unexpected.

*There's another reason they didn't do this, I think, but to the Torchwood thread for that.
 
 
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22:00 / 08.07.06
Posting from a friend's dialup, so not much time to read this week's posts, but I think RTD redeemed himself tonight. It made my friend cry and made my teeth hurt through holding in the geeky squee. There were problems, but I don't give a shit right now. Yay! But Catherine Tate? What? What? What?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:18 / 08.07.06
His Doc Materials?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:44 / 08.07.06
Fly: I thought the very end was fine, really - you've got to put some kind of teaser in there for something that's on the way, whether it was Torchwood the series or the next Who season, and I was pleased it was something totally unexpected.

I agree on the point that you probably need to have something at the end to hook people in for the next time around and that that something should be unexpected. My complaints are that the tonal shift was precisely the same as at the end of last series - mucho sadness followed by an unexpected appearance and a goofy joke moment - and that what we got wasn't as good as what my head thought we were going to get. But then, I would say that.

All the way through the last two eps I've been waiting for the reappearance, in some form, of the Timelords, because there's only so long that you can keep on with the "I'm the last of my race" stuff before the audience gets tired of it. Sooner or later, newer viewers are going to want some history, some backstory in there besides the odd nod to the fanboy crowd. Sooner or later, the Time War malarkey is going to have to be expanded on significantly, especially if it keeps on getting referenced - and it will keep on getting referenced as long as the Daleks are making their inevitable appearances.

So I had a feeling that the sphere was going to be related to the Time Lords in some way. I suppose it almost was, in the sense that it housed some of their tech. And then the creepy figure in white that turned out to be the Walking Catchphrase, Matt Lucas' female counterpart. In the two seconds before we saw her face I was so hyped for that to be the spirit of somebody from the Doctor's past, beaming in with an emergency signal of some kind. Because, as I say, I really think that something like that has to happen at some point if the show isn't going to be damned to a limited series run or relegation to a different time-slot and channel when RTD jumps ship.
 
 
sleazenation
22:51 / 08.07.06
A question: In our world, Torchwood was created in response to the Doctor and Rose - what was the genesis for it in the parallel world with all the cybermen?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
06:58 / 09.07.06
It was funded by their grumpy little Queen Vic after she read The War Of The Worlds and couldn't sleep for a week.

I loved the show. The dust and must close the portals stuff came straight from Dark Materials, true, and Pete's final universe-jump was unconvincingly done. But it was emotionally satisfying, particularly for the bairns and it is a kids' show. My nieces have been hugely impressed by it and their main concern was that Rose should not really die.

Lots of great lines and lovely playground taunts between Daleks and Cybermen. And liked Tracy-Anne Oberman as the Cyberman Who Cried.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:13 / 09.07.06
There is something immensely satisfying by two alien races trying to invade Earth at the same time and getting side-tracked into fighting one another.
 
 
sleazenation
10:15 / 09.07.06
It would be even funnier if the whole think happened on the moon or something where there are no civillians to witness it or to be at risk - a whole great two-pronged invasion that no-one is any the wiser of ever happening...

Actually, that's not a bad idea...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:33 / 09.07.06
They couldn't touch, I appreciate, but given that this was the last time they were ever going to meet, couldn't Billie have at least stripped down to the waist, while the Doctor, in the manner of the dalek Genesis thing, aimed various potential 'little Doctors' across the universes, with a message of love?

As viewers, we pretty clearly haven't heard the last of the daleks or the cybermen, so ...

The producers missed a trick there, I think.

It would have been a lot more poignant.
 
 
Ganesh
10:49 / 09.07.06
The Doctor shooting his love across the void...
 
 
Lama glama
12:17 / 09.07.06
Anyway.

Catherine Tate as the Bride would have been a surprise, if I hadn't read Outpost Gallifrey earlier that day. Foolish boy. I'm not as ticked off about her appearing in an episode as other people seem to be. It's not like she's going to be doing her own material during the episode so I don't see the problem. I was wary of Peter Kay's casting too, but I enjoyed Love and Monsters tremendously despite my pre-reservations.

I enjoyed the episode, but after the first ten minutes I thought that it was just going to be Cybermen and Daleks exchanging put-downs until a stray Dalek blast shot Rose in the head. Fortunately, however things picked up. I loved Rose's farewell (cried both times I saw it), the effects, music and mostly everything else was great.

I thought Noel Clarke and Hayden Smith were the weak points in the episode, with much of their humourous material falling flat on its face.

Next season is going to be a huge change on many fronts. New companion, new producer, a (rumoured) new composer-should be interesting to see how things turn out.

Our Lady: Well, that saves me having to read that series of books. Thanks.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
13:25 / 09.07.06
Cybermen schmybermen. Rather limp in the battle of the ultra-villains, weren't they?
 
  

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