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11:56 / 14.01.06

Future episodes focusing on Eko could promise more Road Warrior-type shenanigans, with Eko in full murderous warlord mode.

I suspect future episodes are more likely to focus on Eko's struggle to become a genuine priest in the face of some nasty opposition.

Matthew Fluxington

13:08 / 14.01.06

Charlie isn't particularly religious, but he has a background in the church - as he says, he was an altar boy and all that.

13:26 / 14.01.06

Oh yeaaah! Silly me.

14:01 / 14.01.06

In Charlie's first flashback, his brother meets him at a church to try and convince him back into the band.

I'm pretty sure there was a line somewhere in season 1 where he says he used to be religious.

15:57 / 14.01.06

And that's why it's lovely to have a Barbelith

rising and revolving

20:50 / 14.01.06

As for writers not knowing where they're going, I'm still not convinced, and I think we're getting a little trapped in what could well be a false dichotomy: they're flying by the seats of their pants vs they have everything planned. Couldn't the answer be somewhere inbetween?

Just brought myself up to date over the last month, starting from Season 1 and working all the way to last weeks episode.

The DVD special features imply the above is correct - they basically said that when they submitted the plot outline (on the basis of which the show was sold, which is very rare apparently) they had the story outlined over six seasons.

So it seems likely to me that they know stuff like how the numbers work in, what the core of the Dharma plot is, how the Others came to be and why they do what they do, etc. I think there's probably a bunch of character specific stuff that's only covered in very broad strokes and is being filled as they go, though.

So yeah, looks like a bit of both.

I've been reading this thread as I've been going through the episodes - lots of really interesting observations and theories. Looking forward to actually contributing now.

Also fully agreed that the latest episode is one of the highlights so far. Eko staring down the black cloud? Rock and roll.

21:02 / 17.01.06

Great episode and the "ultimate theory" seems more plausible and made me feel that the smoke was "judging" Eko by reading his memories. Found him to be "good" and spared him.

It also spared Locke at first but didn't spare him the seond time (presumably because of his involvement in Boone's death?) in the first season finale.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

05:51 / 18.01.06

Lindelof & Cuse off the latest Lost Podcast on El Monstro v. Tha Ekster:

L: I don't know what I would intuit by the fact that the monster was in some way almost sort of an ethernet connection to his emotions, but was in some way downloading his fears and anxieties and --
C: Analyzing them.
L: And then was somehow able not to attack him, based on the fact that Eko didn't seem particularly afraid of it. Which might explain why Locke was not, you know, savaged by the monster.

Very interesting stuff and sort of casts a bit of a different light on its nature than I had originally figured. I didn't really see it as having any kind of consciousness, just somekind of program that somehow reflected your emotions back at you. But this comment makes it seem more like the monster is some kind of binary construct of judgement. This also ties it much tighter into The Others and the Dharma Initiative as a whole. To be honest, I was starting to think that The Others, The Initiative, and The Monster were, sadly, just a bunch of unconnected antagonists running around the island. This makes it appear that they are all operating under the same agenda: Judgement.

09:25 / 18.01.06

Sorry, was that little snippet of dialogue supposed to be a simulation of what we, the audience, would, or could be, thinking? I mean, surely these guys know what's going on.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

10:04 / 18.01.06

Well, they have a roundaboutly snarky way of talking about stuff but this was basically how L&C see the monster. I believe you can listen at abc.com/lost somewheres.

10:10 / 18.01.06

Are they worth downloading? What do you get out of 'em?

Keith, like a scientist

04:23 / 19.01.06

"Bring her out, Alex."

14:15 / 19.01.06

From Entertainment Weekly's recap of last night's episode:

Is it just me, or was the whole scene with Charlie and Hurley in the bunker like some weird outtake from Everybody Loves Hurley? Lots of yuks — Hurley declares Libby to be cute ''in a 'I've been terrorized by the Others for 40 days' kind of way'' — and a random, we're-contractually-obligated-to-have-him-in-this-ep entrance from wacky neighbor Sayid? Don't get me wrong: I loved it. I think it has promise as a midseason replacement. It just seemed...odd. Like, oh, I dunno, the whole scene was there for the sole purpose of introducing Geronimo Jackson?

Keith, like a scientist

14:29 / 19.01.06

Old Guy Other quoting Alvar Hanso makes me believe even more that the Others are the original Dharma scientists on the island. And their children. And Rousseau's child, Alex.

14:42 / 19.01.06

Considering there was actual conflict and gunplay, that was a really dull episode. I've really had enough of Jack's flashbacks. The Desmond episode was was the only enjoyable Jack flashback since the first one for me. And we've had how many now? Seven? Eight? Surely, there are other people on the island we can tell more interesting stories about...

I suppose A-L is going to be put in charge of the army, which will give her plenty of opportunity to act tough, wave guns, and yell at people, and no doubt die in a blaze of glory (most likely as an immediate punishment by the tv gods for some moment of passion with Jack).

Still, I wonder why they didn't have Jack talk to Sayid first about starting an army. Y'know what with him actually being a soldier and all.

14:57 / 19.01.06

Sayid's in no shape for violence at this point. And he's had less exposure to the tactics of The Others. And Jack doesn't trust Locke at all.

I posted some pics I found of Gabriela, but they were from a foreign site and kinda pervy. They didn't link up right, in any case. Still, I wouldn't mind more Jackflashes if she's a feature

P. Horus Rhacoid

14:58 / 19.01.06

Still, I wonder why they didn't have Jack talk to Sayid first about starting an army. Y'know what with him actually being a soldier and all.

He's pissed at Kate and having flashbacks to his wife leaving him, I figured part of it was him wanting to talk to a woman he's attracted to; at the very least it's the writers continuing to set up a romance between the two. For that matter we don't know that he didn't talk to Sayid first. Presumably AL and Sayid both will be doing the training, which should make for some interesting conflict given that AL, you know, shot Sayid's girlfriend a few days ago and even though they resolved that, sort of, I can't imagine either of them wants to hang around the other more than strictly necessary.

The conversation between Jack and Zeke was pretty interesting for a couple reasons. For one, Zeke never acknowledged whether Ethan was working for him. Second, he was markedly more hostile/less metaphysical than the person AL whacked- no talk of 'saving' 'good people,' just 'stay the fuck out of our way, this is our island.' It's certainly nothing definitive but it makes me think there might in fact be a second group of Others. I got a much different feeling from Zeke than from Ethan and the dead guy too- they seemed a whole lot more... zealous, I guess. Zeke seemed much more normal, for lack of a better word.

Who thinks Libby worked in the psych ward where Hurley was? He said she looked familiar, didn't he? It would fit with the way the show does things.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

16:34 / 19.01.06

I've been waiting for a hatch scene like the one between Hurles and Chucker since they made it down there. This show needs a lot more pointless nattering on about nothing whilst wearing 50 day old clothing.

Next up, The Craphole Island Book Club.

17:45 / 19.01.06

>I've been waiting for a hatch scene like the one between Hurles and Chucker since they made it down there. This show needs a lot more pointless nattering on about nothing whilst wearing 50 day old clothing.<

I agree, just thought that EW write-up was funny. If I had more time, I’d love to re-cut that scene, adding in some canned laughter during the Hurley/Charlie dialog, and then some brief applause when Sayid walks in.

08:16 / 20.01.06

He said she [libby] looked familiar, didn't he?

Did he? I can't remember. Anyone know for sure? It certainly would fit with how Lost does things.

...the whole scene was there for the sole purpose of introducing Geronimo Jackson?

Other than the Libby thing, yeah: It opens with a shot of the record cover, Hurley uttering the words "Geronimo Jackson", and Charlie stating that despite his extensive musical knowledge he's never heard of them. They also don't appear to exist IRL. Seems like something was being flagged here.

So, yeah, another Jack* episode, and Jack not being my favourite character, well, unsurprisingly, it wasn't my favourite. That said I did enjoy it, and having Jack front and centre did make sense, after all he is the leader, and this episode's biggest plot point was the meeting of the tribes.

I think Keith's nailed possibily the most important tit bit of information. We now know, pretty much for a fact, that the Others have something to do with the Hanso Foundation.
Not earth shattering news, sure, but an important piece of the puzzle confirmed.

So then, who was Mrs Shepherd having an affair with? I know who my money's on.

*Greatest flaw = too good

08:21 / 20.01.06

Just a little aside...

Sayid's in no shape for violence at this point.

And Ana-Lucia is?

09:03 / 20.01.06

Shouldn't someone tell AL that Vincent is a bad luck dog? 2 of its previous custodians have had bad things happen to them... Walt has been kidnapped by the hanso institute and the other girl got deaded...

09:26 / 20.01.06

I really wish they'd do a Vincent episode. I've been told that, due to excessive fan clamouring, they decided against the idea. Seems like contariness taken too far, if you ask me.

09:30 / 20.01.06

Strike that, it looks like we could be seeing a Vincent episode after all.

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:36 / 20.01.06

There's a lot of chain-jerking in that link.

"Look to the dog for answers."

Dog is, after all, GOD backwards.

- Sayidrules23

10:08 / 20.01.06

There's a lot of chain-jerking in that link.

Bullshit talking more like. I'm constantly amazed at how some people seem incapable of reining it in.

10:09 / 20.01.06

Petey, are you watching season 2 yet?

08:53 / 22.01.06

So, I wasn't watching this show. Then we were stuck in a hotel room with a DVD player and a lot of time on our hands, so we rented the first season and pretty much watched the whole thing over the course of a few days.

Fuckety fuck fuck. I want to see the beginning of Season Two now, but we're still in the middle of it and I don't want to spoil myself or get confused.

Keith, like a scientist

14:55 / 22.01.06

make friends with Bit Torrent, diz.

16:39 / 22.01.06

oh, duh. good idea.

18:47 / 22.01.06

Or Limewire. I get mine offa Limewire normally.

Oh, and, Diz, it's nice to have you onboard.

Matthew Fluxington

08:43 / 26.01.06

Diz, you do know that you can get the episodes for $2 each on iTunes, right? I recommend that.

So.....where do you think they are going with Libby?

12:14 / 26.01.06

She's Dharma. She has to be.

Look at the way she manipulated Hurley and created that memory in his head. Now whenever there are doubts about her, Hurley will say something like "I remember her on the flight! I stepped on her foot." Classic psy-ops, I've done it to people myself. Plus there is the whole psychologist thing.

12:41 / 26.01.06

Possibly. Or she could have been flirting.

12:48 / 26.01.06

also:

is significant.

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