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16:05 / 30.08.05

Much as I won't be buying it, I think it'll sell really well for a couple of issues and maybe Loeb will set up an interesting-sounding overarching plot which he'll latterly fail to resolve in a manner that's any way satisfying.

Cue gaseous outrage. The End.

16:24 / 30.08.05

Loeb has been doing more over-the-top goofy superhero stuff - I can't see him doing gritty Ultimates.

19:04 / 30.08.05

Tough shit, baby.

19:31 / 30.08.05

Prepare for the Ultimates to look like Street Fighter CapCom characters. That is all.

19:55 / 30.08.05

Is Jeph Loeb the guy who had Superman talking to a priest on and off for a year while occasionally fighting a refugee steroid abuser from Image?

20:06 / 30.08.05

No.

Keith, like a scientist

20:22 / 30.08.05

so what is Hitch going off to do, anyway? does he have something big lined up?

madueirariaara... what a surefire way to tank the book after 4 missed deadlines. at least Hitch is semi-regular.

Jake, Colossus of Clout

22:02 / 30.08.05

Triplets: That was the Azzarello/ Jim Lee run. Bad, bad stuff.

Loeb/Madureira? The only good stuff Loeb has done was with Tim Sale carrying him. And Madueira is the drizzling shits. I hope Millar and Hitch wrap up well, so i can ignore whatever comes next.

22:17 / 30.08.05

I won't be buying it.

Even the Tim Sale stuff is only good for Sale's art, Loeb can't write for shit.

rabideyemovement

02:39 / 31.08.05

I'll give the first issue a chance. But I will be very sore at Marvel over this, if it's remotely as goofy and vague as the other works by Loeb. Maduriera? Jeez... This is one of my favorite books. I will actually feel sadness if they screw this up.

Are we sure this isn't another Wizard/Marvel prank on their hypercritical fanboys?

12:41 / 31.08.05

>> madueirariaara... what a surefire way to tank the book after 4 missed deadlines. at least Hitch is semi-regular.

Some fan joked 'it wouldn't be Ultimates if it wasn't horribly late.'

Also, I don't think this is a prank -- Marvel sees big $$$ with Loeb & Mad. on board. Sadly, they probably will make it from fans who don't know any better and just know that they're both 'hot, kewl' creators.

12:43 / 31.08.05

I think it'll feel like that fucking boring ass annual, only monthly.

rabideyemovement

22:50 / 31.08.05

Maybe they'll fake us out, put Loeb and Mad on Ultimate Spidey (where they'd make alot more sense) and let Bendis have a go at Ultimates. I doubt he wants to write Spidey forever, and recently it's been just the right pace of dialogue and action for him to write.

rabideyemovement

12:36 / 03.09.05

Uh, no. I was wrong. This month's Wizard does indeed have a long article on Loeb and Maduriera's Ultimate run. Anyone seen these character sketches? There goes, the Ultimates' artistic realism out the window.
Sorry Marvel, it might be a halfway decent book, but I just don't buy Manga.

13:11 / 03.09.05

Got any scans? Or know of any online?

14:55 / 03.09.05

Sorry Marvel, it might be a halfway decent book, but I just don't buy Manga.

The cry of many a 24 yr. old + American comicbook fan, it seems. I can empathise to a degree; part of me just wants some Fuckin' Marvel Comics (def: n. just a good, quality comic with the tangible qualities found in Miller's DD, Brubaker's Cap, Morrison's Marvel Boy, Ultimates - as is -of course...) from Marvel Comics.

I don't mind Madureira, really. He's quite flash, and no-one called it manga the first time around.

16:15 / 03.09.05

And as far as - whatever the population is of Japan that I'm too lazy to look up - you are buying manga... every... time... you... buy... a... comic. Cue: X number of people can't be wrong.
Course, I jumped ship on this title almost wholesale, sometime ago, so whatever comes next can be absolutely miserable and I have no mid-story attachment to impact me.
Actually, I'm pretty done with the whole Ultimate Universe at this point - unless something really grabs me down the line, like an Ultimate Skrull Kill Krew or something. Ultimate Devil Dinosaur by Morrison/Quitely. Ultimate Ultimate by Priest and the resurrected illustrating-arm of William Blake.

20:17 / 06.09.05

Betty Ross is totally the traitor. First off, her verbal mannerisms are such that she could totally say things like "Oh, Hank..." and refer to a person as "Soldier".

Second off, she has the motivation: everything she mentioned to Pym, of course, and also what happened to Bruce.

Thirdly, she TOTALLY has the type of personality that would be able to justify things like treachery and killing kids to get what she wants. She's even described as a total type A personality.

21:30 / 20.09.05

Best theory I've heard yet, I gotta say.

Recently revealed at a Marvel news conference...kinda made me go 'huh...?'

>> The backup story appearing in the Ultimate titles in November and December was revealed as well – “Ultimate Vision” written by Mark Millar with art by John Romita Jr.

07:28 / 22.09.05

SPOILERS!

Guys.

Now wasn't this one tragic motherfucker?

An unnecessarily tragic and manipulative developement. It's not Steve. Obviously Loki. It ties into everything. You know now they can kill two plots with one character. Thor and Cap.

He ain't dead obviously.

12:08 / 22.09.05

Yeah, it was Millar week this week, akshly. 4 books. Either his pacing's a dream, or they're all slightly insubstantial. Or both.

But, o/t, there's no way Cap knows what he's supposed to have done. Last arc, ya figure, it got's to be Loki.

12:39 / 22.09.05

Loki said there was a traitor on the team in addition to his own mischief.

And Hawkeye not having a body round tells me he is 100% not dead.

rabideyemovement

14:31 / 22.09.05

Of course Loki is setting everything up. Loki started the original incarnation of the Avengers, he'll start this one. But who's the person in the Captain America suit caught on tape that they didn't show us? Hank Pym in Valkyrie's fetish costume?
I don't want to wait much longer for the conclusion, but part of me wants these last Millar issues to stretch as long as possible. How many more Millar/Hitch issues do we have coming before Marvel Manga sets up camp?

17:23 / 22.09.05

Could Ultimate Red Skull be about to show up, as a modern-day response to the Captain America 'threat' instead of a also-preserved contemporary?

Maybe they got a Steve Rogers look-alike or went with the honest-to-god clone?

Cuz, personally, I've got to believe it'd take more than just someone in the Cap outfit to fool Nick Fury into thinking that Cap was a traitor. I mean, he's the head of SHIELD, it's like being tricked by a fake moustache. And don't they have constant satellite tracking on Ultimates members? Isn't that how Cap could track Pym to kick his wife-beating ass?

I understand this is the Millarverse, where all things move at the speed of plot, so all those totally valid points might be non-existent in the actual comic, but I do know this: that Cap isn't the traitor is the most painfully obvious thing in the world.

So waddya think? Ultimate Red Skull, with Hawkeye as the traitor? Maybe Loki shifted to look like Cap and staged the Hawkeye murder because Hawkeye was the traitor? Why is there no BODY? How long do we have to wait until Ultimates 2 #9?

Keith, like a scientist

18:33 / 22.09.05

well, Loki can obviously change shape. He has done so "on-camera" in this series two or three times, I believe.

19:38 / 22.09.05

Well, he's changed into a snake.

I wonder if Loki is actually an Ultimate Skrull. In Ultimates 1 the Skrull General keeps making reference to bodies providing a better way to navigate around 3D space. They can also (with the aid of Skrull super-tech) shift between here and elsewhere in the lower dimensions.

Thor makes constant reference not to "traversing the Rainbow Bridge!" but to sci-fi stuff like Three-dimensional space and carries around a super-sciency Four-Dimensional engine. My overall point being that they use the same kinds of terms for the same sort of stuff, both groups have access to super-technology and Loki seems to be able to shapeshift.

Might tie back into when Thor 616 used to be an alien?

21:03 / 22.09.05

ULTIMATE BETA-RAY BILL!

Right?

Right?

*hangs head in shame*

23:25 / 22.09.05

Yeah, the Red Skull theory seems to be doing a round. Because everyone who knows anything knows that Schmidt ran around in a clone of Cap's body in the '616' as they call it, until he was

SPOILER

brutally (though there's not a supervillain more deserving) shot dead by the Winter Soldier.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:35 / 23.09.05

Are you on that Winter Soldier shit Falconer? It's good shit. Why you wan Bucky done gun?

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

11:58 / 23.09.05

I still think he may not actually be Bucky.

And to stay on topic... wow... it's pretty impressive how Millar made Cap's takedown just as tragic as Thor's while Cap has been playing the asshole for most of this season. I think Ultimates 2, while occasionally falling to Millar's over the top-ness is Millar's best work to date.

Although the WWII Wolvie story (with a nudge from Will Eisner) this week wasn't something I'd expect from him either.

Matthew Fluxington

17:24 / 25.09.05

For real. You wait around for twenty issues desperately hoping to see Captain America get his ass handed to him, and Millar ends up making you feel bad for the poor fuckhead.

And yeah, it's definitely Loki's scheme. It will all wrap up nicely in the end.

17:31 / 25.09.05

Loki sighting.

It may not be him, but I'm locked in pattern recognition. In the Barton residence, behind Fury in two or three panels is a guy in an orange jumpsuit with dark mid-length hair. So far, that fits the criteria for Loki related shenanigans. Only thing missing is a green overcoat, but everyboy was in jumpsuits in that scene.

Whad'dy'all think?

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

19:38 / 25.09.05

I think there are so many possible "loki sightings" in this ish that Millar has twigged onto that fan theory and littered the book with possible shots of the lokster.

18:29 / 09.10.05

I thought this issue was one of Millar's strongest in a long time. Nice quiet moments that didn't smack of overt Millarisms - esp. the moment where Ult. Cap says to Bucky that he doesn't really have any other friends, in tears. The takedown of Cap was appropriately tragic. Got me looking forward to more and it felt like a fresh start for the series in some ways.

15:13 / 06.12.05

Preview for Issue 9

Who benefits from bringing down the Ultimates?

1. Alfred?
2. Foreign Powers?
3. the second stringers, introduced to us in the (shit) Annual?
4. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver?

What is going on?

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