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21:12 / 07.12.05

Flesh?

...Freudian? How's married life, Benny?

22:18 / 07.12.05

well, the metal skin CGI worked well in the 2nd movie, I don't know. Colossus appears in 2 shots in the teaser: a] we're so cool going to work and b] doing the "Fastball Special" move.

22:43 / 07.12.05

Yeah, Chad, Flesh. The soft-porn parody that spawned its own sequel. Go figure.

06:25 / 08.12.05

threadrot - Chad, co-habitational life is great, planning for the wedding still, so not quite there yet! - end threadrot.

12:55 / 08.12.05

Beast looks especially cool in a suit.

I would think that Colossus would need to be armored-up to do a fastball special - is he strong enough to throw a man in regular old human form? (I know it's comics, and a movie, but still...)

14:42 / 08.12.05

He is armoured. As in, not flesh, like Flesh Gordon, who plays Omega Red...

14:52 / 08.12.05

So can anybody tell me that song from the beginning? With the machine-like beats and grinding? Sounds a little like Fantastic Four's intro.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

20:39 / 09.12.05

The Phoenix costume looks like a bad bad goth party dress.

I was hoping for Famke in liquid latex, ala NXM

21:34 / 09.12.05

liquid latex

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

14:51 / 15.12.05

I just thought that is what it is called. What do you old folks call it?

Also, upon further viewing, Dark Phoenix looks less like a Goth girl and more like a maternity wear pirate.

15:00 / 15.12.05

.... will have Jean Grey completely covered in liquid latex. And it will be entirely tasteful and necessary to the plot.

15:01 / 15.12.05

What do you old folks call it?

With varying degrees of fanboyosity: unstable molecules, kevlar-reinforced spandex, or semen.

12:00 / 22.12.05

Bret Ratner's X-Mas Card...

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

23:34 / 24.12.05

With varying degrees of fanboyosity: unstable molecules, kevlar-reinforced spandex, or semen.

LOLlerskates!

Keith, like a scientist

15:25 / 30.12.05

How many characters are in this movie, anyway? Psylocke joins the cast.

13:50 / 31.12.05

Gorgeous! I hope she doesn't stay in Magneto's camp for long.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

15:57 / 31.12.05

I think she'll be responsible for the most electrifying eighteen seconds in the film, somewhere between Juggernaut and Pyro's electrifying cameos. They can't all have Colossus' three minutes!

04:08 / 02.01.06

X-MEN: best mainstream franchise for unknown actors' portifolios. quality seconds, probably a one-liner somewhere before the final showdown between evil and good mutants. you know, for kids.

11:16 / 02.01.06

It's Casualty with mutants.

11:56 / 02.01.06

I'm actually quite excited about this. It has glorious mess written all over it.

19:50 / 02.01.06

from comics 2 film:

>> Actor Patrick Stewart was interviewed by TrekWeb and he called the third film's script, "the best script of the three. It's very intense, it's very emotional, it's very personal about the individuals that we've already got to know in the first two movies. It has some astonishing set-piece sequences. It has a number of quite significant deaths. [From] what I've seen so far, I think, it's likely to be extraordinary. Some absolutely outstanding work is happening in Vancouver -- including from some of the new people who've come onboard ranging from Kelsey Grammer to Vinnie Jones, who are now part of the X-MEN family, If anyone saw Brett's 'RED DRAGON,' which I thought was an outstanding film, I don't think they have any reason to be nervous."

Hmmm....okay, Patrick.

And now, in other comic book related news:

>> SUPERHERO MOVIES OUT OF STYLE?

That's the assertation of an article at trade magazine Variety. They claim that all the "top tier" properties have been used by the Big Two, and Hollywood is turning to indie comics for its new stories.

Hmm...this may be so. But we've got Spidey 3 and X3 upcoming, and while the Golden Age of Marvel superhero movies may come to an end with these 2 (well, I at least expect Spidey to be good, Ghost Rider probably not very good, and do we really expect an FF sequel to be very good?), DC's Golden Age might just be starting up, with the success of Batman Begins, Batman 2, Wonder Woman, and Superman Returns ramping up. I would count Sin City 2 as part of the Comic Book Golden Age of Movie's we're now experiencing, too.

20:46 / 02.01.06

Hmm...this may be so. But we've got Spidey 3 and X3 upcoming, and while the Golden Age of Marvel superhero movies may come to an end with these 2 (well, I at least expect Spidey to be good, Ghost Rider probably not very good, and do we really expect an FF sequel to be very good?), DC's Golden Age might just be starting up, with the success of Batman Begins, Batman 2, Wonder Woman, and Superman Returns ramping up. I would count Sin City 2 as part of the Comic Book Golden Age of Movie's we're now experiencing, too.

Batman Begins is probably the best example of why your analysis is overly optimistic. It was an excellent movie with a big name cast and one of the most recognizeable characters in pop culture in general, not just comics. If any movie should have blown the doors off the box office, this was the one, but it was a disappointment at the box office as far as blockbusters go. Not a flop by any means, but not what was expected.

If an A-list movie like Batman Begins doesn't perform up to expectations, the superhero boom is over. Period. At this rate, Spider-Man 3 will coast to a big opening on the massive strength of the franchise. X3 might get lucky in that respect, or it might not. The future of everything else looks grim. I'm sure I'm not alone in fully expecting both Superman Returns and Wonder Woman to fail, at which point Hollywood will wash its hands of whatever other superhero projects are still in pre-production and distance itself totally from the genre.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:01 / 02.01.06

at which point Hollywood will wash its hands of whatever other superhero projects are still in pre-production and distance itself totally from the genre

Which could be a good thing... I mean, I loved both X-Men and X2 (and the Spiderman movies for that matter)... but I was surprised by all of them. And I still think comic characters work best in comics, and the sooner comics as a medium gets out of the mindset of having to validate itself by comparison with cinema the better.

I'd LOVE some great new movie adaptations of comics, I really would. But I could just as easily live without them, and let people making movies come up with some great new ideas that are perfect for cinema, and developed with that form in mind.

21:31 / 02.01.06

diz, I wouldn't say Batman Begins was or is quite the flop you think it is.

Warner Home Video has strengthened its market share dominance to about 21% with its powerhouse catalog and consistent string of new releases, led in the fourth quarter by the surprising opening week and legs of Batman Begins, which will generate about 90% of its $205 million box office gross on DVD (source).

205 mill ain't too shabby for a franchise that was pronounced dead and barren following Batman And Robin. Not too shabby at all.

I don't imagine Hollywood will stop suckling at the comic book teat, for no other reason than it's a goldmine for lazy movie ideas and even lazier studios.

22:28 / 02.01.06

Warner Home Video has strengthened its market share dominance to about 21% with its powerhouse catalog and consistent string of new releases, led in the fourth quarter by the surprising opening week and legs of Batman Begins, which will generate about 90% of its $205 million box office gross on DVD (source).

The strength of the opening week of the DVD was "surprising" precisely because the box office was not as strong as expected.

205 mill ain't too shabby for a franchise that was pronounced dead and barren following Batman And Robin. Not too shabby at all.

It's not supposed to be a continuation of that franchise. It's supposed to be the launch of a new one, and in that respect it's kinda shabby. Not absurdly shabby, but not an especially auspicious beginning for a new trilogy.

22:38 / 02.01.06

It'll pick up with the sequel. People were slow to trust a new Batman movie (for very good reasons), word of mouth will have spread in time for the next.

23:44 / 02.01.06

Agreed. That's why I don't see Batman Begins as the harbinger of the last days of the superhero film boom. It has the same amount of box office and pick-up potential as the first X-Men film did. So it's a bad example for your argument, diz.

If they kept making a consistent parade of Daredevils and Catwoman and Hulks, then yes I would agree with you. But the comic book arena is loaded with potentially good and bad films for years and years to come. The anticipation around X3 and especially Superman Returns reflects that.

Phex: Dorset Doom

23:49 / 02.01.06

Truth.
Of course, a 'Golden Age' for Superhero comics-to-movies is going to depend on their being several good ShC2Ms in this second (or third?) generation that's coming up (X-3, Spiderman 3 and Batman 2 are fairly safe bets). If they, and Superman Returns, slip up (I'm betting on Wonder Woman failing to make a splash in a Daredevil/Elektra kind of way) then the Golden Age will be retconned out of existence, if they make a lot of bank then it can be officially declared.
Then we can have a Silver age (around 2010) with a new Spiderman, possibly a new Batman and Superman, and by 2015 we'll enter the 'modern' age and ShC2Ms will be occasional things.
Of the big three ShC2M franchises around the X-men movies, based on what I've read in this thread and elsewhere, show the strongest signs of unravelling. Jamming Dark Phoenix and the Sentinels together, plus Magneto's usual hijinks plus a raft of new characters (many of whom are important to the comics but likely to get a few seconds of screen time in X3, such as Emma Frost) cannot equal a consistent and fun movie.

23:58 / 02.01.06

And personally I'm more interested in what comic book movies do to contribute to the comic books than i am the vice versa, the economy and the (sometimes) strengthened characterization where some may have been lacking. It forces the mythos to be leaner and more streamlined.

02:24 / 03.01.06

Agreed. That's why I don't see Batman Begins as the harbinger of the last days of the superhero film boom. It has the same amount of box office and pick-up potential as the first X-Men film did. So it's a bad example for your argument, diz.

Actually, I think it's still pretty solid. Batman Begins is about as solid as X-Men, which basically makes it the other end of the bell curve, the peak in the middle being Spider-Man. You get one slow-build franchise, which sets the stage for the blockbuster, which then becomes the high water mark. Everything afterwards is the tide rolling out.

The anticipation around X3 and especially Superman Returns reflects that.

I really don't think there's any anticipation around either of those projects outside of comics circles.

11:48 / 03.01.06

People at work are way excited about X3, and they don't read comics. It's been me that's been trying to burst their bubble of expectation from what I know about the movie's pre-production. Seems to me that people are excited but the comics fans are extremely uncomfortable about what's happening to their baby.

12:24 / 03.01.06

As has ever been the case with comics to film adaptation...

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

13:12 / 03.01.06

Actually, I think it's still pretty solid. Batman Begins is about as solid as X-Men, which basically makes it the other end of the bell curve, the peak in the middle being Spider-Man.

I thought the crux of your argument was that the Party Was Over because Batman Begins and the X-Men franchise were on the same level, box office-wise, while being light years apart, quality-wise.

22:32 / 04.01.06

Yeah, yer wrong this time diz; Superman's on the front of every forthcoming in '06 cinematic guide I've seen. I fully expect it to be the biggest film of the year (am willing to bet a not insignificant amount of Barb-kudos on this score,) and am also coming round to the possibility that it may also rule it.

03:37 / 05.01.06

threadrot:

If they kept making a consistent parade of Daredevils and Catwoman and Hulks

everybody still wonders what went wrong with HULK [Ang Lee adressed this in a recent interview] but despite being a bit slow in some parts and the green guy a pumped-up Shrek, there was nothing wrong with it. yeah, maybe too psychologically intense and violent for a superhero comic book movie [well, that's Hulk], but still: best adaptation Marvel's had in years. they nailed it.

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