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Matthew Fluxington

00:15 / 18.11.05

So Eko's silence really had nothing to do with the mysterious spirituality at the heart of his character?

Barbelith, city of geniuses! How did I ever stay away from for so long?

01:13 / 18.11.05

And a stupid question I've been wanting to ask but what does "sweeps" refer to in television.

Advertising rates for network television in America are set based on the ratings you get during certain pre-designated periods. As a result networks do their best to cram as many special guest stars, character deaths, major turning points, and other gimmicks as they can into... say... the month of November. And thus we get things like the West Wing live debate, Medium in 3-D, and Ray Romano showing up on King of Queens.

07:27 / 18.11.05

Flux do you find it absolutely necessary to respond to people in such fashion even though you dont really read their posts? I mean do you sincerely think the things you've said in this thread were novel thoughts to any poster or that agreeing with you makes them ineligible to think the things they think?

After all I don't see how it didn't work in their favour that this was an Ana-Lucia episode and they had Mister Eko be silent for 40 days. I think the silence thing was overdone and we didnt need him not talking that period just to convey his mystery or coolness. You've really missed the point once again.

Matthew Fluxington

11:21 / 18.11.05

BUT HIS SELF-IMPOSED SILENCE IS NOT SOME RANDOM BIT OF TRIVIA BUT RATHER AN IMPORTANT PART OF HIS CHARACTER. It was not an arbitrary thing. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Did it give more room for other characters to talk? Well, yeah. But it was not a device intended only to facillitate that!

Matthew Fluxington

11:22 / 18.11.05

40 days is not an abritrary number of days!

12:02 / 18.11.05

I'm joining Flux's Camp. I like Trips and Boboss anyway. And it's always a good idea to be on Flyboy's side.

Krug: Google 40 days and Bible. Learn something new.

14:49 / 18.11.05

Flux, no one's disagreeing with you. We are both right, that's the long and short of it. Having Eko stay silent throughout the majority of the episode was a way to BOTH shine the spotlight on Ana-Lucia AND add some mystery and spirituality to Eko. All I'm saying is, due to Eko's silence, A-L got to make the decisions, got to make the mistakes, etc -- it was she who tossed Nathan in the hole, who figured out Goodwin was a spy, etc. All while Eko worked behind the scenes, but still contributed to the story proper. That's all, man. You're getting hyped up over semantics.

12:42 / 19.11.05

Not a bad episode, loved the talk with the Other and the whole bad person angle. Will be good to get them all together next week to see how they all get along as a big happy family.

I still like AL but maybe that's cause I'm a tree hugger. I don't get the hate towards her in the same way as I don't get the instant love for Echo....

22:14 / 19.11.05

Chad: You might find it impressive how popular the "forty days and forty nights" has become ever since scripture tells a story IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WAY WITH NOTHING TO DO WITH SILENCE but some of us don't clap our hands in glee at what seems contrived.

It's all right to not be an expert on a foreign religion but I think it's worse being presumptuous don't you think?

Forty days of silence as penance or soul searching or whatever it was is contrived and silly unless they have an obscure esoteric faith to back it up with. So far there seems to be nothing backing it up and the just because it's forty days doesnt make me think it was a clever reference to the bible.

And please don't insult my intelligence by saying that Mister Eko's forty days of wandering was more metaphorical and all wandering was within thus the silence.

Are you going to tell me Ana weeping after forty days was also biblical?

I do think we should stick to the topic and leave out the slagging or assume other posters are ignorant. I'm not sure what purpose that will serve. If you have anything similar to add I must excuse myself from responding in advance.

P. Horus Rhacoid

00:37 / 20.11.05

Finally saw this. Pretty good. The scene between AL and whatsisface the mole was excellent- I warmed to her a lot in that scene just because as soon as she asked to go with him you knew that she knew. She still grates on me a bit but her reactions are placed in some context so it's all good. I'm liking the little hints we're getting as to her backstory, too: the long pause before she says she has no kids coupled with her extreme emotional attachment to the two kids from the plane definitely hints at some interesting territory. Her wedding ring was also pretty conspicuous in a couple shots.

On the 40-day vow of silence: it's pretty obviously religious in nature (however arbitrary the actual silence part may or may not be)- they lingered on Eko holding the Bible for long enough, and I think it's been hinted before that he's a religious person- but when did it start? It was right after he killed the two people, right? Which was also when he started marking his stick, as I recall. Penance of some kind?

And to quiiiickly run back two pages earlier to the argument about Lost being a serial and whether it's taking too long to reveal things- I realized that I watched the whole first season mostly in one go, which means I probably didn't notice the long swathes of nothing important being revealed, and probably means my expectations for this season are a little skewed. I don't want to start that debate back up but responses to the new ep started before I had a chance to mention it.

17:30 / 21.11.05

Anyone think AL has a military background?

17:55 / 21.11.05

I'm gussing she has an ex who was a soldier... probably a US Marine...

01:34 / 22.11.05

I was thinking army brat. Grew up listening to her dad tell her stories about when he was a soldier.

I suppose she could be the soldier herself, but that thing about knowing the different army insignias just seems to me like the kind of thing a kid would have heard and remembered.

00:30 / 23.11.05

Both ideas ake a good deal of sense. I think another full time military type might be a little redundant.

Maybe she's a cop with a military family.

Keith, like a scientist

00:38 / 23.11.05

there was something very...gangsterish...about her statement in the preview regarding Saayid: "i killed the woman he loves...he'll never rest until i'm dead." and she had him tied up (just like they tied Sawyer up last season).

but then there is the Army knife knowledge.... gun-runner?

From her appearance last season and her general mysterious nature, i've gotten the impression of her having some sort of criminal past...

00:51 / 23.11.05

Oooh, a criminal past would be good. They have to explain her military knowledge, however, and I'm still left wondering why the writers would want me to think she has any military knowledge whatsoever. These things aren't accidental.

02:12 / 23.11.05

But Kate already has a criminal past... what about cop?

02:20 / 23.11.05

Yes, stupid me. Makes cop even more better.

02:21 / 23.11.05

Criminal also equals Sawyer

P. Horus Rhacoid

10:22 / 23.11.05

On almost no evidence whatsoever, I'm thinking military husband stationed in Iraq. I'm not sure if the producers would want to ground it so thoroughly in current events, though.

10:40 / 23.11.05

And here I was sure that Ana-Lucia's backstory was that she was the star of the Lost universe's version of SuperNanny.

11:59 / 23.11.05

I didn't necessarily thing Ana had any 'Army knowledge' that knife has US Army printed on it, bit of a giveaway there. And it was old-looking, which explains the age. She could simply be observant

Keith, like a scientist

12:31 / 23.11.05

There was something in the way she talked about "how you don't see those anymore" that spoke of intimate knowledge with military weapons. Could simply be a military father who talked about his knife all the time. I'm going with my gunrunner theory, with virtually no evidence to back it up.

Keith, like a scientist

15:47 / 23.11.05

COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A SPOILER

BUT JUST ABOUT WHOSE BACKSTORY IS TONIGHT

Yeah?

I didn't realize, but we are likely to find out some answers about Ana-Lucia tonight as it is her backstory we will be seeing.

18:37 / 23.11.05

I didn't necessarily thing Ana had any 'Army knowledge' that knife has US Army printed on it, bit of a giveaway there. And it was old-looking, which explains the age. She could simply be observant

She recognized the insignia as one that the Army hasn't used in twenty years.

Keith, like a scientist

20:34 / 23.11.05

An incredibly troubling statement about the numbers is in this potentially **SPOILERS** laden Q&A with Lindelof & Carlton Cuse.

I read through the whole thing and I don't really feel like anything in it is going to ruin my viewing of the show. But they do tell us that some things are going to be revealed this season. It's interesting to see which things. But the Q&A regarding the numbers is very very worrying.

Matthew Fluxington

23:13 / 23.11.05

They didn't say they didn't have a longterm plan involving the numbers, they just said that they never intend on having a specific meaning for that sequence of numbers. Big deal!

Matthew Fluxington

01:04 / 24.11.05

Also, the numbers are such an obvious McGuffin!

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

01:24 / 24.11.05

Totally. I can't believe people are so up in arms about this. (And boy are they.) What were thinking it would be The Monster's measurements? I only hope Lindelof isn't compelled to now make them mean something.

DON'T LISTEN TO TWOP, DAMON. THEY DON'T LOVE YOU.

Keith, like a scientist

01:34 / 24.11.05

I don't care what they mean, but there needs to be some explanation of the coincidence that the numbers on/in the hatch are the same as Hurley's bad luck numbers. It doesn't matter to me if they "mean" anything, but there is some sort of connection there that should be elaborated on, if only to show the sequence of events that lead them to make their way to Hurley. This is the only issue related to the "grand plan" argument that bugs me. But it sounds like they are happy to let that remain a mystery forever. Seems like a giant plot hole.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

07:56 / 24.11.05

It was explained to my satisfaction in Hurley's first flashback episode, when you view it with S2 knowledge. The Aussies hear the numbers (which, since they're on the hatch could easily be contained in a Hanso/Dharma communique), their lives go to shit, Hurley's pal goes batshit, Hurley hears the numbers, ta and da.

Basically what's ruining their lives is the mere act of stumbling upon a Hanso/Dharma transmission, which, I'm betting dollars to donuts, was telegraphed to happen exactly that way.

Can I just say how happy I was with tonight's episode? That was some classic effing Lost. I loved watching everyone's subtle WTF reactions to the hatch and can't wait for Sawyer to get out of Septic Shock and start cracking wise about it. As much as I wasn't truly convinced that the Raftaways were ever in any real danger of not returning to camp, I really felt the difference of their presence in camp when they returned. If that makes any sense.

08:06 / 24.11.05

Keith, I get the impression you're not reading people's posts very thoroughly. You seemed to neglect the fact that I suggested AL was a cop *before you did*, and you also didn't notice that the interview had already been linked to.

I know I sound like a grump, and I'm not trying to get at you, it's just that I like to feel I'm talking to someone that is actually following the conversation.

12:16 / 24.11.05

Thanks for explaining sweeps for me, I should've posted earlier.

I'd go on about how a solid episode could've been very good if Michelle Rodriguez knew how to act but I hate to resurrect the anti-AL sentiments in this thread. I do wish the fakey "suspense" about what was going to happen wasn't in this episode.

Am I the only one who thought after the reunions a lovely final moment of Sayid carrying Shannon's corpse through the forest with some capable and meaningful camerawork would've made for a excellent closing scene? I was half expecting it for some reason but that would've negated how they decided to throw give more significance to reunions to mollycoddle the hypothetical sensitive chunk of the audience. Or perhaps I'm reading too much into it through a negative lens.

I'm thinking of skipping the next episode after the upcoming episode they're taking a week of for a single episode in December. That episode follows another three week break. Can someone explain why this happens? from what I understand it's a common practice in American television.

Keith, like a scientist

22:13 / 24.11.05

Keith, I get the impression you're not reading people's posts very thoroughly. You seemed to neglect the fact that I suggested AL was a cop *before you did*, and you also didn't notice that the interview had already been linked to.

I know I sound like a grump, and I'm not trying to get at you, it's just that I like to feel I'm talking to someone that is actually following the conversation.

I admit I completely missed that that interview had been posted. I totally skimmed most of the posts made during the AL argument.

But, seeing as how I've never suggested that Ana-Lucia was a cop in any of my posts speculating as to her background, I'm finding your impetus for this post to be grumpy indeed.

23:02 / 24.11.05

Am I the only one who thought after the reunions a lovely final moment of Sayid carrying Shannon's corpse through the forest with some capable and meaningful camerawork would've made for a excellent closing scene?

It could have been, but I was pretty darn happy with the way they did do it. Rose and Bernard slowly seeing each other got me a little teary, then Jin and Sun running to each other too. (Please tell me they've found a hacksaw inside the hatch to get his cuff off.)

Sayid once again strikes me as just the coolest fucker on the planet. Beaten and tied up, the woman he loves killed, treated with hostility, he can still manage to remain calm and try to understand his captors and make peace.

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