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The Ultimates 2

 
  

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FinderWolf
16:52 / 27.07.05
could be a red light casting the redness on the face and the gloves...
 
 
Bed Head
17:09 / 27.07.05


Aha! Red gloves!1!
 
 
rabideyemovement
18:07 / 27.07.05
I don't think it's Wasp. Look just above the ear and just below it. It's the shape of Cap's helmet. Unless... Pym's been playing dress up for the Valkyrie again.
 
 
Aertho
18:17 / 27.07.05
So what if it's Cap in handcuffs? Who's to say he's not being framed?
 
 
rabideyemovement
18:49 / 27.07.05
Hawkeye was smashed by a black-ops type team. Cap definitely doesn't need that kind of backup, so maybe it's the Widow acting on behalf of Fury. Perhaps Fury thinks Clint is the Wolf in the fold.
So there's a schism in the team, Fury hunting the traitor, never suspecting Cap could be that wolf.

The wolf said this much to Pym. "A traitor is someone who betrays what they believe in, hank. This isn't a nation in which I believe anymore. I never asked for Homeland Security or Guantanamo bay or this preemptive strike they made us do on a a third-world country."

And Cap has already admitted that his faith in this new America was shaky.
Yeah, I know, it's all conjecture. But that's half the fun with this series.
 
 
rabideyemovement
18:59 / 27.07.05
I guess another possibility would be Ultimate Yellowjacket, Pym's schizoid personality. But I was hoping they'd save that for after the Ultron storyline.
 
 
rabideyemovement
19:00 / 27.07.05
me again... I just found a preview for #7.
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=37060
 
 
Krug
22:29 / 06.08.05
At the comic-con they're teased that the creative team for V3 will be high profile.

Rumoured to be Jeph Loeb and Joe Madureira.

I don't think anyone available to Marvel will really do a better job than Millar's done with V2.

I originally thought it might be Warren Ellis.
 
 
Billuccho!
00:10 / 07.08.05
Rumoured to be Jeph Loeb and Joe Madureira.

That would be the shittiest comic ever made. And no, I'm not exaggerating. If anything, I am somehow downplaying the hideousness of that prospect.
 
 
Krug
08:25 / 07.08.05
Oh yes, I tend to forget that the people who liked Madureira in the 90s and other shite never grew up. Apparently him working for Marvel was a "big" anouncement. Jeph Loeb is in the same class of mediocre as JMS, Mark Waid, Peter David etc.

Who would be a suitable available replacement?
 
 
Eskay Uno
08:31 / 07.08.05
Whedon and Cassady...?
 
 
gridley
13:56 / 07.08.05
It might be a bit poetic for Ellis to take over for Millar on this one (reversal of Authority and all that).

Although frankly, I doubt I'll read more than one issue after Millar regardless of who takes over.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
14:26 / 07.08.05
My dream follow-up would be Andy Diggle and Someone Who Draws Awesome 'Splosions. However, Diggle has pretty much squashed the rumors that he's the folow-up.

Which is sad, really. Because he, Ellis, and the late Micah Wright are the only names that pop to mind as good replacements.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:07 / 08.08.05
Yes, Micah Wright could do a great job on the Ultimates! I loved his Stormwatch work and those awesome propoganda posters. There's still a bunch of haters out there that wouldn't want to see him work again, but hey, he's a fiction writer. He makes shit up for a living, and he's damn good at it. Especially when it comes to government sponsored super-teams.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:57 / 08.08.05
Jeph Loeb on the Ultimates would be the death knell of the book. Let's hope it's Ellis, or someone else.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:30 / 08.08.05
I think what Wright did was reprehensible... but he was a damn good writer. He was quickly becoming one of my favourites until he got outed. And I think he'd do a damn fine Ultimates.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:10 / 09.08.05
What did Wright do?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:31 / 09.08.05
"I was in the U.S. Army Rangers. We're one of the last groups of the modern military to receive intensive personal-combat training. In addition, I have tons of friends who compete in combat sports such as jiu-jitsu, Kendo and kickboxing. I worked that entire fight between Jukko and Midnighter out with a friend of mine in order to show people what a real fight looks like." - Micah Wright

Oopsie!
 
 
rabideyemovement
03:40 / 10.08.05
It was an incredibly stupid thing to lie about if he didn't want to get caught. It was silly for him to be fired by DC.
Saying a liar shouldn't be a writer is like saying I can't be an artist just because I hallucinate.

I keep reading this Jeph Loeb rumor at every turn. I shudder to think what he would do with the Ultimates. I really doubt Marvel would turn over their top-selling book to someone as mediocre as Loeb.
 
 
rabideyemovement
07:45 / 10.08.05
But Marvel does strange things sometimes. I just read that there's an Ultimates cartoon coming straight to DVD in February.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:53 / 11.08.05
Spoilers? I don't think so, but you're warned.









Bought Annual 1 today. I don't think I've actually read an "annual" issue in a long time.

Boring. I think, in retrospect, I shouldn't have spent the money and it pretty much cements that I'll be dropping the book. It demonstrates the thing that bugs me about this title; while I really enjoy unsympathetic characters and they can be done really well, I don't like it when there are so many main cast members who ARE ALL unsympathetic but no one actually gets enough screen time to be developed. I just don't care. The reason I liked the Defenders issue was that it was a spotlight issue - we finally got some development for Hank.

Hawkeye and his family were all cyphers right up until the scene where BAD THINGS HAPPENED.

Anyway, back to the annual. Wow, the Reserves are a bunch of characters I don't care about who are essentially knockoffs of existing Ultimates, so they aren't even interesting on a ZAP-BANG level. None of them are given enough screen time to care about, including the Four Seasons ("Uh-oh! Scarlet Witch is down! We'd better send in that weird, post-human Hotel Chain to mop up the mess!"), where only one member is named and that's at the expense of a "This costume makes me look gay" joke that fell flat.

Flat is how I'd describe the art, by Steve Dillon; it might have been the inking and colouring's fault, but everything looked dull and bland, with several panels a bit off as far as perspective or body movement. The characters looked stiff.

Meanwhile, Fury's a bad ass. Wow, didn't know that before, and I certainly didn't guess the significant plot twist as soon as that plotline was introduced.

So, I think I'll skip out on this book after this. I miss Thor.
 
 
Aertho
02:30 / 11.08.05
Ugh.

Bored as well.

Miss Thor too.
 
 
rabideyemovement
06:22 / 11.08.05
It was cool for a split second when I thought we were about to see the Ultimate USAgent.
 
 
Spaniel
14:19 / 12.08.05
Really, really boring, and yes, full of horrid characters.

Ugh.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:19 / 13.08.05
Such as Summer and his garishly effeminate costume? Whose bright idea was-- uh, never mind.
I guess we can look forward to all of these new super soldiers getting killed off sometime in the near future.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:27 / 14.08.05
Maybe Ultimate Jarvis could do something besides a catty bitchy person? Maybe do something related to the plot for once?
 
 
rabideyemovement
23:24 / 14.08.05
Well, they could always reveal him to be the traitor!

Speaking of which, here's that next Ultimate's cover with the shadow removed...
 
 
rabideyemovement
23:25 / 14.08.05
whoops... doublepost.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
00:30 / 15.08.05
He may be on the cover, but there's no way Cap's the traitor, unless Millar wants to shoot the franchise in the foot.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:38 / 15.08.05
or this is where Loki completes his frame-up of Cap... "caught" offing someone else while posing as Cap.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:38 / 15.08.05
But if the Ultimates were being used by a cirrput government, then Cap could be both "traitor" and hero. I think we may see a "scapegoat" traitor first and the "true" traitor revealed later. The idea of a USAgent slaughtering Hawkeye's family sounds like a damn good start.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:39 / 15.08.05
cirrput = corrupt
 
 
Triplets
16:11 / 15.08.05
I still maintain that Rogers is Ultimate USAgent. Millar's reversing things. Cap will be the right-wing asshole and they'll give a prototype soldier serum to someone else. Perhaps someone called Cpt. John Walker. He'll be the real Cap.

Or Lokimillar is trying to get us to think there's a traitor, when it's just him playing skull puncture with the Family Barton.

Plot points: Cap weighs too much for Quicksilver to carry? Shapeshifting impersonator? Cyborg enhancements?
 
 
Aertho
16:35 / 15.08.05
Heavy Cap: Super-dense cell structure. Makes him strong and durable, and able to jump from helicopters.
 
 
Triplets
17:16 / 16.08.05
Traitor speculation: we know the killer has penchant for gloves, guns and military syntax.

Natasha fits the most. She's the only one on the team who uses guns, she's ex-black ops and from her backstory seems to have defected to the U.S. a while back in the 80s.

"Feeling stupid"? For what, working with the traitor this whole time? It's Natasha or Fury.

Natasha working for Fury?
 
  

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