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The Ultimates 2

 
  

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The Falcon
10:25 / 04.03.06
Aye, it was Black Widow, I'm sure. It's yet to be explained quite how everyone thought Cap was guilty of murdering Hawkeye's family. Fury had some secret camera hook-up which appeared to indicate his guilt - I dunno if Abdul al-Rahman was in his kit wearing foundation or what.

I know what you mean about not wanting to wait, Boboss; it's partly because of how good this arc is that I'd really like to see more of it, hopefully concluded (think there's only two issues left) in about four months at most.

I officially love this comic though, really I do now; I think Millar's heeded these Liberality for All and Civilian Justice newspieces and just decided to run roughshod right over them. It really does read like a comic written by a semi-genius nutjob believer in the current admin, which is absolutely fascinating.

My special hope (likely to be unrealised) is the guy co-ordinating the Liberators is like Baurillard or Foucault or something. Some toity French philosopher; I dunno what any of them look like.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:33 / 04.03.06
 
 
The Falcon
11:08 / 04.03.06
W00t, post 666, Denfeld.

Wasn't working though, but I cut & pasted.
 
 
The Falcon
11:11 / 04.03.06


Foucault; no hair. Not him. Also, is he dead?



Baudrillard; could be if he lost a wee bit of weight, grew the hair.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:24 / 04.03.06
yeah, but talking about Cap, we'll never forget "this A doesn't stand for France"... or something. an opposite to that was beautifully executed by Brubaker/Lark in the usual Cap comic some months ago, with him recalling fighting for Paris side by side the French troops.
Yeah but 616 Cap is a great guy, and Ultimate Cap is kind of a guy who thinks he's doing the right thing, but a lot of times is kind of a dick. Kinda like superpowered Jesse Custer.

The Liberator is probably the new Red Skull. His helmet kinda looks like a red skull, and he's being made to be the anti-cap and instead of a 1940s nazi, he's a modern day terrorist (are they terrorists, or are they acting on behalf of their respective governments?). If his face gets ripped off from the nose down and he keeps the helmet, he'll look like Red Skull.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:40 / 04.03.06
Picture of Red Skull looking helmet, and confirmation that the Liberators are acting on the orders of their respective governments.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:50 / 04.03.06
It also implies that if Hank is a mole he wouldn't have had time to warn anyone about the attack.
 
 
Triplets
01:47 / 05.03.06
Not liking that they label themselves "super-terrorists". You'd think they'd refer to themselves as another group super-soldiers, working for a different coalition. Slightly too close to the "we're the Brotherhood of EVIL Mutants! Pass the baby wine, Hitler!"
 
 
A
03:28 / 05.03.06
Final page of Ultimates v2 #10- Splash page of Captain America grimacing directly ahead, saying "Get the hell away from my girlfriend."

Final page of Ultimate Fantastic Four #11 (written by Warren Ellis)- Splash page of Reed Richards grimacing directly ahead, saying "You get the hell away from my girlfriend."

Cosmic.
 
 
Krug
07:11 / 05.03.06
Am I the only one who doesnt want the Ultimates to win?

I mean specially after the "enemy" conveniently cares about innocents and civilian casualties?

Is it so bad to want to see a metaphor for america's foreign policy be squashed?

The only thing is I love Thor way too much to see the Ultimates lose.

Who says schizophrenics cant process metaphor ; ) ?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:56 / 05.03.06
Am I the only one who doesnt want the Ultimates to win?
Well, that would kind of fuck things up for the next writer and the other Ultimate titles. I would say it'd be a bold move if they decided to change all the Ultimate titles to reflect a Liberator win.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:39 / 05.03.06
dunno how this'll pan out but I want to see fight between brainy hulk and orginal thick hulk.

so obvious that brains will get in the way of primal strength and that NO.IQ is to Hulk's advantage.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
20:13 / 05.03.06
you're not alone, W.

Thor - fully powered sans belt - will probably be a key figure to the Ultimate's final victory, though.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:12 / 05.03.06
Just reading #8 over again, the "Cap is a Naughty Traitor Man" issue. Some solid character work with respect to Jan and Steve, and it makes me feel a bit better about Millar's female characters -- I've never really been able to put my finger on why I don't like Jan as much as, say, Betty Ross - I wonder where her tendency to provoke people comes from. Betty presents a cold face to the world but is actually quite conflicted between what she wants, what she needs, what looks good for her job.

Jan works well in this issue. Will she forgive Hank for betraying them, like she seems to always do?

Steve's cracking up from the strain of being released from suspended animation. His seen with Bucky gives him a bit more dimension, but of course it's the Joss Whedon trick of making us feel something for the characters right before something bad happens.

So, what do we think? Is Cap saying "Let go of my girlfriend" to suggest they'll reconcile, possibly with him being able to deal with her wanting to pursue friendship with Hank despite Hank being from Steve's perspective a violent monster (while Steve studiously avoids looking in the mirror), or is it just putting off the inevitable full collapse?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
00:01 / 06.03.06
Am I the only one who doesnt want the Ultimates to win?
This kind of happened in Ellis' 1st Authority run didn't it? Or was it the final Stormwatch arc? Where the High and his crew who were trying to save the world were defeated by the government watchdog Authority of the time.
 
 
This Sunday
00:12 / 06.03.06
That was 'Stormwatch' where the Changers (who I don't think were ever called any such thing in the book) were thoroughly decimated by the big government boys and their acid missiles. It got us moving very sharply towards 'The Authority' because while many of the Changers were in the wrong, were more or less ignoring each other and each other's goals, the general thrust of what certain members were trying to do was to our sympathies.
(Why do I feel the warrior magician Wonder-Woman trope gal would've been a better Doctor than the Changer's actual Doctor?)
And Millar is very good at sublimating himself to the material, even if he doesn't do it often. Look how pure, clean, un-cynical, et cetera his Super-Man stuff was. The mad banging on with a rightwing thrust here in 'The Ultimates' isn't a sign of anything, any more than 'The Unfunnies' or 'Saviour' was. By the by, did either of those actually finish?
 
 
Triplets
00:13 / 06.03.06
The Au always won under Ellis, apart from Sparksy.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
00:39 / 06.03.06
'The Ultimates' isn't a sign of anything, any more than 'The Unfunnies' or 'Saviour' was. By the by, did either of those actually finish?
I think I heard that Millar got some fucked up virus or sickness or something which stopped him from working for awhile, and the first issue of Unfunnies is supposed to be rereleased when he finishes the other issues.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
03:42 / 06.03.06
It's yet to be explained quite how everyone thought Cap was guilty of murdering Hawkeye's family. Fury had some secret camera hook-up which appeared to indicate his guilt
Loki can change reality, or so he says. Shape shifter? One of those Chituari aliens?
 
 
Bingoboots
04:38 / 06.03.06
While it's almost inevitable that works of fiction will require some suspension of disbelief (and comic books doubly so) , there were a couple of things I just couldn't get past in this issue.

Firstly, killing people by flicking fingernails at them? Unless Hawkeye's fingernails are razor-sharp steel, it seems like he could do as much damage flicking potato chips. Sure, maybe he could put out somebody's eye, but kill a half-dozen men? (Revisit "Marvel Boy" for the proper way of killing someone with a fingernail!) Keep in mind, Hawkeye is tied down at the wrists - he can only flick these unlikely projectiles with his now nail-less fingers. Just how much deadly velocity do you expect he can get out of them?

And then the last baddie standing is given the choice of getting killed, or releasing Hawkeye and then getting killed and then having everyone else in the place die at the hands of the sworn enemy he just released. Why would he not just, I dunno, DUCK to avoid the white-hot flying fingernail of doom? Put his arms in front of his face, since a (literaly and figuratively) bloody little fingernail wouldn't be able to pierce the cloth of his shirt? Back up a couple steps, since a light, curved, bloody piece of nail would likely fly neither straight nor far? Tell Hawkeye to go to hell, since if he kills you, the next guy through the door will put a bullet through his head?

Well of course any self-respecting evil-doer would make the logical choice: untie your dangerous enemy who is otherwise one fingernail away from utter helplessness! Let him kill everybody, not just you!
 
 
Triplets
18:28 / 06.03.06
This comic should just about those far more realistic robots and thunder gods.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:56 / 06.03.06
i don't think it's depicting those guys dying from flicked fingernails...they seem to be groaning and rolling around on the ground from the way i read the sequence.

but think about it. if someone flicked an entire sharp fingernail into your eye at even a marginal velocity, you would probably fall over in pretty severe pain and not really be able to defend yourself right?
 
 
the credible hulk
01:53 / 07.03.06
It's yet to be explained quite how everyone thought Cap was guilty of murdering Hawkeye's family. Fury had some secret camera hook-up which appeared to indicate his guilt

They did explain that, didn't they? Right before the infamous fingernail scene, Hawkeye asked the scarred guy if it was him that killed his wife, and he more or less admitted to it. He was probably just dressed like Cap.
 
 
The Falcon
11:12 / 12.03.06
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Here'za cover to #12, which looks - given it's gatefold - t'be the final issue for sure, and Hitch's last chance to draw the entire Ultimate universe. Some a' the faces are a bit wonky, eh?
 
 
The Falcon
11:15 / 12.03.06
*they faces. I think I've turned into Beau Smith or something.
 
 
tickspeak
16:36 / 12.03.06
Eeeew, what the hell is wrong with Spidey's left leg in that picture? It's like a vestigial flipper-limb.
 
 
The Falcon
18:52 / 12.03.06
Cap and Wolvie are tfu (the fuckest uppest*) there.

*Which is to say, the most fucked up.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
19:05 / 12.03.06
A bit off topic, but looking at that cover Captain Britain's stupid white pant make me wanna throw up. They should be blue. Looks like he was wearing pajamas and only put half his costume on.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
19:05 / 12.03.06
A bit off topic, but looking at that cover Captain Britain's stupid white pants make me wanna throw up. They should be blue. Looks like he was wearing pajamas and only put half his costume on.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:59 / 21.06.06
NOTHING CAN STOP IT!!!

Enough, comics! I can't take anymore!!!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:36 / 21.06.06
Right there with you, buddy.

The twist on Jan's power is great, although it seems to undermine her need to carry a gun shortly thereafter...
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:18 / 22.06.06
Issue 11.

Curious what Cap. Brit's alternate plan will be.

How lucky that Bruce just happened to be in town... Unless he was tipped off by a certain Ant Man who still wants to be a hero.

Jan does okay for herself.

Hawkeye's had enough time to suit up and bandage his fingers.

some fun images but a little thin in places.

Iron Man's older suit has a monkey's face?

I bet Suit 6 will be a giant Mech.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:59 / 22.06.06
I bet Suit 6 will be a giant Mech.

Enh, I hope not on the grounds that the Liberators took out those Rocketmen Mecha types pretty easy-peasy. I'm hoping it's a sleeker suit of Iron Man armour.

And I assume Bruce is there because of a tip-off...
 
 
The Falcon
16:37 / 22.06.06
Pym? Hope so; much as I frothed for Cap to give him a leathering, all those years ago, I did manage to find a degree of sympathy for him in that Defenders issue, and don't think it'd be very interesting if he were just a standard villain.
 
 
grime
16:59 / 22.06.06
#11 was such a payoff issue!

Loki is so great, i can't wait to see an "overt" use of his powers.

favourite moment: laura? LAURA!!

holy shit, that killed me.
 
  

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