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Keith, like a scientist

15:07 / 11.11.05

Sleaze: I thought this episode got held back a couple of weeks to fit into the sweeps and was thus designed to as a jumping on point... or aren't such things not so finely planned? Why exactly did ABC start running the season if they knew they were going to have to shove in re-runs to get a particular episode to air when they wanted it?

No one really understands US networks. Their scheduling all means something, but it's totally incomprehensible for the most part.

17:41 / 11.11.05

I think it has to do with new/repeats interspersed throughout the season...rather than showing all the new ones, then a full season's worth of repeats until a premiere. This keeps viewers all year round, rather than half the year. Thus, advertising is more valuable all year round.

It's not hard to understand U.S. TV, once you realize that the advertisements are intended as the feature presentation and the shows are mere filler. Despite what the TV Guide implies.

Personally, I'd love to see Hurley get killed off. He's my least favorite regular by far.

DUDE!! I'd hate to see that happen.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

18:26 / 11.11.05

Me neither. Hurley is fantasgreat.

"Whoever named this place Dark Territories? Genius."

19:40 / 11.11.05

A cheap death where an undeveloped character is supposed to be missed just because of a shoddy backstory where emotion is contrived. Sorry, stupid rich girl's dad dies and she's instantly lovable and we're supposed to miss her? That works for America's idiot audience but not for me. It was a bit obvious too when the episode started where they were going with this.

When I heard it was a chick was going to die I was thinking it was going to be Kate for some reason. Mainly because they said it was a major character. But that was before the episode. It was in the cards when Ana Lucia pulled the gun and started waving it around. The writing was in the wall when she ignored Walt's ssshes.

The only good thing about the episode was Sayid's reaction and how the actual death scene was executed with the whispers.

I think Ana Lucia is not just unlikeable because of the character but more so because her acting is atrocious. Appallingly bad when she tries to explain the horror of how many of them were taken away.

I agree with you Flux, kill off Hurley. He really is nothign but comedy relief (which doesnt work on me). I think Jack and Kate are others I'd like to see offed because Jack is really making things easy for the writers and Kate because she's another easy character to write. Also the actors have yet to impress me.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

20:20 / 11.11.05

America's idiot audience

Hey, up yours, compadre. I watched Arrested Development and I am American.

20:31 / 11.11.05

Same here. That was probably one of the more obnoxious posts I've read on here, Krug. Keep in mind, not all American audience members are mindless drones. You yourself must be one of us, as since you watched this most recent episode, I guess you also are here in the US.

As for the poor acting skills from the actress portraying Anna Lucia, I'll agree to that. I think I even posted on a previous page that she's one of the worst around, and the producers brought her on board for no other reason than to make the cast more multi-ethnic. Her main downfall is that she gives the exact same performance and facial expressions in every role she plays...always the tough latina cookie with an axe to grind.

Anyone who thinks Jack, Kate, or Sawyer are going to die are fooling themselves. They are the lynchpins of the show, and producers know 90% of the women watching (and women make up a large portion of Lost's viewing audience) watch ONLY for the love triangle featuring those three, and also because Sawyer is so loved by the ladies.

I think the only characters who are assured a safe fate are those who have things waiting for them back in the "real world:" Sayid must find his old galpal in LA, Locke needs to get revenge on his father and mother (if he hasn't already...I have a feeling a future Locke backstory will deal with this, and his revenge will somehow tie in with his paralysis), Hurley has his empire to run, Sun & Jin have a new life to begin, Michael & Walt do as well, Kate needs to gain vindication for whatever crime she's supposedly committed, and Sawyer has his namesake to gain vengeance upon. Jack will likely live if for no other reason than he's the "main character," as far as the producers are concerned. Claire's as pointless as Boone & Shannon, but I doubt they'll kill off a recent mother. And Charlie will probably live because they already killed him once, back in Season 1 -- again, Abrams refusing to let a character stay dead.

Keith, like a scientist

20:49 / 11.11.05

Yeah, please refrain from generalizing about America's audiences, please. We are doing something right, I imagine. I mean, you're apparently watching the show, right?

01:47 / 12.11.05

I fairly enjoyed this episode. Definately feels like the season is beginning to move on from initial setup.

By the way, what's the deal with all the subliminal white flashes? Has anyone else noticed them? At first I thought it was a glitch while watching with Quicktime, but now I'm fairly sure its not. They've been happening since the first season. Just randomly, once every few episodes as far as I can tell.

Bit gutted. I managed to go the three weeks without finding out who died, popped into this thread just to check that it was this week it started up again and boom. Spoilered.

Ah well.

07:48 / 12.11.05

I think it has to do with new/repeats interspersed throughout the season...rather than showing all the new ones, then a full season's worth of repeats until a premiere. This keeps viewers all year round, rather than half the year. Thus, advertising is more valuable all year round.

So does this actually work then, with people coming back week on week to watch mainly repeats, with just under half a year's worth of original programming (interspersed with repeats) played out in the same time slot over the course of a year?

Keith, like a scientist

14:27 / 12.11.05

I think it works enough. People get into routines at night, and will watch a repeat if they have nothing else more pressing going on. I don't personally watch Lost repeats, but I will generally watch West Wing in repeats for some reason.

But the summers are when the networks put on different shows in their time slots to greater or lesser effectiveness, so it's usually not the all year long engagements.

17:38 / 12.11.05

BTW, it's Ana-Lucia, not Anna Lucia.

Ana to Mr. Eko, "I liked you better when you didn't talk". Parallels to Sun/Jin?

And what did we learn about They? Well, they's real good at snatchin' folk. Which is kind of what we guessed.

Did anyone notice Charlie's actor losing his accent? Some American twang deffo creeping in there.

This episode was filler but at least it sets up a bit more Tailaway/Lostaway tension, or Sayid/Tailaway tension and-and-and! Locke gets to find out about Walt! Remember all the scenes with Locke and the 9mm's and Locke and the sniper rifle? They weren't just there to make him look cool, people! RamboLocke!

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

17:55 / 12.11.05

Oh god yes! I'm just waiting for a scene down the line, covert jungle sneaking, Others all around, suddenly.

BRAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAW!

Cut to Locke, tilt pan from boot to smoking gun muzzle. "Somebody order a Pest Exterminator?"

18:03 / 12.11.05

Hells yeah. Locke is going to create his own manifesto.. of asses kicked.

Walt's backwards talk: "Shhh. They're coming, and they're close".

Which asks the question, was he talking about the approaching Tailaways or the Others?

Also, the whispers are confirmed as not just happening to people in isolation, and from Ana's/Eko's reaction looks like it signals the Others/They being very close by. I guess they've followed the Tailaways all the way back to the Lost camp (bringing Hell to Paradise?). Things are going to get quite bad for everyone now.

Matthew Fluxington

18:05 / 12.11.05

My problem with Hurley isn't that he's comedic relief so much as he is lousy comedic relief. Sawyer is way funnier, and more interesting. He's a good Han Solo, and Hurley is a bad R2-D2.

I'm cool with Ana Lucia! Clearly she's been set up to be a pretty key character, and I'm eager to see what happens with her.

18:42 / 12.11.05

Woot. After a lengthy wait, and rethinking my evenings, I've finally got my rental copy of Season One and blown through it this past week. Next on the list: start bugging the iTunes store in Canada to start selling the first six episodes of Season Deux.

Man, I am hooked.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

18:53 / 12.11.05

Sawyer > Hurley.

Always.

"Why am I getting the news from a six year old?"
"I'm ten."
"Whatever."

18:58 / 12.11.05

Hurley:

"Dude, you've got some orange stuff on your back."

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

20:03 / 12.11.05

I think it has to do with new/repeats interspersed throughout the season...rather than showing all the new ones, then a full season's worth of repeats until a premiere. This keeps viewers all year round, rather than half the year. Thus, advertising is more valuable all year round.

It's a bit simpler, actually. They only have so many epsiodes, and new episodes get higher ratings than re-runs. So, they plan out the new episodes to show mostly in November, February and May, when advertising rates are set. So, if 12 out of the 22 - 24 episodes have to run during those months, the other 10 - 12 have to run staggered so that they have three or four new epsiodes in May.

It's been that way for a LONG time...and it's strange, since I aam old enough to remember when they would complete a new season sometime in February or March, and then rerun that season's episodes until September.

20:27 / 12.11.05

I'm part of the audience too and I'm in America so I don't think everyone needs to get all jumpy about that. Most people are idiots and most people in Lost's audience are idiots too, go look at any other message board and see what most posts are like. And television is a business meaning they have to pander to idiots. Go talk to people who watch the show who you don't already think are intelligent you'll run into a lot of simpletons. A lot of people think they actually killed of a major character and want Shannon back.

I don't understand what's so offensive and crushing about the truth. I mean take out hbo and try finding five decent shows on tv. You're telling me america doesn't have an idiot audience that loves the highly rated shows besides Lost?

The death was stupid, meaningless and it was completely contrived. It's manipulation and not very classy manipulation.

I'm not kidding myself or saying Kate, Jack or Hurley will die. I'm just saying it'd be nice if they killed them off and created more challenges for themselves and show they can handle challenges. I'm not expecting it to happen at all.

It would also be nice if they actually showed they could kill someone who was for once a major character not a character made major by their first flashback (the previous one was a Boone flashback story just in case anyone wants to point out). How much have we seen Shannon all season anyway? I think we've seen Rose more this season than Shannon if you dont count this episode where she had to the main character.

I also think the flashbacks are rather pointless and just a distraction now unless we're going to get them about the new characters. I don't care at this point about Jack's tattoos or his "marriage", or anyone as much as I care about "the others" and things like that.

I'm not trying to whine because I'm a fan of the show and it's the only thing I actually turn the tv on for. I'm just saying that it still suffers from having an massive audience where they can't risk anything. And no actual "major" character is going to die.

21:16 / 12.11.05

Indeed. The death itself was completely contrived: Shannon runs off again, Sayid conveniently trips in the wet mud, bang. Made even moreso by the attempt to cram in a season and half's worth of character development and character-audience empathy into 22 minutes. The whole thing just screamed "let's.make.this.MEANINGFUL!".

I have to wonder if I would have been more disturbed if we'd had no flashback, no telegraphing, just Shannon suddenly shot and bleeding out in the jungle. A completely random victim of fate (like her Dad and Boone).

That said, the horror bits - SpookyWalt, the whispers, Cindy getting taken - were very well directed and didn't feel hamfisted. Indeed, I'd prefer if they shifted Lost from "Mystery Angst Adventure" to "Horror in the Jungle" as they're quite good at it now and have a lot of Lostmythos material to work with.

I also think the flashbacks are rather pointless and just a distraction now unless we're going to get them about the new characters.

Agreed. I have a sneaking suspicion that they only know what to do with about 7 of the main characters, and even those are quickly drying up, leaving the characters feeling very two-dimensional. Charlie's becoming a whining, possessive daddy. Locke's character is rapidly spiralling into inconsistency under the guise of being MYSTERIOUS. And I didn't even notice Kate or Jack were missing until my brother pointed it out.

23:14 / 12.11.05

Ladies and Gents.

The answers are probably here...

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=cf2a6c8796f5bd9ebf8432bb38a624d8

23:19 / 12.11.05

/Sayid conveniently trips in the wet mud, bang./

When I saw this or see something like this I think of the most annoying cliche in film and television. The man who knows the name of the real killer, all he needs is half a second and is about to utter it and then bam bam he's dead in the hero's arms.

I just wish he hadn't tripped, he already reacted five seconds too late staring into space.

23:56 / 12.11.05

The worst is McPoliceman's partner... one day to... retirement!

Keith, like a scientist

04:06 / 13.11.05

I'm not sure how anyone could claim that characters like Jack, Kate, and Locke are two-dimensional, based on their flashbacks. They've all got shit about their lives that they are hiding emotionally. When you see them interact and know the real reasons behind their awkward looks and silences, it immediately makes their characters more interesting. People seem to be getting bored of Jack, but he has always been the most interesting to me. All his father issues blanket his interactions.

It really seems like this show is starting to get a backlash and everyone episode now is called filler. I've noticed this on other boards, as well. Is it because we think we know about all these characters? Because we really don't. We've seen glimpses into certain areas, but there are vast plot points in their lives that have not been shown or elaborated on. Locke's paralysis, Jack's wife, what Kate really did.

Also, these last 3 or so "filler" episodes are basically the same as the beginning episodes of last season when the whole world was wetting themselves... it's an interesting evolution of the show's following and perception. they are doing the same thign that they always have. Lots of character episodes that have some hints about the overall plot, punctuated by big plot heavy episodes once in awhile.

Matthew Fluxington

04:34 / 13.11.05

Oh please. If people want filler, they can go back to the first season. This season is way more plot heavy, and that's WHY I LIKE IT. It was hard for me to care before this thing kicked in around the final third of the first season. There's been some dud episodes, for sure - that Hurley-centric episode was awful - but it's been moving pretty quickly.

Also, have some sympathy for the fact that they have to fill up 23 episodes with enough plot to take things forward, but to allow them to keep going through the inevitable third and fourth seasons, and beyond.

07:16 / 13.11.05

I dunno. I didn't get too annoyed with filler episodes during season one mainly because I watched it all together without having to wait a week between episodes or being dumped into re-runs for no discernable reason...

Which I guess is the TV equivilent of reading a comic in trade paperback/graphic novel format and thus avoiding any issues of adplacement and the monthly wait between issues...

09:28 / 13.11.05

And decompression...

Did anyone notice Charlie's actor losing his accent? Some American twang deffo creeping in there.

Trips, Dominic Monaghan lived in Germany until he was twelve, then moved to Manchester (England). He has a mancunian accent both in Lost and IRL.

14:39 / 13.11.05

I know where Manchester is, Boboss. All I'm saying is in a few scenes his voice sounded a little off.

15:01 / 13.11.05

Sorry, I thought you meant that an American accent was creeping through, which I would've thought was pretty unlikely as he isn't, in fact, American. Perhaps he's picked up a bit of an American twang.

15:13 / 13.11.05

All this Ana-Lucia hate is making me uncomfortable. Would a strong, assertive, hard-faced man come in for the same level of flack? I think we can be sure that a gender specific insult ,like "bitch", wouldn't be used to describe his character. Also, isn't she just working hard to protect her people from a rather unpleasant threat (a very important point if you ask me)? And so what if she always plays the same character (I'll have to take Buttergun's word for this), what matters is whether she plays that character well, and whether it fits Lost - which I, for one, think it does.

15:35 / 13.11.05

Glad you've brought this up, Boboss. I'm getting a little disturbed about the level of misogyny thrown around here and on other boards. Sawyer acted cocky, abrasive, over-assertive (and let's not forget his attitude during InhalerGate) through season one and what does he get called? A badass.

Ana-Lucia acts the same way with the fact that she's actually trying to help her people survive and she's called a bitch. Or a cunt. On other boards I've read at least three responses saying people wouldn't mind seeing her raped to death - nice. There's hella inequality going on here.

16:50 / 13.11.05

Cheers, Trips. Nice to know I'm not alone.

Keith, like a scientist

18:32 / 13.11.05

I think it's mostly about her bad acting, though. Every time she does something that is "bitchy" or tries to be a badass, I just laugh, because I don't believe her acting in anyway. Sawyer comes off as an effortless personification of the "asshole," so we don't really notice it. It's his character, you don't see the acting. Same with Shannon, she is a decent enough actress to play her "spoiled bitch" part and make it believable. Ana-Lucia just doesn't seem believable enough, and that seems to be the reason that she gets made fun of.

19:00 / 13.11.05

Anyway, back to my hatred of Ana (though I'll probably always call her "Faux-Tough Latina Bitch"...FTLB for short).

What makes it all the worse is that it's very obvious this woman has been introduced to the show so Sawyer can have a gal-pal

FTLB (Latina wench)

Characters they should kill off: Jack. Hurley. Charlie. Kate. and more than anoyone else Tough Latina Cunt.

19:16 / 13.11.05

Ohhh snap!

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