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Seth
06:51 / 16.05.06
I'm getting more into the idea of this movie. The first two really suffered on repeat viewings and were pretty dreadful in places... I don't think the Singer/Ratner divide is going to be as large as a lot of people seem to think.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
12:55 / 16.05.06
HH, those clips seem to have disappeared. Or at least, links to them have - the Warren clip is still up.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:46 / 16.05.06
yeah, they're playing three card monte with the site that had 18 clips. Trying to dig it up again now.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:49 / 16.05.06
The link seems to be working fine now.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:49 / 22.05.06
well, Friday we find out once and for all what exactly the deal is with this film.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:00 / 22.05.06
Can we delete this thread then?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:20 / 22.05.06
I am so voting for you, Flyboy.
 
 
Seth
00:10 / 23.05.06
I'm going to start a Policy thread to get Flyboy banned. Anyone want to join me there?
 
 
Hieronymus
17:56 / 23.05.06
Can we delete this thread then?

Dude, seriously. When are you not whining about fan speculation threads and then indulging in them at the same time?

The witty snark from the holier-than-thou sidelines and the advocacy of deleting threads you find too fanboyish is getting a little old.

Give it a rest already.
 
 
The Falcon
18:34 / 23.05.06
When are you not whining about fan speculation threads and then indulging in them at the same time?

I'm guessing... all the time, except for around five minutes every season?

Could be.

I don't consider it unreasonable to maybe have a speculation thread (particularly for superhero films, apparently) and then thread actual thereafter, because big ass threads are not very welcoming for people who might just have seen a film and want to talk about it wothout having to wade through 400+ posts of largely groundless fanboy pre-event drool and/or carp. In fact, I consider it pretty sensible, and possibly something to be discussed in Policy (along with the matter of Flyboy's banning, of course.)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:30 / 25.05.06
Just saw a TV trailer... I have to say, the prospect of "sustained moderate violence" has me interested.
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:36 / 25.05.06
and it's rubbish...

will write more later
 
 
Blake Head
22:39 / 25.05.06
Well, I had low, low expectations for the third film, so I was surprised that I actually rather enjoyed it. I’m sure there are plenty of inconsistencies (In a “but what happens to…”, “what about…” sort of way) and it’s not a substantial or deeply politicised work by any means, but… I’d thought that it was going to be awful, with tedious showboating and filler material masquerading as politics / philosophy. And, at least in my opinion, it’s really not. There is a sense of each sub-plot reflecting some essential relationship with difference, its destructive capabilities, its importance in identity, what it means to choose to be different. Maybe I’ll come back to that thought, the film certainly leaves its conclusions open-ended. But mainly, it was pretty and fun and light and occasionally funny. Most of the set pieces work quite well. In quite a safe way, admittedly, but – there’s nothing that I found offensively bad. The Danger Room sequence was well done. Scott had a good line about the difference between himself and Logan. The early scene with Xavier and Wolverine disagreeing about control I imagine to be the wet dream of most cynically minded X-fans, and there’s certainly a number of Morrison's run’s themes present. Flaming cars were silly but “fun”. Kitty was well used and amusing. I loved humanity’s military response. The Phoenix stuff isn’t as overplayed as I thought it would be. In general, it rattles along quite quickly, the stuff “around” the set pieces doesn’t drag and sets up interesting, if formulaic possible denouements.

And then, as things progressed I started thinking “this has actually been quite enjoyable, the first hour and a half of this film has been pretty good – I wonder how they’re going to finish it in the next hour?” And five minutes later the credits rolled. What the fuck? Where was the rest of the film? When I heard reviews that there was too much going on I assumed that the film was messy, had too much extraneous material, was badly paced… but not that it would be so under-developed (apologies if I’m stuck on the speculation but I was surprised if not amazed by how they played it). The film gathers momentum and promise as it continues but they don’t go anywhere, no choices are made, or rather, there is no dramatic explanation or presentation of the consequences of those choices. I’m really left feeling rather… bemused. Looking back, the events leading up to what I can assume what the conclusion was meant to be are woefully inadequate, to the point where what I thought was a climactic point in the larger story turned out to be the end, and several sub-plots just… end. They have a start and a finish but no middle. As it is I’m not quite sure to make of it, it was enjoyable enough, it made sense in an extended episode within the franchise sort of way, but… there’s so much missing from it as to make it almost intangible, and while I feel that I should be angry at what is consequentially such a content free work, none of what’s actually on screen struck me as offensively bad, but, building on that phenomena within the first two movies, there’s just a gaping absence where the other half of the film should be. After having my hopes built up I’m inevitably rather disappointed
 
 
Benny the Ball
22:53 / 25.05.06
Okay, so as not to be totally negative - what worked? Well, Kitty, and that's it.

What didn't - and be warned, there are spoilers in this here thread





SPOILERS







Well - Xavier was presented as a dick, which fits the early model of what the character was, but, well, once again he is consigned to a nothing role, other than just being a prick who sees he's precious x-men as totally expendable.

Storm once again did nothing.

Iceman, was doing okay, but his big transformation was rushed and he looked too similar to Colossus, who only worked in small doses.

Beast was okay, but suffered from too much happening.

As did Angel - he had, what, five lines in the whole film.

Wolverine had some nice moments, but was just a running screaming hair cut for the most part.

Magneto had the best moment, when he smashes cars aside like they were nothing.

But, and incase you hadn't noticed the trend, too much happened for the focus to build anything like tension or enjoyment. all the set peices felt rushed, incredibly so, as the film rushed to get everyone involved - Rogue, gone, no character, just there one minute, gone the next. Too much spot the mutant was happening during any scene with the Brotherhood.

And Juggernaught - worked in theory, and then Vinnie Jones opened his mouth, and lifted his eyebrows with every sylable. The man cannot act, even when playing a mindless thug.

Like I said some things worked, mainly with Kitty, her chase with Juggernaught (which contained one of the worst delivered lines I've ever heard "I'm Rick James...er I mean Juggernaught, Bitch!") was a great idea, but rushed, however it was one of the few great moments in the film.

Wolverine vs Jean at the end, should have been more, but was throw away - her power was over played, so that by the end you didn't really have a sense of what she was about because she hadn't really done anything other than telekenetic stuff on a large scale, which Magneto had done with his manipulative powers anyway.

It was a bad script, but that wasn't the problem - it's a comic book, so bad dialogue isn't a crime, but the pacing was terrible, and you just didn't care about anything that was happening to anyone.

Mostly though, Vinnie Jones.... I mean, come on people, why??????
 
 
CameronStewart
00:39 / 26.05.06
>>>which contained one of the worst delivered lines I've ever heard "I'm Rick James...er I mean Juggernaught, Bitch!"<<<

It irritates me/makes me depressed that they included that line, I hate the thought of the fuckin' idiots who made that shit-awful, offensive Juggernaut clip being validated by being referenced in a big Hollywood X-Men movie.
 
 
rabideyemovement
07:17 / 26.05.06
aw, c'mon... that Juggernaut video that passed around was just a well-planned viral vid for this new movie. I'm sure they'd always planned that one.
 
 
iamus
11:29 / 26.05.06
Then I'd say that's doubly depressing.

Neither is it the best indicator of quality, then.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
15:58 / 26.05.06
Here there be Spoilers.






Hookay, where to get started… I liked the opening scene, despite myself. I really wanted the scene of young Jean’s best friend being hit by a car, triggering her powers, but the opening worked, and it was a little fun to see Charles and Magsy pre-angst.

The young Angel scene…. It could have worked. It had potential, and it was sad, and it ultimately goes no where. In fact, that’s a commentary on Angel in his entirety in this film. He and his father served no real purpose other than Fanboy wankery. You could have taken out “Worthington Industries” and replaced them with “Trask Enterprises” (since it’s not like Trask did anything anyway), had the exact same plot, and cut out 7 minutes of Angel randomness that DID NOT HELP THE PLOT, and replaced it with, say, 7 minutes of actual characterization, and the movie would be richer for it. It’s not that I don’t like Angel, I do. But he was not used in any necessary way, and serves mostly as a distraction in an already overloaded (in terms of too many characters in it) film.

The next half hour was too condensed. It felt like I’m supposed to care about what’s going on, but it happens to quickly with so little dialogue that I simply don’t. So, Xaiver’s a mind controlling dick? Okay, a considerable retco from the last two flicks, but I’m willing to accept it since that’s my opinion of Charles 50% of the time anyway. But there’s what? Five lines about Jean being evil? And a MPD? Apparently the Phoenix has been locked in her the whole time? Huh. It would have worked for me, if they’d just slowed the fuck down for a moment and actually talked about it rather than throwing sound bytes at each other.

Poor Scott Summers. He gets count out of the entire second act of the second movie (“Cyclops? Oh wait! I remember now. I had forgotten you were in this one.”), then he dies, off camera, because…. Jean lost control? Maybe? I don’t know. It’s not like he pissed her off like Charles did. So I guess she kills him because she’s always secretly hated him. Or something. I don’t know.

And just an aside, but where the hell are all the Phoenix-y fireworks? Sure, she disintegrates people, I get that, but shouldn’t she, like, go all Library of Alexandria on them? Phoenix=Fire bird of resurrection, right? So where’s the fire bird part?

Chuck dies, no surprise there, and I am vindicated in the end by my belief that Charles Xaiver has at much trouble staying dead as Jean. After he kicks the bucket I turned to a friend and whispered “Until next issue.” I’m glad I was right.

As someone said, too much Spot the Mutant. And it’s not subtle in any way like the previous films. I don’t care about Arclight at all. Juggernaut was, well… he needs to keep his mouth shut. And why does Magsy think these two are so much more important than his army of mutant hordes? Other than the fact that the actors playing them are getting paid more than the others, I mean?

Umm… so did Anna Paquin realize that she’s the second youngest person to ever win an oscar, and she really could do better than a franchise film that isn’t particularly good, so she asked to be written out? Or what? She’s depowered now (I guess. You notice a lot of important things seem to happen off camera in this film?), so I’m assuming she’s done. Not that she’s done anything of real use since Movie One.

Where was the Colossus/Kitty make up scene? I demanded it, and I never got it you bastards! Colossus mostly just stood there, really. Which was irritating. Because Colossus is a cool character. But, if you’re not even going to give him a purpose other than throwing Wolverine around, why bother having him in the first place?

I agree that I like Shadowcat. As a character she worked for me, although she’s essentially filling the role of Rogue because… the writers didn’t know what to do with Rogue, I guess. Meh.

Hey did anyone else notice that on the bridge before the Brotherhood walks onto Alcatraz it’s very much daylight, and as soon as they step off of the bridge it’s inexplicitly nightfall? Anyone?

Damn, Storm, couldn’t you just have, I don’t know, knocked Calysto out or something? Oh wait, we’re trying to show that Storm is bad ass. Except she’s played by Halle Berry. Grr. And doesn’t Storm have, like, a moral code or something? Guess not.

Beast had some good moments, but most of the time he felt… uninspired. Like Kelssy Grammer was holding back or something. I don’t know. It just wasn’t what I was dreaming of.

Okay, the ending now. Jean wanted Wolverine to kill her, right? Because, she just obliterated a couple hundred people. And healing factor or no, adamantium skeleton or no, if she had wanted too, Wolverine would be very much dead right now. So Jean controls herself long enough for Logan to kill her (And seriously Wolverine, she came back from the dead after having a fucking river dropped on her head. You think a stab wound to the stomach is going to kill her? Hell, Mystique fucking walked away from that one!), because that’s the only way that could work.

And thus it ends. Leech survives (rats), Iceman and Rogue are… Well, I’m not sure. They leave it open ended. I’m assuming Shadowcat isn’t killed by Jean, since we see Leech at the end, but not her. At all. Likewise with Colossus. I’m glad the director thought there characters were important enough to be given a non-existent dénouement. Wolverine finds piece, I suppose. And Magneto is left alone and depowered- or not.

Finally, I got to see my two favorite X-Men on screen. I have no idea why Jamie Madrox joins Magneto, because he doesn’t really say, but it was awesome when he let himself be captured again. That ruled. And Psylocke was super hot! Now then, where was her British accent? Where the hell were her telepathic powers, telekinetic knives, or mad ninja skills? And most importantly, why the fuck does she get killed for NO REASON AT ALL?!?!?!?!!!!!

Sorry. I’m just a little partial to her, is all.


/End Spoliers.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:35 / 26.05.06
(which contained one of the worst delivered lines I've ever heard "I'm Rick James...er I mean Juggernaught, Bitch!")

Wait... that's a sincerely legitimate line from the movie?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:40 / 26.05.06
wow.

I will likely see this sometime this weekend but my already really low expectations are now even lower.

This sounds like a movie I will forget about after I see it, like Ultraviolet.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:53 / 26.05.06
We do see Kitty* after Alcatraz, being sad at the graves of two people we've never seen her interact with in any way, or even refer to. Same goes for Xavier's funeral, where she's crying despite never having any more interaction with Chuck than sitting in his mutant ethics class. Later we find out he recruited her personally, but why? What does Kitty think about Chuck? His ideas versus Magneto's? The other X-men? Why is she on the X-team when there's a hundred other kids at that school? The character glut means that we don't know anything about her, or anybody, so they don't get character arcs. Shit, half the characters aren't even named- unless you read the credits or imdb, which reveals (to me at least) that Jubilee, Omega Red and Glob fuckin' Herman were in the film. Guess Brett Ratner didn't have any tall extras he could have named 'Apocalypse', or anybody with acne scars to play Deadpool for 0.5 of a second.
On the plus side, the rumored romantic plot between Storm and Wolvie didn't turn up, and neither did Emma Frost (not that I have anything against the character, but like all the other characters she deserves better than virtually no screen time and much less characterisation).
I'm hoping an extended DVD cut will improve the film, and remove the 'Juggernaught bitch!' line.

*= Did I miss something, because is there any point in the movie where Kitty is referred to as 'Shadowcat'?
 
 
Hieronymus
17:30 / 26.05.06
I'm hoping an extended DVD cut will improve the film

The thing I'm struck by, and maybe I'm wrong about this, is the unnecessary short length of the film. 90 minutes by some accounts? That's incredibly thin, esp. given all the reports of anemic characters a-go-go.

Outright lazy, as a matter of fact, on the part of Ratner and FOX.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:12 / 26.05.06
Oh shit, I forgot this came out today!

I have a feeling watching myself proven right on this thread over and over again will be much more entertaining than sitting through the film.

*Grabs Popcorn*

EXCELSIOR!
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
18:17 / 26.05.06
I thought that scene was earlier in the film Phex. Hmm. Still. I don't remember them actually referring to her as Shadowcat either, actually.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:24 / 26.05.06
>>>Wait... that's a sincerely legitimate line from the movie?<<<

Not the Rick James bit, but in the chase/fight between Juggernaut and Kitty, he says "Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" in a thick Cockney accent.

Yep.
 
 
Seth
00:39 / 27.05.06
Utter shit. Yes, there are some cool moments. But the betrayal of the characters and the narrative choices that runs through this movie are unforgiveable.

I’m not talking about the blink-and-you-miss-them cameos. I’m talking about all the principle players. Plenty of other people have mentioned the quick appearances, and a lot else that’s bad about this movie. But more often than not it’s characterisation that I enjoy, and the X-Men is fundamentally about its characters.

First off, you take two characters that are central to the heart of the X-Men, and either sideline them or write them out of the picture altogether. That’s Scott and Jean, by the way. In this case it’s only really an extension of the poor work that Singer did with these two. In the first film Scott’s only really there to get some tension with Wolverine, in the second he’s knocked out early and poor old Marsden only has to portray some unearned grief when Jean gets killed. In this film he’s killed off-screen in the first act. We’re talking the team’s field leader, their backbone, the man who holds the entire team together. The love story between him and Jean deserved to be central to all three films, not just because of the source material, but because they’ve set up II and III as about what happens to Jean. To see Wolverine steal his moment at the end of the film was just cruel (“I’m the only one who can reach her…” is intended to have the double meaning), and it’s sad to think of this character’s legacy on film being what made it into these movies. Likewise with Jean Grey. She just stands next to Magneto for half the film. In II the only manner in which she’s relevant is to set up her growing power for this movie. Here she’s squandered altogether. Some people gripe about the Phoenix effect not appearing. My concern is more the total lack of characterisation in the Phoenix, what it/she wants and what its/her agenda is. There’s just nothing to her apart from a confused role (which was played pretty admirably by Jansenn, I have to admit) and some special effects.

Then you’ve got Storm and Wolverine. Singer already short changed Storm in the first two movies: what we’ve already seen here is nothing but a bland nothingness of a character before this film even starts. Here there’s none of her background, the strength of her moral code, her ability to lead. Some people blame Halle Berry for this. I’d say it’s only partially her fault. It’s mainly due to the way she’s been written throughout all the films. Wolverine is equally a damp squib here. He’s borrowed Scott’s role in Jean’s character arc, a role that we’ve never seen deserved on film. Jean remarks early in the movie that Xavier has tamed him. Yeah, tamed him… as well as turned him into a gurning non-entity.

And there are two moments that totally destroy what they’ve set up with Mystique and Magneto. We’ve had Mystique set up from the first film. Her, “I don’t respond to my slave name” line, while being pretty awful (since when were mutants slaves in these films?) was at least an attempt at staying in character. But to have her betray her cause and sell Magneto out just because he dumped her totally guts the character. It makes all of her motivations dependent on her relationship with him, whatever we’re supposed to believe that is. When he leaves her it seems he takes her principles with him. Dreadful. The moment at which Magneto dumps her is also totally at odds with his character, who elsewhere in the film is characterised wonderfully when he’s clearly upset at Xavier’s apparent death. Is Mystique also not afford this respect because of the role she’s played? But nothing quite beats the line, “What have I done?” for sheer idiocy of characterisation. Exactly what is he referring to? Why do his opinions on mutants and humans change as soon as he is de-powered? Magneto would have rejoiced at Phoenix’ display of power, her destruction of the Worthington headquarters. It was his objective. He’d succeeded. His ludicrous turn around robs the character of everything they’ve been at pains to set up.

But then you’ve got the final five minutes of the film. First of all, the scene in which Magneto moves the chess piece… you’ve shown major characters stripped of their powers, which regardless the poor manner in which it plays out is at least a brave narrative choice. To have this reversed so quickly, to show that the cure isn’t permanent - or can at least be overcome given a few days playing chess signing seven in the sun – guts that choice. And Xavier’s Search for Spock moment at the end of the film again shows cowardice at the decision to kill the character (and also ruins ethics lesson by turning it from an interesting moral conundrum into simply superfluous exposition to explain the character’s mind-jump).

But at least in this respect the film is true to the comics. X-Men characters never truly die.
 
 
PatrickMM
03:42 / 27.05.06
That last shot just blew and made no sense. If the cure doesn't even work, why did the entire movie happen? I felt like the X-Men themselves, other than Kitty, had no real motivation or moral stance. Magneto had all the narrative agency, and I felt really bad for him when they 'cured' him. It just seemed sadistic at that point.

Plus, the Phoenix stuff was barely played at all, I wasn't feeling any particular emotional involvement. I think the problem is there wasn't much characterization in the first movie, but the writers decided that all the characters were set, so we have no real reason to care about them. When Xavier died, I was more like "Wow, they killed Xavier," than actually sad that this major character died. Jean had absolutely no agency or agenda, and that was the major problem. The whole point of the Phoenix storyline is to play the attractiveness of power, but here she just seemed out of it for the whole movie.

Maybe it's just that I'm watching mostly indie movies lately, but virtually all the dialogue seemed stilted and unnatural. The cheesy lines obviously didn't work, but the regular conversations they have sound nothing like what actual speech does. It's more about infodumping exposition.

Kitty was great though, and it was cool to see Angel from Morrison's run and the Cuckoos. Plus, whenever Angel appeared, it brought back memories of Six Feet Under. And Ian McKellen was fantastic, so good that he basically ruined the good/evil axis the filmmakers were trying to make.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
11:12 / 27.05.06
Can somebody explain why Kitty was great? Other than being hot?
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:44 / 27.05.06
She was the only character that seemed to react to the world around her - worried when needed to be, putting on a brave face to join the battle at the end. You got a sense that she had done something since the first two films (1. she runs through a door 2. she gets away from the soldiers by phasing 3. she's learned that she can phase other people, and the training session makes sense that way, she's being trained up to one day join the team). Plus her running to Leech was one of the well done moments in the film (except that Jones spoke and ruined it) phasing the Jugg into the floor and running on looked great. All other characters seemed to say their lines, and that was it, in various degrees of hamminess. I felt a bit uncomfortable, like I was going to laugh out loud, when storm grabs logan and cries after the prof has disappeared.
 
 
Catjerome
12:47 / 27.05.06
SPOILERS


Watching this felt like reading a bad Elseworlds story. There's a flimsy plot that serves only to cameo characters, and you're meant to breeze through it in favor of going "Oh, I spot that guy! Hey, there's that girl! Ah, I know that one too!"

I was surprised at how much was just told in quick soundbites rather than being shown or being fleshed out. "Oh, there's a cure now" - no talk about how it was developed, or how it's been tested, or anything like that. Just "there's a cure" and boom, it's given out in clinics. "Oh, Jean had these awesome powers that we had to contain and so she has a deeply hidden alter personality." "We might have to shut the school." (okay, they were sad and had a loss of leadership, but no big discussion? No faculty meeting? Where _is_ the rest of the faculty?)

My friends and I groaned a lot at every obvious power-based quip. "I don't have to be PSYCHIC to see that you're unhappy." Argh, you can read minds, _we know_! It smacked of all those comic fight scenes where people summarize their powers out loud to bring new readers up to speed. Unnecessary.

In the end, when Wolverine is holding Jean, I thought, Please say "Noooooo!", and I will WIN. And I did. Um, go me.

I did like Madrox, though. And I thought Beast was great, though I would've liked to see him be even more articulate and educated in his vocabulary. Also, the scene of Magneto rescuing Mystique was excellent. He should've been ruthless like that when he was moving the bridge - just sweep all the cars off the side, Mags, they're in your way!
 
 
e-n
11:59 / 28.05.06
Just watched this and I can't help feeling that people are being overly harsh.

Yes there's a feckload of stuff thrown around, but I felt that this was to try and appease the fanboys wanting to see more mutants but they still had a plot to cover and it wasa going to become messy.

They were never going to be able to make(afford?) the movie we all have in our heads and I felt that really showed in a lot of the cheap scenes (such as wolive taking out the sentinel off camera).

I watched it in Malaysia and I heard rumours that there may have been cuts made and I didn't see "Xavier’s Search for Spock" moment that Seth referred to. I'm presuming he jumped into the body of the man with no conciousness that Moira wasa talking about?

Jean was underused, and a little buit of flame licking around her head would have gone a long way. I would also hve preferred a lot more gleeful, wanton destruction from her as she was hanging out with the brotherhood ,but what can you do, eh?

Did Magneto actually move the chess piece or just try to?
The scene didn't seem to last too long and it didn't look like it moved to me. May need to re-watch.
I guess with Leech at the school (and if there's another movie) they've left themselves an "out" if he can learn to control his powers and eventually re-power all the ex-mutants.

All in all I enjoyed it, probably because of the risks they took in changing the nature of the franchise (the deaths and de-powerings) and I think Ratner had said in interviews somewhere that while it can be looked on as the final part in the trilogy, there were trying to set up some things to be followed up on, and I for one hope they get a chance.

Then again... I'm just a fanboy
 
 
sleazenation
12:18 / 28.05.06
With one notable exception, it wasn't that bad - a lot of the stuff I didn't really care and/or has been criticised in press reviews was directly referencing stuff from the comic. The editing was a bit crap - A lot of the moments from the seven minute trailer had actually been a bit butchered for the final theatrical cut. You got the feeling that it had been edited to emphasize the SFX and action and that made the whole thing a lot less satisfying.

And the notable exception I mentioned earlier was Magneto's characterization WRT Mystique. I just didn't buy it. Magneto would not abandon her. He might feel that she has now become a poor and crippled child, a thing to be pitied but he most resolutely would not abandon her like that.

But yeah, this wasn't a truly awful film (that would be Ultraviolet which looked even worse in trailers than it did on paper), it was OK, no better, no worse - but I can see why people might be disappointed by it...
 
 
John Octave
17:29 / 28.05.06
This was a movie I enjoyed while I was watching it, largely because the special effects were much improved from the first two movies and it was liberally peppered with geekgasms (OMG Fastball Special and Iceman ices up and Pyro's got little wrist-lighter things and Angel and they were ALL Madrox and etc!!!), but it felt a bit empty once I left the theatre and actually thought about it for a second. More heavy-handed and serious! than the others; Magneto's army deployment didn't have the joie de vivre of the mutant machine in the first one or the anti-human Cerebro in the second.

Not without its redeeming qualities (McKellen) but I'm not terribly eager to see it again, a feeling I think the best superhero movies are meant to leave you with. Also a bit disappointed in Cyclops' off-camera demise. I wanted him to show up in the last act with a New X-Men #126 moment where despite all the gloomy brooding and personal self-doubt, when trouble's afoot he shows up as the model of swashbuckling confidence and saves the day.

Also: commentary on U.S. counterterrorism efforts or plot hole? A powerless Magneto somehow manages to elude capture at the end, despite the fact that the only way off of the island was the bridge, which you'd really think someone would be guarding. Is next seen confidently playing chess in the park in broad daylight (although he does use his clever "I'm wearing a hat" disguise).
 
 
PatrickMM
18:14 / 28.05.06
I like how there were 420 posts before the film came out and since it's release, we've only seen about twenty. I think that pretty sums up the quality, it was fun while you're watching it, but didn't really stick with you once you leave the theater.
 
 
eargang
19:39 / 28.05.06
I for one had a terrible time sitting through this movie. I enjoyed the action sequences, but all that badly written plot inbetween them made it so...agonizing.

I've in fact tried to capture my issues in a chart.

yes, it really did suck this badly.
 
  

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