and you patronise me with your snarkiness, bitch. reason that was said was actually because your comments on this topic are rather more sophisticated and well-informed than many of mine, and my continuing to post at all today has the danger of making me look a right pranny. better than work, and stuff to be learned.
That sounds like perfect justification for calling me "bitch" then, doesn't it? Oscar.
no, but it should remind us that the meaning of a word is context-specific and that my use of 'fess up' way back when doesn't imply the guilt or moral obligation that 'confess', in scare quotes, can.
Both imply the admission of having performed some sort of misdeed; the difference lies in the magnitude of the assumed misdeed. The fact that you've compared Nadia's birth-gender to flatus rather than religious heresy isn't particularly reassuring to me.
i think the disingenuosness theme should be kept alive, so okay, nadia heard, but the other three all have
significantly poorer hearing than her.
It kinda bothers me that you're continuing to insist "disingenuousness" on my part - but fine, let that pass. I'll remind you that no-one has, as yet, specified what, exactly, they actually heard as opposed to speculating on what might've been shouted. Nadia - being acutely aware of her 'secret' - assumed the worst, and reacted accordingly in the Diary Room. The others have maintained they heard only her name (and some housemates claim they didn't even hear that); you infer sensitive and loyal reaction to disclosure of Nadia's 'secret'; I admit the possibility that no-one heard anything more distinct than "Nadia" shouted, and everyone interpreted that according to individual knowledge/suspicions.
nadia is accepted as a woman in the house, but i think you gloss over the importance of the fact she's on bb.
No, I don't. I've acknowledged this, and I'm fully cognisant of the difficulty this may make 'passing' in the future. It's worth bearing in mind, however, that Big Brother 'fame' is fleeting in the extreme. If and when her celebrated 'transsexual' status fades, I think she's gonna be much happier - and will have more chance of finding a stable life-partner.
if 'woman' was more important to her than 'nadia', which i still kinda doubt
I don't think I've ever claimed this (straw man, anyone?); I've pointed out that 'womanhood' is an extremely strong element in the make-up of 'Nadia', and one which she's understandably pursuing extremely vigorously at this particular point in her life.
then going on tv was a pretty silly move. she's still a bb contestant, even if she does appear to be one of the less obnoxious specimens of the breed, and possibly prone to putting short-term ego concerns ('i don't want to confide in dan in case he thinks i've been dishonest/treats me differently') over doing the bigger and better thing ('dan's cool, he blatantly heard what was shouted over the wall and noticed how upset it made me and wanted to help me out with it, i should just let him').
That's rather a sweeping generalisation, no? That she thinks overwhelmingly in terms of short-term gain/discomfort? I think she's only too aware that her in-house acceptance as a woman (and she has been accepted as female - not a classically-attractive girly-female, but female nonetheless) is gonna be time-limited, and that once she's out in the Cold Hard World outside Big Brother, she'll have opened herself wide to all manner of questions, some of them crass and idiotic. I'm not sure, but I suspect there may be a minor strand of 'being good for the transgender community' there, amongst Nadia's tangle of motivations, in that she's appearing straightforwardly as a woman - no fuss, no lurid discussion of 'the chop' or other cliches - and that's how the vast majority of male-to-female transpeople would like to be seen and accepted.
And, to reiterate, I don't think it's necessarily the "bigger and better" thing to disclose her past to Dan, no matter how sympathetic he's likely to be. Because a) it's by no means clear that he did hear "Nadia's a man" shouted over the fence, no matter how much you infer that he did, b) even if he did, Nadia may not necessarily be "helped" by disclosing her past; she may feel happier not disclosing her past, for the reasons I've previously stated, and c) she has no particular duty to disclose her past to Dan, or anyone else.
Additionally, by saying it'd be "bigger and better" to tell Dan, at this point, that she was born male, you imply that it's somehow smaller and less-good to avoid 'fessing up' this information. That's where we disagree. I don't think she's necessarily making a crap decision here: I suspect her decisions are based on pretty sound experience (ie. people's treating her subtly differently in the past, when they start thinking of her as 'transsexual-Nadia' rather than 'woman-Nadia') rather than irrational fear/anxiety. I think she's making a choice which is informed by past experience.
is the big jaw thing irreversible? is there no surgical procedure for it?
There are all manner of surgical procedures, but that's utterly beside the point. The point is not that Nadia's jaw - or her build - might look slightly masculine; the point is, she's successfully established a persona which has been accepted as female, and this has effectively trumped any mutterings about her physical form. The bitchier housemates might speculate or joke about Nadia's birth-sex, but they nonetheless accept her as female. That's why they all look surprised in their post-eviction interviews when Davina tells them: Nadia's strong female persona has impressed itself upon them, and they've 'forgotten' or begun to be oblivious to her equivocal chin, or whatever.
It's not about surgical-enhanced physiological 'passing'; it's about the overall persona.
nearly hometime now, may pop back tomorrow if the comics are good, fingers crossed for michelle going tonight.
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