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Big Brother 2004

 
  

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cantankor
20:25 / 04.06.04
Well helloooo Ganesh!! So lovely to be back on the "Lith". Little "Hantankor" (aka "Cub") is in bed so have beaten Hanabius to the computer!
Anyway, thanks for refreshing my memory re "the Wilderness Years" looking after lots of kittens!! Do you think Kitten was scared she'd catch heterosexuality from Jason if she slept in the same bed as him?
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
20:26 / 04.06.04
Have mercy on the poor girl...

She KNOWS she was a Cosmic Schmuck.

She's the proto-'lither, not meek li'l Stuart.

TtT
 
 
Sax
20:27 / 04.06.04
'Lithers never say sorry.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
20:29 / 04.06.04
Oh, right you are...

Sorry.

Wait.... what?

-#T#T#
 
 
Ganesh
20:36 / 04.06.04
Do you think Kitten was scared she'd catch heterosexuality from Jason if she slept in the same bed as him?

Pfft. Not much chance of that...

Kitten's the proto-Barbeloid? Intellectually self-aware but utterly unable to put any of that insight into practice? Hmm, you may have a point.
 
 
The Puck
20:44 / 04.06.04
"Im trying to change" kitten

are you really? really? or is this the same polished shit that fall from your mouth everytime you get challanged about "acting like a twelve year old"

Davina wimped out on not calling kitten on the fake life shit, although seeing her face drop when she see saw what everyone had to say about her was cruelly satisfying.

And can i say how bloody clever of big brother to count down the money till kitten left, when kitten appealed "its up to you guys" and no one met her eyes, then she decided to go, and was pushed out the door HA fuckin HA
 
 
Ganesh
20:46 / 04.06.04
Yes, the 'squatters' rights' thing ended pretty quickly after that countdown went onscreen.
 
 
The Puck
20:49 / 04.06.04
And stuart (who was her little revolutionary buddie) took a step back like kitten had just annouced that ugly is contagious.
 
 
Ganesh
20:57 / 04.06.04
Okay, gurlz, smelling salts at the ready...

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TEAM HANDSOME!

Mmmmmm, dreeeamy... Although I think they should change their name to Team Male Pattern Baldness. Then I could join them. If I kept my top on.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:01 / 04.06.04
Kitten's biggest mistake was believing that the others in the house gave a fuck about her or her ideas.

"I'm not doing this for the money!" screamed the slavering yet oddly vapid housemates. And as soon as they thought it would go... she gets the boot.

I'd have fucking told them to screw themselves and hide out on the roof like a catburglar... or a monkey... or a monkey catburglar guerilla thing, watching that sweet, sweet money they sold their credibility for draining away by the second. But that's me...

Kitten's the proto-Barbeloid? Intellectually self-aware but utterly unable to put any of that insight into practice? Hmm, you may have a point.

Not only that, but she's able to acknowledge that she's a fucktard sometimes. Admitting that you've been a moron is step one on the Escalator of Enlightenment, IMO. Walking up it doesn't get you anywhere you wouldn't be going anyway, but maybe you'll consider taking the stairs next time.

Mmmmm.... Awkward Metaphor that makes little or no sense. Lovely!

Still, I found her interesting. Now all we have left is Big Vee's Alpha Male speeches. Blech.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:10 / 04.06.04
Davina wimped out on not calling kitten on the fake life shit, although seeing her face drop when she see saw what everyone had to say about her was cruelly satisfying

Then again, everyone just believes that her father knew everything she did at age 16 because he had her school timetable or some similar dodgy proof. Just because the girl is in need of professional help does not make her a liar, although it certainly raises the possibility a bit.

Then again, ask my Mom if I did drugs at age 17 and I -bet- you she'll say something like "Oh, no... we lived in the middle of nowhere and he was very ill that year." I was, and later that year I did a shitload of drugs.

Pointless or redundant paragraphs aside, my point is that parents do not know everything their children do.

I understand the Kitten-hatred, trust me. Mine has mellowed over into fondness. Like for a misguided little sister.

Good Luck, Kitten.

-TtTtTtT
 
 
Ganesh
21:10 / 04.06.04
Not only that, but she's able to acknowledge that she's a fucktard sometimes. Admitting that you've been a moron is step one on the Escalator of Enlightenment, IMO.

Well, yes - but having been aware of that since one's mid-teens and still not managing to put that awareness to any sort of use whatsoever means one remains on Step One. Admitting you've behaved like a fucktard after the event is no substitute for actually changing your fucktard behaviour.

Still, I found her interesting. Now all we have left is Big Vee's Alpha Male speeches.

Okay, so the most obviously personality-disordered individual's out, but it hardly leaves us with Prictor alone. We've got Dan and Spambo's burgeoning arselove. We've got the Captain of Team Handsome and his bapsome fancywoman. We've got Ahmed and Fagbangle. And we've got whatever unconvincingly bi-curious flotsam the others throw at us.

Give it time.
 
 
Ganesh
21:17 / 04.06.04
Pointless or redundant paragraphs aside, my point is that parents do not know everything their children do.

Even if she did moonlight as a sex worker (for a thesis, presumably at her public school) it's sli-i-ightly different from the impression she managed to convey, of having spent an entire year of her (hard) teenage life being pimped out, giving blow-jobs for cigarettes. If she'd called her Dad, he could've stopped it all (yeah).

In my own experience of 'Kittens', their absence really does facilitate fondness. When they're there, they're an emotional singularity.
 
 
Ganesh
21:25 / 04.06.04
Just because the girl is in need of professional help

As she said to Davina, she's had ooooodles of professional help (as is not uncommon with 'wayward' children of middle-class parents). Personality disorders (and I think she does have a personality disorder) don't change overnight. I believe Kitten could've altered at least some of her shitty behaviour, but it was unlikely to happen in the conflict-heavy environs of the Big Brother house. I'm kinda glad she didn't get fucked up more (as she surely would've done if she'd faced booing crowds).
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:30 / 04.06.04
Well, yes - but having been aware of that since one's mid-teens and still not managing to put that awareness to any sort of use whatsoever means one remains on Step One. Admitting you've behaved like a fucktard after the event is no substitute for actually changing your fucktard behaviour.

Oh, agreed, without a doubt. But I'm always finding new ways I've been an arseface, and change comes slowly at times.

Hell, for all we know she actually was on her best behaviour. I shudder to think, actually.... maybe she's the one that shits in the Starbucks coffee?

Okay, so the most obviously personality-disordered individual's out, but it hardly leaves us with Prictor alone. We've got Dan and Spambo's burgeoning arselove. We've got the Captain of Team Handsome and his bapsome fancywoman. We've got Ahmed and Fagbangle. And we've got whatever unconvincingly bi-curious flotsam the others throw at us.

Give it time.


Hm. Dan and Chuckie Atlas don't really interest me, in that I think the homoeroticism only goes on so long before becoming mind-numbingly boring. However I do think that Dan may have been relaying his willingness to munch Spammer's scat. Licking chocolate sauce from someone's crack leaves little doubt in MY mind.

Team Handsome's Che Guevara merch-wearing autist and Bapsome Fagbangle (thay're the same one, y'know? ) are already making me retch.

But, as I have no Gall Bladder, I have no bile. Sigh.

-TOTITO
 
 
Ganesh
21:36 / 04.06.04
Well, Kitten's routine opposition to everything was well on the way to becoming mind-numbingly boring (as evidenced by the housemates' jaded response to today's rooftop protest); I reckon she got out at the right time.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:39 / 04.06.04
Even if she did moonlight as a sex worker (for a thesis, presumably at her public school) it's sli-i-ightly different from the impression she managed to convey, of having spent an entire year of her (hard) teenage life being pimped out, giving blow-jobs for cigarettes. If she'd called her Dad, he could've stopped it all (yeah).

In my own experience of 'Kittens', their absence really does facilitate fondness. When they're there, they're an emotional singularity.


Emotional Singularity. Absolutely correct. I have a BPD friend that's that way often. She also happens to be one of the most caring, considerate people I know, if she can be draining at times.

Come to think of it, she reminds me of Kitten. Huh.

I have no doubt that Kitten was exaggerating to make herself seem more interesting, or more hard-done by. However the idea that she was manufacturing this wholecloth irritates me.

On the other hand, BPD sufferers are often fairly manipulative.

But, what I was trying to say: We can't ever know what really happened in Kitten's life, so to assume her a liar is as silly as accepting her statements at face value.

As she said to Davina, she's had ooooodles of professional help (as is not uncommon with 'wayward' children of middle-class parents). Personality disorders (and I think she does have a personality disorder) don't change overnight. I believe Kitten could've altered at least some of her shitty behaviour, but it was unlikely to happen in the Big Brother. I'm kinda glad she didn't get fucked up more (as she surely would've done if she'd faced booing crowds).

Same here. I wish her (and every other contestant, god forbid) the best.

-5T1GD
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:44 / 04.06.04
Well, Kitten's routine opposition to everything was well on the way to becoming mind-numbingly boring (as evidenced by the housemates' jaded response to today's rooftop protest); I reckon she got out at the right time.

I found it amusing to watch. Yeah, the "I am constantly being oppressed and therefore rebelling" thing is a Loser Script that I only recently started recovering from.

If I were Victor I'd call it something like "Omega Behaviour" or some shit.

I do, however, respect her spunk. Still wouldn't want to live with her.

-T
 
 
Ganesh
21:48 / 04.06.04
She also happens to be one of the most caring, considerate people I know, if she can be draining at times.

Come to think of it, she reminds me of Kitten.


I think Kitten was caring and considerate - but, unfortunately, this tended to be confined to one-to-one moments (typically after the event) with other housemates, or in the Diary Room. In any sort of group setting, her own needs (the need for attention, the need to oppose) came first. Her self-awareness never really translated into obvious modification of her behaviour (unless, as you suggest, that was her best behaviour...).

However the idea that she was manufacturing this wholecloth irritates me.

On the other hand, BPD sufferers are often fairly manipulative.

But, what I was trying to say: We can't ever know what really happened in Kitten's life, so to assume her a liar is as silly as accepting her statements at face value.


Oh, I agree. I think it was more a case of 'spinning' than outright lying.
 
 
Ganesh
21:51 / 04.06.04
I do, however, respect her spunk. Still wouldn't want to live with her.

She just wasn't very good at directing her spunk, and it went rancid pretty fast. And people got tired of cleaning it up.

Good luck Kitten. Whoever you are.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
21:58 / 04.06.04
I think Kitten was caring and considerate - but, unfortunately, this tended to be confined to one-to-one moments (typically after the event) with other housemates, or in the Diary Room. In any sort of group setting, her own needs (the need for attention, the need to oppose) came first. Her self-awareness never really translated into obvious modification of her behaviour (unless, as you suggest, that was her best behaviour...).

Yeah, but you don't expect Big Brother to be a lynchpin for personal change, do you? Didn't think so.

That's the only thing I like about Big Brother. Makes me remember that even people I'd hate to know are Buddhas.

We should make a BB Kabbalah...

Or maybe Emma's Eight Truths a la Buddhism...

"Life is Suffering... check that... life is seeded by benevolent alien intelligences."

Huh.

Oh, I agree. I think it was more a case of 'spinning' than outright lying.

Probable, probable.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
22:02 / 04.06.04
She just wasn't very good at directing her spunk, and it went rancid pretty fast. And people got tired of cleaning it up.

Hey, I'm the one using dodgy metaphors tonight.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
23:56 / 04.06.04
She coulda been a contender, if she wasn't stuck in the 1980s. Her girlfriend is so lucky to have her back. Bet they're overthrowing the state right now, to avoid having to shag.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:00 / 05.06.04
Stu to a teary michelle, trying to backtrack asap "I really need to realign"

Wonk.
 
 
Ganesh
00:15 / 05.06.04
Yeah, but you don't expect Big Brother to be a lynchpin for personal change, do you? Didn't think so.

Not necessarily, no, not in the case of personality disorder, anyway - but I kiiinda expect those who've fought their way through the selection process to admission to have at least some sense of the consequences of their being unwilling or unable to change sufficiently to adhere to the rules of the house. Aaand, if they were well aware that a) breaking the rules would result in early eviction, and b) they couldn't not break the rules, then it begs the question, why'd they bother in the first place? What's the point of entering an environment when you know you're gonna single-mindedly work to bring about your own ejection as soon as humanly possible?

I see it as as much a failure of the Endemol psychologists as Kitten - if not more so.

Ah well, she's out now. I expect the Queen and "the aristocracy" are quaking in their green wellies.

Watching the live footage: Hi-IQ Stu is squirming within the clammy, tentacled grip of Michelle, who's metamorphosed into one of those clingy, needy limpet-like women (and it's pretty much always women, in my admittedly limited experience) who never lets thirty seconds pass without intoning, "what are you thinking?". The expression on Stuart's face is reminiscent of that of a child who, having picked up a slug for the first time, finds he cannot then wipe the incredibly resistant slime off his fingers. He really is on the verge of saying, "it's not you, it's me; I need some space...". Or sprinkling salt on her.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:31 / 05.06.04
I love it.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:35 / 05.06.04
The Michelle-Stu conversation was icky in the extreme, M pressing herself into S, clinging desperately, while he's unable even to look at her.

 
 
Ganesh
00:39 / 05.06.04
She's so directive, though, calling the shots on pretty much everything he does: "give me a cuddle", "squeeze my bap", "tell me what's wrong", etc., etc. He lies there, automaton-like, paralysed, one assumes, by indecision. Much more intellectually than emotionally or socially capable, then - tres Barbelith...

Michelle, on the other hand, is pretty much begging for a paving slab to the head.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:46 / 05.06.04
oh, absolutely, it looked like a an octopus mauling a mannequin. Yewuch.

She seems to have some kind of (obsessive/can't-take-no) gameplan, where he just lies there like a Ken doll waiting to be played with.

He's very Barb, isn't he? Shall we send him an invite when he gets evicted?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:48 / 05.06.04
Can we instead punch him in the face?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:50 / 05.06.04
(He shall never be forgiven for all that A-level spiel. Also: he is clever, maybe like a plank of wood. A plank of wood that does nothing, it is involved in no sort of clever construction and so nothing relies on it for support. It merely lies there, vainly hoping that one day it will be of some use. It won't be.)

I don't like him, y'know.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:51 / 05.06.04
well, I thought the ass-candling would see to him. but by all means also punch him in the face.
 
 
electricinca
00:53 / 05.06.04
"squeeze my bap"
How fucking cringeworthy was that? And I bloody hate the way she keeps calling people chicken. Even so what is Stu thinking? I'd fucking do her if I was him, what's he got to lose?
Well I suppose it's what he might gain in the form of a limpet-girl that never gives him a minute of peace that worries him.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:57 / 05.06.04
aaannnnnd, he's caved.

Pathetic, hopeless ass.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:59 / 05.06.04
bi-curious flotsam

oy, don't you be homoppressing u--
 
  

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