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00:11 / 17.11.05

you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the artform of serialized commercial television

Yeah, I guess I just forgot that having characters arbitrarily refuse to communicate with each other was such a hallmark of serial storytelling.

Matthew Fluxington

01:08 / 17.11.05

Well, do you have any more sympathy for Anna Lucia now?

I mean, obvs, she's not any more likeable. But still.

The scene with Goodwin - wow! I need to watch that again tomorrow.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

01:12 / 17.11.05

So totally effing radicool. Although that four extended minutes? Not 100% necessary. Other than that, best opening sequence since the Series Premiere.

P. Horus Rhacoid

01:15 / 17.11.05

God damn, I wish I was watching this now. Have to wait for it to go online, grrr...

01:37 / 17.11.05

Yeah, that was definitely better.

I like that they know that the nine people who were picked off weren't just random choices. That makes for some good suspense and head-scratching.

And I'm even more curious about Eko. Was that 40 days of silence just a personal pennance thing? Or is that from a specific religious tradition? Like Jesus's 40 days in teh desert? Or did he just not feel like speaking until he had something to say?

It was nice to hear one of the bad guys actually talk even a bit about what's going on.

Keith, like a scientist

01:39 / 17.11.05

I gotta say I was a little more sympathetic to her performance after seeing this episode, but... eh, I still don't like her. Still not great to me, but she softened in places, and let an emotion other than "angry" pop out.

(paraphrasing) "they weren't take because they aren't good people," "nathan wasn't a good person" and "they are better off now."

interesting...the Others have a purpose to who they take. And it it is out of some kind of goodwill towards the people.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

01:53 / 17.11.05

And they've got a list, dude! Crazy shit.

Keith, like a scientist

02:02 / 17.11.05

it's also interesting that they actually haven't taken anyone from the front end. i mean, they wanted Claire, but wasn't it established that Rousseau actually took Claire?

does this mean they view Claire as "a good person" or was it about her baby being an innocent, like the kids?

09:15 / 17.11.05

Mild spoilers in link.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello/default.htm?rmDate=11162005

Clearly they are making this shit up as they go along.

It looks as though even they dont know what the numbers mean and dont expect any answers because there won't be any.

09:33 / 17.11.05

Was Nathan really on the plane after all? Or was he one of the Others, double-crossed by Goodwin? Nathan had a similar backstory to Ethan from last season (the Other spy who kidnapped Claire).

Great episode. I love these "from a different perspective" stories. Next week will be fun. Jack looked about ready to piss himself at the sight of Eko in the preview.

Matthew Fluxington

11:14 / 17.11.05

I think they are leaving a lot of the story open-ended because they will probably have to do this show for several more seasons and need to be practical about things, but I definitely think that this season and probably the one after it are pretty well plotted out, and they aren't making it up from one episode to the next.

Matthew Fluxington

11:20 / 17.11.05

One thing that kinda got me was that in the previous episode Ana Lucia was going on about how advanced the "others" were, that they would be very very difficult to defeat, etc. Was she hysterical (not much of a stretch), desperate to freak Michael out, or did we miss something? They are obviously a threat, but Eko and Ana Lucia managed to kill them when they had the chance.

12:15 / 17.11.05

That's true. We also didn't see any signs that the people who were taken had turned against the other castaways, although, judging from the way Eko hid when he saw them coming, he knew they were too dangerous to face or even risk following.

Regrettable Juvenilia

12:53 / 17.11.05

Is it because she's a woman? Is this some form of chivalry where you feel like you have to rush to the defense of a damsel in distress? Is it personal?

Yes, that's right gridley. Comments such as the ones Tripleys quoted here, or indeed ones on other boards, such as this, are just perfectly rational and balanced critiques of the show, not misogynistic at all, and anyone who says otherwise is just being excessively chivalrous.

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:06 / 17.11.05

And y'know, I just watched an episode in which Sawyer attacks, ties up and basically encourages the lynching of Jin for little more reason than that Sawyer is a racist thug. And yeah, he's also a lot more complicated than that, and kinda charming when you get to know him. But still - bit of a double standard going on here.

Matthew Fluxington

13:09 / 17.11.05

I'm pretty sure that Nathan was on the plane, and the group was being paranoid. When Anna Lucia has her confrontation with Goodwin, he more or less gives this away - if she went through with torturing him, it would eventually become clear that she had the wrong man, and she'd start to suspect other people, most obviously himself. He killed Nathan to create an ambiguous situation and to keep the rest from finding out that he was the one to free him. Also, Nathan "wasn't a good person" and thus was not on the list, major plot point.

Matthew Fluxington

13:11 / 17.11.05

Flyboy is correct - it's really weird that so many people are willing to be okay with a selfish racist jackass like Sawyer, but are very harsh on a woman who is doing everything she possibly can to keep her group alive and rescue some children.

13:13 / 17.11.05

The early Stones were misogynistic. To claim the anti-AL sentiments on this board is misogynistic is tree-hugging of the vilest sort, because, well, she's not a real person. If I said the actress is a stupid bitch who deserves to die, then that would be misogynistic. But I don't say that, and I don't think most others are, either. We are however saying she isn't the greatest actress. It's the character we despise. Get this, man -- these people aren't real!!

But A-L did get the best lines last night -- no surprise, though, as the writers copped out by having Eko go into his 40 days of silence routine. Religious reasons, they'll claim, but it was obviously so the spotlight could shine on A-L, to make her character a bit more likeable...and also because, in just about any "real world" situation, Eko would be the leader people flocked to, not A-L.

I'm wondering if Eko is tied into the Nigerian priests who crash-landed on the island once upon a time. Notice how he took that Bible from the storage chest and studied it, particularly the inscription page.

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:21 / 17.11.05

What do trees have to do with anything? But you're quite right, of course you're right, people's attitudes towards fictional characters can never be indicative of any kind of underlying attitude, you're right, we should never analyse people's reactions politically, vile tree-hugging, well done, you're right, you're building a better Barbelith.

Keith, like a scientist

13:24 / 17.11.05

this thread used to be a lot more fun.

13:25 / 17.11.05

Flyboy, before you accuse me of misogyny you might want to pay attention to the fact that I didn't write either of those posts.

It's kinda relevant when you're... y'know... making accusations...

13:29 / 17.11.05

Flyboy is correct - it's really weird that so many people are willing to be okay with a selfish racist jackass like Sawyer, but are very harsh on a woman who is doing everything she possibly can to keep her group alive and rescue some children.

When it comes to my fictional characters, I'll take a charming sinner over an annoying saint any day.

Matthew Fluxington

13:30 / 17.11.05

Eko's refusal to speak deepened his mystery, and put on a spotlight on his actions, which were all stoic and heroic. It's totally bonkers to suggest that him not having many lines was equivalent to him not having much of a role in the episode, especially since his muteness was a major plot point in the episode!

Also, you may have noticed that Eko was actively DEFERRING to Anna Lucia. As a result, other people deferred to her as well. He did not want to be a leader of any kind. This is another important character trait for the guy - he's very humble.

13:34 / 17.11.05

Also, you may have noticed that Eko was actively DEFERRING to Anna Lucia. As a result, other people deferred to her as well. He did not want to be a leader of any kind. This is another important character trait for the guy - he's very humble.

That's mostly true, but he did feed Nathan against her wishes, and wasn't afraid to tell her so. I dug that about him, because I didn't think anyone was going to willingly admit to it.

13:51 / 17.11.05

Shaftoe (take it you're a Stephenson fan?), I know you're trying to be snide and cynical, but it's not working.

But you know you're right, I'm misogynistic. I hate women. When my parents got divorced when I was 9 and my mom raised me by herself, all I could think was, "Damn women suck."

Then when my wife, who I'll do most anything for, was nearly paralyzed in a horrible car crash this past summer, and I spent night and day with her in the hospital, nursing her to a full recovery, all I thought through those long nights was, "Women are so inferior and pathetic."

Seriously. You're starting to try my patience.

13:55 / 17.11.05

>It's totally bonkers to suggest that him not having many lines was equivalent to him not having much of a role in the episode, especially since his muteness was a major plot point in the episode!<

If you're writing this to me, then you've read something into my post, because I wasn't suggesting that in the least. I'm just saying Eko's silence was an easy way for the writers to make A-L the focal character, and show her slide from a mostly normal person (as seen in the season finale) to the nerve-grating character we now love to hate (or defend, whichever you prefer).

Matthew Fluxington

13:58 / 17.11.05

Yeah, but that assumes that Eko WASN'T a focus of the episode when he clearly was.

14:53 / 17.11.05

I hope they do a Libby-centric episode once the two tribes settle down a bit. She cracked me up when she was setting that guy's broken leg.

Matthew Fluxington

15:31 / 17.11.05

Yeah, Libby's alright. And very cute!

tea and biscuits

18:19 / 17.11.05

I don't dislike Ana because I have an inexplicable hatred for strong women, I dislike(d) her because she was wooden and her brusqueness seemed an easy shortcut to mystery.

I certainly have no problem with the writers stringing things along, but whilst it has previously been annoying, it's never felt so calculated to titillate as with the tailies.

19:25 / 17.11.05

I dislike(d) her because she was wooden and her brusqueness seemed an easy shortcut to mystery.

Fair doos. I didn't warm to her that much or end up shouting "you go girl!!1!" whenever she hit Sawyer. That's just being an arse.

What I (and some others) had a problem with was the language used to refer to Ana-Lucia and the overwhelming level of Teh Hate towards her in general, and how the two were/are pretty much interlinked.

And no, I'm not chivalrous... I can barely understand Le Morte D'Arthur.

Keith, like a scientist

20:49 / 17.11.05

new press release on Hanso site for Life-Extension Project

21:04 / 17.11.05

A current rumor is that Libby is a Dharma (or Other) plant. The guy who writes the weekly reviews for EW.com has suspected her from the start. I think it's her psychology background that makes her suspicious, tying her in with the Dharma collective. She was the last to see the missing stewardess (can't recall her name) in the episode before last (right before they heard the voices in the jungle), and also, as the EW reviewer pointed out, in the last shot we saw of the stewardess as they all climbed the hill, she had a pack strapped to her back. Once they got to the top of the hill, Libby was suddenly wearing the pack. You could say it's faulty editing, but this is also when Libby announced that the stewardess was missing. Also, Libby's actions last night were suspicious -- quick to side with Ana-L that Nathan was an outsider, etc. But since this is Lost, all of this is no doubt cloud talk.

On another topic, I wonder of course what the Others mean by people being good and bad. I take it "good" means their souls are clean and so don't need to go through the purifying trials and tribulations of the island, like the "bad" characters (aka our heroes with their tortured pasts) do? Again, who knows.

23:11 / 17.11.05

Even after a humanising explantory episode I still think AL is the worst actress in the show though I can't be bothered to go on about that subject anymore or hate for. But I've been told I can't sustain any negativity for a prolonged period of time even for fictional characters.

Mister Eko is the new Locke, and too fucking cool. I have ntohing else to say about him other than he's the best thing to happen to the show.

I agree you with gridley his silence was an easy way to show more of AL.

I think this episode almost squashes the theories of him being a time travelling Walt (not a good idea). There was a lot of talk on message boards about Shannon was stabbed by an "other" which has been disproven by this episode.

Also there's another gap coming between episodes are the next couple. I don't really get why we cant have a show that doesnt have these breaks.

And a stupid question I've been wanting to ask but what does "sweeps" refer to in television.

23:12 / 17.11.05

Sorry Buttergun I thought gridley made that statement.

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