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William Sack
08:58 / 05.08.04
Not very powerful at all, if previous winners are anything to go by. I think Craig is the only "bloke" among them.

Also, you're right about Scottish contestants Ganesh: Cameron, Spam and that chap who pissed in the bin and was last seen scarpering over the roof.
 
 
Jub
09:08 / 05.08.04
I saw him in Selfridges the other day btw! It was Sandy - and I think he works at Selfridges as a personal shopper.

I agree though, I don't think the bloke vote is powerful because of the bulk of the audience is young girls.

Originally I thought this would keep Stuart in, as they'd all want him to win, but I think he's just such a wet wuss** that no-one could be bothered and prefer to concentrate on "the characters" (ie Dan, Nadia and Jason).

**A lovely wet wuss, but a wet wuss regardless!
 
 
Ganesh
09:20 / 05.08.04
Also, you're right about Scottish contestants Ganesh: Cameron, Spam and that chap who pissed in the bin and was last seen scarpering over the roof.

The womblesque Sandy. And let's not forget that receptacle of Grade A arseholery, Federico...

 
 
Ganesh
09:31 / 05.08.04
I think Craig is the only "bloke" among them.

And much of Craig's winning appeal appeared to stem from his sudden burst of assertiveness in being the one to confront Nasty Nick about having "peeshes of paypeh with names written down" in his suitcase.

When Big Brother started out, it was widely reckoned (based, I think, on Big Brothers elsewhere in the world) that the straight white everymale always stood the best chance of walking away with the prize. That trend's been bucked somewhat. I think the demographic is now more likely to go for those individuals with a good narrative (and 'used to be a man' is one of the best) and a combination of wit, stroppiness and vulnerability. Bad guys, if they stay in long enough, often mellow into 'characters'; I think this is what's happened with Jason.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
09:42 / 05.08.04
We like to think that the UK is all growed up accepting but that really isn't the case.

That's true, but I think the tabloids (who tend to be vanguards of the isn't it dreadful movement) are in support of Nadia. Whilst that might be because they've got their work cut out for them as far as digging up her past is concerned I don't think it's going to do her any harm in terms of acceptance by the public -certainly, I don't think that she'd be not accepted to the extent that people would vote for Jason because they didn't like her...
 
 
William Sack
10:32 / 05.08.04
Jub, of course, it was Sandy. I can never remember their names. I just googled "big brother where are they now?" and it seems that Sandy is, as you say, a personal shopper who is enjoying his anonymity. Incidentally, I also found out that Nicola has turned her hand to hardcore porn.

Ganesh, agreed that Craig's forensic triumph was his turning point. I suppose that geezer-bird Kate may have garnered the "bloke vote", if such a thing is of any significance.

On the question of Jason being the beneficiary of an anti-Nadia vote, I think it's possible, but I'm not sure how much it has to do with Nadia's transsexuality (is this a word?) BB does funny things to you. This may just be me, but I find that I like various contestants and this tends to magnify my dislike of those they are in competition with. For example, in the first series I liked Anna. In life I would have viewed Craig as a fairly anodyne everymale, but because he was in competition with Anna, my BB champion, I found myself ratcheting up my dislike of Craig to alarming levels. I think this works the other way round as well. You can form a dislike to someone and find yourself loving (or at least voting for) your enemy's enemies. I like Nadia, she has an emotional up-frontness that I find refreshing, but I can see how some might find her irritating. I can see how people who dislike Nadia and might be bewildered by the support she has inside and outside the house voting for Spam because he articulates his dislike of her. So, if Spam picks up any anti-Nadia votes I imagine it's because voters see his dislike of her chiming with theirs, and interestingly, although he has made a few disparaging remarks about Nadia's appearance, he doesn't appear to have cottoned on to her "secret", and it certainly doesn't appear to be one of his reasons for hating her.
 
 
Triplets
10:59 / 05.08.04
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

He who dares, wins.

Look before you leap!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:42 / 05.08.04
The funniest thing about Stuart's eviction was surely Jason getting completely the wrong end of the stick, and then some of the others following him: "He's won it! He's won it!"
 
 
Ganesh
11:56 / 05.08.04
although he has made a few disparaging remarks about Nadia's appearance, he doesn't appear to have cottoned on to her "secret", and it certainly doesn't appear to be one of his reasons for hating her.

Agreed. His dislike appears to be based on the power he perceives her to exercise within the house - and her cacklesome laugh.

I find it interesting that, despite earlier speculation that Nadia was born male, housemates generally seem surprised when informed of this in their Davina interviews. I think this reflects the notion that transsexual 'passing' is not (as many believe) contingent upon painstakingly transforming one's each and every physical feature into a perfect facsimile of their chosen gender; rather, it's about strength of personality, and confidence in the integrity of one's own persona. As time went on, the gossip, while remaining derogatory, seemed to shift in focus: rather than a serious 'do you think Nadia's a transsexual?', Victor and Jayboy bitched about her more masculine attributes (jawline, muscularity, etc.) in a more misogynstic way ie. denigrating someone they considered a less-than-attractive woman. I think the force of her personality/persona has transmuted even the nastier bitching from 'Nadia's a transsexual' to 'Nadia looks like a transsexual', a fine distinction but an important one. The housemates have, for all intent and purposes, accepted her as female.
 
 
Spaniel
12:39 / 05.08.04
Bobossboy jumps down from his high horse.

Linus, I'm sorry if my post came across as an attack. I suppose I just get a little carried away when I see the words game and play in the context of Big Brother.
Game-play/plan talk strikes me as reductive in the extreme, and, imo, serves to do nothing less than deny the contestants their humanity.

In my defence, however, I'd like to point out that others also took issue with your post, and that perhaps you weren't as clear as you'd like to think.
 
 
Spaniel
12:44 / 05.08.04
Fly, I completely agree.

In their defence, I suppose BB has been very unpredictable this year.

Still seems a little absurd, however.
 
 
Bamba
12:44 / 05.08.04
On the subject of Scottish BB contestants, I wouldn't really say that Scotland is badly represented. This is Big Brother after all, all the contestants are arseholes in one way or the other, the producers practically pick them for that quality so it's hardly a shock that the Scottish contestants fall into that category. Arseholes make good TV, therefore Endemol pick arseholes (regardless of their nationality) to appear.
 
 
DaveBCooper
12:45 / 05.08.04
Liked Stuart’s last words in the Diary Room, saying thanks for having him. Rather charming, I thought.

And I think Flyboy’s right about Jason’s reaction, very funny, though wasn’t there something of a frozen grin on his face as he said it ? Not exactly one of ‘good for him’, I felt…
 
 
Ganesh
12:50 / 05.08.04
On the subject of Scottish BB contestants, I wouldn't really say that Scotland is badly represented. This is Big Brother after all, all the contestants are arseholes in one way or the other, the producers practically pick them for that quality so it's hardly a shock that the Scottish contestants fall into that category.

I think you're probably right, and I'm possibly sensitised to their particularly familiar brand of arseholism. The fact that they're invariably straight (in the case of Spambo, 100% straight, ho ho) white male arseholes doesn't help matters.

And yeah, "Stuart's won!" was amusing, as was "Nadia's the fucken' mole". Twat.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:27 / 05.08.04
Yeah, " I think Nadia's been put in here to annoy everyone and cause conflict, " or words to that effect, as if that couldn't possibly apply to anyone else's behaviour. As you say, twat.

That said, his look on his face while Nadia was explaining that she'd actually toned down her " choked " laugh while she was in the house was quite a picture, I thought.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
15:03 / 05.08.04
G, you have cast a pall over this happy day now with that picture of fuckfaced Federico. Had, happily, forgotten all about him. Elizabeth, wearer of exciting jumpers and grandma to Dean's granddude in Series II was yet another feeble Scots offering.

Bittersweet watching Stuardt take his gracious farewell from the House last night. Like watching someone torment a kitten. That Spambore persists like a rubbish bin that should have been emptied long since, in this heat, is proof that life is not fair. How can he be vying with Dan for 2nd place?

Interesting to hear Dermot on BB Efourum assessing the ex-housemates who appeared on his show. He said something along of the lines of, in all apparent seriousness, that Ahmed had been very entertaining and positively eulogised Victor's ability to laugh at himself and perform on request.
What did I miss?

See the bookies have stopped taking bets on Nadia's triumph. I want to see her grind Spamby-Pamby under a stilettoed heel on the big podium when she exits.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:21 / 05.08.04
Liked Stuart’s last words in the Diary Room, saying thanks for having him. Rather charming, I thought.

That's Stuart's problem, really - he's certainly charming, but there doesn't appear to be a huge amount more going on there. Impossible to dislike - witness Davina asking him if he's always as chilled out as he was in the house and him answering that yeah, because he always feels "so lucky" - but equally difficult to get passionate about. Hence the lack of votes.

It's a shame that he got kicked out before both Jason and Shell (but especially Jason). Deserved better, if only because he tried to get two hosepipes to have a fight.
 
 
Ganesh
15:26 / 05.08.04
Elizabeth, wearer of exciting jumpers and grandma to Dean's granddude in Series II was yet another feeble Scots offering.

Was she? Bloody hell. She must be Scottish in the same way Shell's Scottish ie. she currently has a residence there.

Interesting to hear Dermot on BB Efourum assessing the ex-housemates who appeared on his show. He said something along of the lines of, in all apparent seriousness, that Ahmed had been very entertaining and positively eulogised Victor's ability to laugh at himself and perform on request.
What did I miss?


Welllll, I think both he and Davina have their own idiosyncratic take on things. Davina, hopeful for rrromance blooming in the house, asks both Michelle and Stuart leading "it was because you were really attracted to her, wasn't it?" questions, choosing to hail even the most diffident "uhhh, I dunno, maybe" as an unequivocal declaration of True Love. Dermot, in the same way, minimises the murkier aspects of Ahmed and Victor, reading them as hilaaariously blokey JOKE!!!meisters.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
15:46 / 05.08.04
I see all your points re: spambot and the bloke vote but it was only a theory that I created to explain his current "still in the house" situation.

If anyone else has got any better ideas I'm all ears. He's certainly villified by the public enough and should have been outed long ago but he still persists in staying in the house.
The fact that he's made it through to the final four, even after Stuart's eviction (who should get the "I fancy him" little girl vote for sure) makes me question the credibility of everyone's assumption about who has the voting power.

I'm certainly not ignoring the fact Nadia is gonna win, by many miles, but who IS voting for Jason to win?
The other two I can just about fathom some plausible reasons but Jason, especially over Stuart's "nice doood" character, and his presence in the house at this stage just confounds me.
 
 
Ganesh
16:49 / 05.08.04
If anyone else has got any better ideas I'm all ears. He's certainly villified by the public enough and should have been outed long ago but he still persists in staying in the house.

I'm sure so sure that Jason still is vilified by the public. There's a definite tradition, within Big Brother of initially annoying people gradually metamorphosing (in the public viewpoint) into 'characters' - if they manage to stay in long enough - and survival, in and of itself, eventually breeds a grudging sort of respect.

Also, I don't think the Spamster's being quite as irritating as he used to be. He's certainly smiling more, and interacting more (in that weird 'sexual chemistry' way, with Dan), and I suspect this may have diminished the public loathing.

The fact that he's made it through to the final four, even after Stuart's eviction (who should get the "I fancy him" little girl vote for sure) makes me question the credibility of everyone's assumption about who has the voting power.

I think Stuart might've stood a chance of attracting the 'fanciable' vote if he'd displayed any sexual charisma whatsoever. He didn't; he came across as oddly sexless, the pretty little boy everyone wants to mother (and, for much of his time in the house, the rag-doll Michelle dragged around behind her) - and that's when his antics even registered. The Big Brother demographic generally isn't "little girl", as far as I'm aware; I was under the impression it was late-teens-to-late-twenties - and this age-group's not as attracted to Non-Threatening Boys. I suspect they might've been a) turned off by his extreme passivity in the tentacles of the Mollusc, and b) his lack of involvement in any of the house's major dramatic conflicts.

I'm certainly not ignoring the fact Nadia is gonna win, by many miles, but who IS voting for Jason to win?
The other two I can just about fathom some plausible reasons but Jason, especially over Stuart's "nice doood" character, and his presence in the house at this stage just confounds me.


I'm not sure. I don't think there's necessarily a single bloc ("bloke", "Scottish") voting uncritically for him. Rather, I reckon people might be hopeful of his providing further conflict, warming to his 'ooh, bitch!' interactions with Dan, appreciate of his having dropped most of the paranoid, isolating Jungle Cats crap, his slow but discernable thawing.

*shrug*

Possibly. Or perhaps they really like the look of Spam.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:51 / 05.08.04
Not to downplay the whole business with Nick, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Craig's win in year one was at least partly due to a fairly significant vote from certain sections of the gay community, who liked the cut of his jib.

Whether that's true or not I don't know, but it's hard to imagine the Jaybot getting much joy from the same sources. Not impossible, but it's difficult.

So who Is voting for him ? He seems to have managed to piss off pretty much everyone who might have been in his corner during the last ten weeks, the Bloke vote ( if there is such a thing - I'm not sure if voting on Big Brother's really that much of a Nuts mag thing to do, unless it's for a tasty bird, ) with his antics as Funtime Frankie, and everyone else with everything since so... Well I'm stumped anyway.

Though I suppose as far as the Scottish thing goes, he's the most " whae's like us " contestant they've had on the show so far - you could imagine him doing ads for Scots Porridge Oats once he leaves for example - notwithstanding Sandy's kilt, the others have been a bit shit in terms of the national self-image, so maybe it's that.

Um... I better point I grew up there too, at this stage.
 
 
Ganesh
17:05 / 05.08.04
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Craig's win in year one was at least partly due to a fairly significant vote from certain sections of the gay community, who liked the cut of his jib.

I seriously doubt it. Don't recall him getting much good feedback in the gay press at the time, and we gayers were hardly leaping all over him the moment he left the house. Muscles only go so far.

So who Is voting for him ? He seems to have managed to piss off pretty much everyone who might have been in his corner during the last ten weeks

I'm not so sure. Like I say, pissing people off (if it's relatively minor pissing people off ie. not shouting "you're a fucking cunt" at a crying woman in a wedding dress) can, given time, transmute to interesting-conflict-creating 'character' status - particularly if it's combined with a streak of vulnerability. I'm wondering whether it's the latter (his post-eviction 'I can't believe I'm still here; I'm really happy' Diary Room grinathons betray his lack of self-esteem) - along with the vaguely slashtastic insult-trading with Dan - which is causing people to keep him in. Also, he's changed from bi Funtime Frankie to 100% hetero Fucken' Frankie; perhaps viewers are, like me, curious to see what he does/becomes next. He's certainly interacting/smiling a lot more...

Though I suppose as far as the Scottish thing goes, he's the most " whae's like us " contestant they've had on the show so far - you could imagine him doing ads for Scots Porridge Oats once he leaves for example - notwithstanding Sandy's kilt, the others have been a bit shit in terms of the national self-image, so maybe it's that.

Hmmm. Not sure about that one. He's got the body, for sure, but he's not a grrreat advert for Scottish hetero manhood...
 
 
adamswish
19:22 / 05.08.04
Funniest thing today: The Star ("Official Big Brother Paper") ran a five or six page spread (including front page) about how upset Shell was in being evicted.

Whoops...

And on a historical note I believe the two factors that saw Craig win BB1 was his confrontation with Nick (and the mature way he handled the kicking out) and the fact that it was leaked a few weeks before the end of the series that should he win all money would go to helping a poor (possibly) terminally ill little girl back in Liverpool.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:22 / 05.08.04
Well, he's not perfick, I'll grant you, but in terms of being someone that people in small Scottish towns where there isn't really all that much to do of an evening can relate to, he's been far and away the best representative. Drinking five shots of fish guts, for example, was classic.

And I suppose the situation with Funtime Frankie could be easily written off as just " Well he's just bored, the boy, he's just trynna enjoy himself... he's NO a poof, " etc.

It'll be interesting to see.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
19:27 / 05.08.04
The big brother website (and the show in fact) does little to enamour the public to Spambo though. They like to write little features on what the interesting housemates are doing with the occassional sly reference to "the other housemate" who is just either preening his buttocks or sitting by himself being boring.

Even Stuart was more entertaining with his dressing up than that.

It's very much the Nadia and Dan show at the moment anyway. With Shell just agreeing and Jason sitting in the background being a bit grumpy.
 
 
Ganesh
19:47 / 05.08.04
Well, he's not perfick, I'll grant you, but in terms of being someone that people in small Scottish towns where there isn't really all that much to do of an evening can relate to, he's been far and away the best representative.

Sure, up to a point - more so with the whole 'out on the bevvy' tales, I think. I'm still finding it slightly difficult to believe he's galvanised a substantial Scottish voting bloc.

And I suppose the situation with Funtime Frankie could be easily written off as just " Well he's just bored, the boy, he's just trynna enjoy himself... he's NO a poof, " etc.

Except that all the buttock-baring happened in the first week, when everything was fresh and new. Boredom seemed more connected with VicWorld-inhabiting Fucken' Frankie. I think it's more likely to be dismissed the same way Spamulet himself backtracked: it was all a ploy to get onto the show.
 
 
Ganesh
19:55 / 05.08.04
The big brother website (and the show in fact) does little to enamour the public to Spambo though. They like to write little features on what the interesting housemates are doing with the occassional sly reference to "the other housemate" who is just either preening his buttocks or sitting by himself being boring.

Ah, but it's not wholly about how "interesting" Endemol paint this or that housemate; it's about the degree to which they insinuate themselves into the public consciousness. People talked about how annoying/vain/ridiculous they found Jayboy, had theories about his narcissism, his sexuality, etc., etc.

Even Stuart was more entertaining with his dressing up than that.

Up to a point - the dressing-up didn't happen very often, and it was kinda hard to get passionate, or opinionated about it. The rest of the time, he was a pretty, rather asexual mannequin being assertively pawed by a baps-oot octopus. There didn't seem to be a great deal of 'inner life' there...

It's very much the Nadia and Dan show at the moment anyway. With Shell just agreeing and Jason sitting in the background being a bit grumpy.

Yep. Shell's the token straight now.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:06 / 05.08.04
I'm just putting my shoulder to the wheel in an attempt to make sure that this thread hits page 50.

So...

Why is everyone so down on Shell ?

She is a sweet, lovely girl. I can picture ferrying Shell ( " Mum " ) and our daughters to the local Pony club, and while in many ways as a future that seems like a total disaster, I'm not sure I'd really mind - in a Barbour, green wellies, I would feel like a Cyberman.
 
 
Ganesh
20:10 / 05.08.04
A Barbourman?
 
 
Ganesh
22:03 / 05.08.04
The secret of Jaylord's prolonged stay in the Big Brother house is laid bare, courtesy of my ever-perceptive mother. She texteth thusly:

Still think the winner is hard to predict with much confidence. Seems J once worked in tele sales and has said his many pals will vote for him.

That should account for, ooh, a good half-dozen Spamvotes. Thanks, Mum.
 
 
Ganesh
22:57 / 05.08.04
"I've enjoyed every minute... thankyou very much. Can I... can I go to the toilet at all?"

Reshowing Stu's final words in the house. Awww... he was a sweetie, really, even if he was lighter than air. Makes me wonder to what extent the original 'I'm really intelligent' schtick was extrapolated/amplified by Endemol, as an increasingly unconvincing 'angle'. To think how much he pissed us all off at the start of this thread!

Can't dance to save his life, though. At least he tries, though; the Spamster doesn't bother. Only poofs dance.
 
 
Ganesh
23:03 / 05.08.04
Actually, I take that back. He kinda got into the groove for 'La Isla Bonita', in a dad-dancing stylee. I remember that stuff well from when my trying-to-be-straight period, when I really wanted to throw myself into the music, but didn't want to look too, y'know, gay.
 
 
Triplets
23:18 / 05.08.04
Ganesh, go to bed.
 
 
Ganesh
23:23 / 05.08.04
Triplets, you are my mother.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:46 / 06.08.04
And on a historical note I believe the two factors that saw Craig win BB1 was his confrontation with Nick (and the mature way he handled the kicking out) and the fact that it was leaked a few weeks before the end of the series that should he win all money would go to helping a poor (possibly) terminally ill little girl back in Liverpool.

Was it leaked? I don't remember that being the case.
 
  

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