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Infinite Crisis

 
  

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Phex: Dorset Doom
18:09 / 12.02.06
Seeing as we're all pretty hung up on Superboy Prime and his 'episode', I recommend Teen Titans 32, even if you're not a regular reader of the series. It fleshes out the whole fight, with a bunch of stuff you've seen already (like the Titans, JSA and Doom Patrol turning up, but in a double page spread that's pretty spectacular), plus Beast Boy remembers his Earth-2(?) life with Doom Patrol once the cosmic shit hits the fan. Oh, and the major difference between TT#32 and IC#4 is that Speedy finally uses her mysterious Blue Arrow, swiped from the Fortress of Solitude when Arsenal was Speedy. It's pretty cool, but you already know how this one ends.
 
 
Mario
19:12 / 12.02.06
not Earth-2. Pre-Crisis (or, at the very least, pre-Byrne)
 
 
Sniv
21:10 / 12.02.06
Has anyone else read the last issue of JSA yet? It's an Earth-2 tale, narrated by Lois, and set in the restored Earth 2. It's pretty fun stuff, and reminded me a lot of the Kal-L/hypertime scene in the Kingdom... argh, I just so want hypertime to be cannon, and with Waid and Morrison writing 52, a boy can hope, can't he?
 
 
Aertho
21:15 / 12.02.06
Weren't you the boy who was making a case for continuity and against artistic license just a day or two ago?
 
 
FinderWolf
01:18 / 13.02.06
Fun tidbits from the latest DCU panels

>> DiDio: "One Crisis is over, the DC Universe is standing naked in front of you."

Grant Morrison: [quickly] "Remember though, it's almost 80 years old, you may not want to look."

Crowd: [big laughs]

>> It was strongly stressed that after Crisis is over, DC really wants to stay way from crossovers for a long time, because they want the entire Universe to be exciting, as opposed to building event on top of event on top of event, etc...

Johns said Crisis and 52 is being used to revitalize the entire DCU line. DiDio added they didn't want to get into "One-Upsmanship" like they were 10 years ago where subsequent crossovers were weaker than the previous, and eventually the entire line fails on you.


>> Later in the panel, a fan asked that since the Spectre is the wrath of God, does that mean that "God" exists in the DCU?

The panelist agreed that while individuals may not agree with the existence of God, God does exist in the DCU.

Johns clarified by saying God is not a character that is going to come down from heaven with a staff and fight alongside the Justice League, to which Waid quickly responded, "Oh, that would be cool though."

The same fan then asked why God let the Spectre be such a "bastard" in Day of Vengeance, killing people left and right, to which Grant Morrison responded, "Are you asking us to do 'The Trial of God'?"

Rucka: "Oh, great, you just gave away the 2008 event."
 
 
FinderWolf
16:40 / 15.02.06
Rich Johston reports rumors this week about 8C...and that Marvel, not to be outdone by DC, is toying with the idea of a "Crisis" of their own:

>> I understand that "Infinite Crisis #6" is to be delayed anything up to a month. There is industry speculation that this is to accommodate a reworking to suit that same [hardcore fanboy] audience. An initial ending would have seen a single Earth established, reflecting the original Crisis, but it looks like a new multiple Earth system is being devised instead.

And now there's Marvel's "Civil War." Can this reach DC's heights? "House Of M," "Planet Hulk," "Decimation" and the like have been sellouts... will Marvel go for any money left on the table that DC haven't grabbed yet? Oh, quite possibly. It's going to be a bloodbath.

But I hear from some people in the Marvel camp that they're running a bait and switch. Look like they're doing an "Infinite Crisis" style project for all their characters... to get all the hardcore fanboys on side... and then do something very different indeed. They may not like it, but they'll have bought it. Hell, they'll probably like it. And it will be part of a new comics reader outreach attempt.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:01 / 15.02.06
I thought that was referring to Civil War itself, unless they have an even nother event planned after that, but, yikes, that'd sure be a lot.

Johnston sort of references the idea that Joey Da Q had posited, that Civil War is a best of both worlds because of the "Ripped From Today's Headlines" press it's going to get all while satisfying the hardcores at the same time.

This is an optimal approach for Marvel, as they've always had the best shot at achieving something like this. The DCU is completely shunted out of our reality, so the only coverage it will ever get is "Superman's New Look!" "Robin Dies!" etcetera. Infinite Crisis will never get that kind of attention because it's so tremendously insular, as has been the way of the DCU since time immemorial.

That was an interesting read, but I think from a narrative standpoint, for the DCU at least, something like its current cohesion was sort of inevitable. It's so steeped in intricacies ("This title is about Robin, only he's grown up and he's not Robin anymore, there's another Robin, okay, long story...") that it makes sense to just build a wall and just make it as coherent as possible. Marvel, on the other hand, can really tell any kind of story it likes. Wolverine is always Wolverine. There's no Wolverine Lad who might someday become Wolverine. Etcetera. This is why I think it's a bad idea for them to try to replicate DC's approach. They should focus more on the way the DCU is being "rebooted", with high profile teams on like 80% of their books. Counter a Simonson/Chaykin Hawkgirl (?!?!?!?) with a Nocenti/Adams Longshot. Or something. Infinite Crisis is/was a culmination and a means to an end in terms of where the DCU was headed and what had happened over the past ten years or whatever. It seems like Civil War was just an idea that Mark Millar and Bendis had.

I really believe that they're two fundamentally different Universes and the same approach will never work for both of them, in the long run. Civil War will sell tons and tons of books. If you look at the cover dress of the crossovers, it almost looks like different installments of the same series. Once they're on a rack together I can easily see people just indescriminately plucking up the whole lot, strictly based on visual impetus. However, as we've seen with most reaction to House Of M, no one believes that any of these changes will be permanent.

The DCU, being its insular, walled-off self, can have these sorts of events and since they have a set in stone Trinity, they can literally tear everything else down around them, indescriminately. New Catwoman? Sure. Like 18 different Flashes? Why not?

I doubt it's the kind of approach that's going to tear down the medium anytime soon, but I do think it makes for a richer narrative experience, in my opinion.
 
 
Robert B
18:01 / 15.02.06
I tend to avoid crossovers (Atlantis Attacks!) but I'm actually really enjoying Infinite Crisis. Just curious who the 30 dead are going to be that Johns mentioned at Wondercon. Will anyone care based on the dead so far? Bushido? Baby Wildebeast? Do Titans fans even care about these characters or are these shock value deaths only?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:07 / 15.02.06
I think they've already got to be at least at ten, with the Freedom Force and random Teen Titans that got axed. Also, technically Firestorm died and Jade definitely died over in the Rann Thanagar special. So did an apparently important Thanagarian (is there a Hawkwoman?) in Rann Thanagar Countdown...
 
 
Robert B
18:13 / 15.02.06
Oh yeah. Forgot about the dead of the various countdown series (all of which I avoided except for Countdown to...). So, 20 left to go.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:19 / 15.02.06
>> Will anyone care based on the dead so far?

Not so far, that's for sure. Though it was fun that Johns/Superboy killed off all those Titans D-listers.
 
 
Robert B
18:28 / 15.02.06
>>Not so far, that's for sure. Though it was fun that Johns/Superboy killed off all those Titans D-listers.

I have to admit I enjoyed the carnage as well.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:31 / 28.02.06
rumor has it that issue 5 is out tomorrow.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:18 / 28.02.06
Rich Johnston says this week:

>> The word on the floor was that "Infinite Crisis" was late due to delayed scripts. In order to speed the slipping "Infinite Crisis," George Perez will pencil issue #6 of the series, the artwork being digitally reproduced from his pencils.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:20 / 28.02.06
and, in One Year Later news, Johnston 'reports':

>> I hear the new writers of "Action Comics" are Geoff Johns and his old boss Richard Donner.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:00 / 01.03.06
Birdie, your Wed. afternoon 3pm review/thoughts...?

Also, check out this interview with Dan D. There's a headless Pantha action figure joke, info. on why #5 was delayed and last-minute Dan D.-dictated changes to the issue...you'll laugh, you'll cry.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
19:10 / 01.03.06
DD: All of them. And some of the shifts have been explained away with the “Continuity Wave.” See, its working already.

Hoo boy. The continuity wave. Because just accepting that different books tell different stories is too fucking hard. Instead, see, it has to be someone pounding on the fabric of reality!

I honestly don't understand why a grotesquely contrived explanation is preferable to just being loose about differences.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:13 / 01.03.06
SPOO-OH-OH-OHHHHYLLLERRRR -----



*****







and DiDio hints at Anti-Muperboy (see about 2 pages prior in this thread)!
 
 
Aertho
19:31 / 01.03.06
Earth-8?

Ha!
 
 
FinderWolf
19:40 / 01.03.06
Godwave, Continuity Wave...all things that will be forgotten in 5 years.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
20:25 / 01.03.06
Hey, cut me some slack. I was busy constructing a brand spanking new, OYL-Centric radio station.

And nothing happened in this issue any damn way. Okay, fine. Plenty happened. But you all know what it was by now.
 
 
FinderWolf
06:37 / 02.03.06
Jerry Ordway's art on this issue particularly rocked. He really gave Ye Olde Supes some nice aging in his jaw and neck to make him look more realistically older as opposed to 'a few wrinkles around the eyes and grey temples.'

I really liked IC #5. Especially enjoyed how 'I don't quite know how or why, but everything connects to/comes from Superman,' in any version of the DCU.

And anti-Muperboy makes his big zombified debut!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:15 / 02.03.06
I have heard a rumour that this issue features all the good guys going to church and hearing a sermon delivered by an angel. Confirm/deny?
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
12:12 / 02.03.06
Confirm, with the following provisios (from what I remember, I don't have it in front of me):

It's probably not all of the good guys, but a bunch of them. The angel=Zauriel. In the interests of balance, Mr T(errific) gives a little speech on Atheism.
 
 
Aertho
12:45 / 02.03.06
Sî, Mr. T says he's the third smartest cat in the DCU to Ragman, who says he's Jewish and doesn't really trust his team.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:48 / 02.03.06
ok, let's all guess now:

first smartest person in the DCU: Luthor?

2nd smartest: Batman?

3rd smartest, Mr. Terrific of course.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:50 / 02.03.06
funny how Zauriel 'died' at the end of Morrison's JLA run and then just showed up alive & active again at some point...I guess angels can't really 'die.'

And I have to give credit where credit is due: Chad came up with the name 'Anti-Muperboy,' which I absolutely love.
 
 
The Falcon
15:20 / 02.03.06
Zauriel died and was reborn all in the WWIII arc, Finder. No-one else resurrected him.

I love Zauriel, he's one of my fave DC's.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:11 / 02.03.06
Having Zaurael lead the surmon was a nice touch.

Somehow the 3 smartest men will be sorted out in 52. My guess is that William Manus (creator of the METAL MEN) figures as #2. Perhaps with Niles Caulder ranking as #1.

I doubt Luthor would even appear on such a list as he'd refuse to even be catalogued in such a way. Same thing with BATMAN. As there's no Reed Richards in the DCU who else would qualify as a super-inventor?

Dug the earth-2/earth-1 artwork very much. A very classy way to split art chores. Earth-8 what a hoot.

The ghost of earth-2 Wonder Woman was also a nice touch. This Crisis seems to really be creating a strong character arch for WW. Perhaps it's the fact that WW has only 1 title that has been tightly tied into the events of 8C as opposed to BATMAN and SUPERMAN who each have 4-5 monthly titles.


Bit of an odd gap between the last issue and this issue in terms of the BATMAN/Nightwing thing. Enjoyed the WORLD's Finest v2.0 in that Nightwing + Superboy team-up. Plus the return of Barry Alan?
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:42 / 02.03.06
PS: did anyone else pick up the BATMAN annual. Jason Todd's life, saved by Superboy's pounding.
 
 
Mario
22:09 / 02.03.06
We also get a Shilo Norman cameo (based on costume), as well as a Frankenstein cameo (on top of a bus on the same page).

Kudos to a poster on Comicbloc for catching the latter.
 
 
alexsheers
10:38 / 03.03.06
And isn't that Grant Morrison's Overman, from Animal Man #24, in the 'infinite Supermen' panel?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:49 / 03.03.06
PS: did anyone else pick up the BATMAN annual. Jason Todd's life, saved by Superboy's pounding.
God bless Superboy for that, I love Jason Todd! It was actually a great issue and I liked that Superboys pounding made things right, but even if you didn't like that explanation, the rest of the book was really solid.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:39 / 03.03.06
And isn't that Grant Morrison's Overman, from Animal Man #24, in the 'infinite Supermen' panel?

Reckon so. Millar's 'evil' superman was there too, from the Tangent line.
 
 
Mario
11:41 / 03.03.06
Hard to say, we only got bits of them. I did see the Tangent Superman, the Silver-Age Superman-Red (and Blue), Red Son Supes, and a couple from other Elseworlds...

Interestingly, one could say that Alex is trying to create the perfect Hypertimeline... despite DiDio's claim that Hypertime is a dead concept.
 
  

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