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16:34 / 29.01.05

I seem to remember the MM series featuring the other last green Martian as J'onn's nemesis. He wasn't a telepath, and I think he was responsible for the destruction of the rest of the green Martians. He had one of those names with mul'ti'ple ap'ost'ro'phes.

I have questions that I've not yet found the answer to;

The world of the 'Old Gods' that esploded to form New Genesis and Apokolips - roughly how long ago was said esplosion? I know the Oans were supposed to be the first beings to acheive sentience after the Big Bang, so was this 'Third World' (Urgrund I think George called it) in the previous DC universe?

17:14 / 29.01.05

According to the Kirby issues, the old-world of the old-gods was decimated in both age and depth, like in 'Parsifal', time becomes space. I think this is why when you go to a New God planet (either one) you're really, really huge (and when they come here, they shrink). It's a sloppy sort of macroverse/microverse state, like C.S. Lewis did with Heaven and Hell (except that Apokolips (sp?) is just as big as New Genesis. So the old world/gods could have died thirty-billion years ago... or tomorrow.
I still want to see Maggedon biting down on the hand-that-seeds-the-universe like an angry little dog. Explanation for the imperfect nature of the universe, or something... really, just 'cause it'd be funny.
And, nothing to do with the above, but pertinent to the thread: Superfriends vs Jemm and the Holograms was possibly the crowning sublimity of Morrison's JLA run.
And my question is: Other than his JLA issues, the One Million series, and the current JLA: Classified, has Morrison writ any more JLA? I've got, I think, everything not Classified, in trades, but if there's more I'd like to know.

19:02 / 29.01.05

Well, according to the New Gods Secret Files comic, and I think Byrne wrote this timeline, the Old Gods died five billion years ago...

03:42 / 30.01.05

The name you are thinking of is Ma'alefa'ak. He was actually J'onn's brother.

J'emm and the holograms...I can't believe I didn't catch that.....

16:57 / 30.01.05

>> Green Lantern? Sinestro, easily. He never ever dies forever, and I think he's coming back soon, or has already.

SPOILERZZZ (but the issue in question came out almost a full month ago so it's not too bad)

Sinestro shows up on the final page of GL:REBIRTH #3.

18:02 / 30.01.05

I guess I'm looking for the villain whose motivations most exemplifies the anathema of the hero in question.

Lex Luthor is a Superman in his own right: He's a self-made billionaire industrialist who understand the scope and scale of human life and achievement. Superman, the alien, is a rogue element to that system.

Joker is also a man of fear -downright meaninglessnes. He challenges Bruce Wayne's focus, drive, and self-sence of order with sheer insanity and unpredictability.

Circe, I would assume, is myth gone wrong. She too is powered by the magic of the gods, but instead of doing the right thing, she does it selfishly, and for more "power".

I kind of like J'onn's nemesis to be the collective population of White Martians, just for the fact that it makes him, a single shapeshifting telepath, a renegade against those most like him.

Aquaman's a king, so his rival would obviously be his brother, or the next-in-line for the throne...

I don't know... I suppose I'd just like to see what the biggest enemy to the theme of their existence would be, at least supportedin the context of the books.

I mean, Grant made Sublime the source of animosity in a world that hates and fears its replacements -EXACTLY the opposite of the X-Men. Magneto wasn't the opposite, but a corrupted X-Man in that regard.

I'm interested in knowing the thematic opposite or qlippoth to the DC7

miss wonderstarr

16:01 / 31.01.05

Other than his JLA issues, the One Million series, and the current JLA: Classified, has Morrison writ any more JLA? I've got, I think, everything not Classified, in trades, but if there's more I'd like to know.

earth-2?

16:28 / 31.01.05

'Earth 2'
Sadly, I actually had this sitting in eyeshot when I asked about the JLA stuff, earlier. I think I just (temporarily) made it part of Morrison's regular run; a coda.

'Old Gods'
Byrne writes lots of things many people are happy to pretend never happened. The One Year of Spidey That Never Was, and so forth...

'Sinestro'
How long was he a GL in good standing, anyhow? He was, right?

Now, can anyone explain the dark-red-suited mystery-identity Flash from just before WW3, and presumably something of Waid's over in the Flash title proper? Actually, Waid wrote the JLA issue(s) with him, too, didn't he? Was he part of the Hawkman avatar, mayhap? Please?

16:38 / 31.01.05

As I understood the DARK RED flash, he was Wally West from an alternate dystopian future who had faked his death, or had traveled back in time to prevent his own death). As an older, wiser and "harder" flash he was supposed to prevent soime major dysaster that his younger self could not. After that, he was emersed in the Speed Force and returned as a regular Flash with that speedter from wonder world... just in time for WWIII.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

09:55 / 02.02.05

It's all to do with Hypertime. There's some info here: 'Dark' Flash

20:19 / 22.02.05

If Crisis on Infinite Earths smashed the whole DCU into one reality, how did things like Earth2 and Busiek's current JLA story arc, all involving the Crime Syndicate and reality-hopping, become possible?

21:20 / 22.02.05

Hypertime.

Or, well, it's just an antimatter counterpart to our matter universe... not necessarily a multiverse so much as a mirror.

Or, well, the writers are just doing what they feel like. Good for them.

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

03:23 / 23.02.05

Well, according to the New Gods Secret Files comic, and I think Byrne wrote this timeline, the Old Gods died five billion years ago...

Which, rather typically, goes against what Kirby said. Kirby said that "the old gods" were the Norse gods. Reading the stories again, at MOST, they died 750 years ago...but Kirby always said in his mind that the Old Gods died the minute he left Marvel.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

03:55 / 23.02.05

Fuckin' Byrne, man.

04:10 / 23.02.05

Jemm and the Holograms! (note: this isn't a link to a Jemm fan-site, I promise. Or some shit fanart dressing the joker up like Pizzazz or anything.)

Re: Martian Manhunter - man, was that ongoing series shit, or what? Ostrander had no fuckin' idea what to do, so he kept doing anything that came into his head and then in the last few panels had J'onn make some kind of fucking resolution that "this is the way things will be forever because I'm so deep and philosopical and full of pain", only to change it in the next issue. I mean, when we start he's got an evil archnemesis brother that he never had before, and then that guy's killed off by issue 8; he's got multiple secret identities (which is pretty cool) that get explored for a few issues and then whoops! now he doesn't; he decides he'll never be John Jones again, and then later on he decides that he'll only ever be John Jones again...

and the dialogue? pshaw.

And how many times can we see him squeal like a pig and melt in fear in the presence of a) cigarette lighters, b) candles, c) flamethrowers, d) random flamey explosions? I swear, he's a big fuckin' blouse. The superhero equivalent of Peter Davidson's Doctor Who. "ow my ankle!"

You want good Martian Manhunter, read the four-issue mini by Gerard Jones.

m.

07:53 / 23.02.05

Was that the four issue mini from the JLI days with great art that told of the creeping up of the god from mars to torment Jonn? I agree about the ongoing. I've always liked MM as a character, but that series just helped put me off comics for a while. No-one has really written him well for a long time (except maybe the cartoon writers).

13:45 / 23.02.05

The four-issue mini was DeMatteis, I think, with the Martian All-Purpose God tracking J'onn down. Not bad stuff, especially since it retconned the old, pre-Crisis Warlord of Mars J'onn (who, predictably, fought against his own people when they invaded Earth, or somesuch).

The Jones 3-issue mini was solid gold: 1950's J'onn J'onzz vs. a suburban quiz show conspiacy, based in Cuba. Really, way better than it sounds.

Didn't mind the Ostrander series so much. I read it all in one go, and yes, it is disjointed and features some strange art that looks like the pages were moved during scanning. The character is fascinating enough to me that I liked any little tidbits found therein. Come to think of it, the only issues that really stood out were the ones based on Saturn. J'onn finally got some, deflating the tired "woe is me I'm the last of my race and I will never be loved again" crap that most writers smear all over J'onn.

14:35 / 23.02.05

The Jones one was the duluxe books? Sorry, all my books are in storage - I remember it vaguly, but read it first time when I was ill, so I've never been able to remember it propery. It was good though.

Who did the art on the De Mattis mini? Was it someone Badger or something?

15:28 / 23.02.05

Jemm and the Holograms! (note: this isn't a link to a Jemm fan-site, I promise. Or some shit fanart dressing the joker up like Pizzazz or anything.)

Fun fact: Britta Phillips, who voiced Jem for that show, is the bassist and backup singer for Luna.

20:56 / 23.02.05

The four-issue mini was DeMatteis, I think, with the Martian All-Purpose God tracking J'onn down.

That was a good series. J'onn versus the Martian Devil, H'ronmeer. Wasn't it also the series that exposed J'onn's flame weakness as psycological? He overcame this weakness by the end. Didn't last.

22:30 / 23.02.05

You're right. DeMatteis. Damn, he's good. The MM miniseries was drawn by the amazing Mark Badger. For me it's a great look at character traits that are rarely properly addressed in comics. Especially the final sequence, which has j'onn dancing for the loss of his family and home. Dancing. In a superhero book.

Speaking of JMD, I'm really enjoying his work on the JLU cartoon - he's writing some great stuff there. The Booster Gold ep, the Black Canary one (I think that was him - it kind of lifted a lot from FKATJL) and the Mister Miracle one, all really good TV. And a great J'onn J'onnz moment at the end of the Mister Miracle ep ("The Ties that Bind") where he and The Flash decide to play a game of Rockem Sockem robots, and Flash picks the green robot. J'onn slowly walks off camera, muttering "But I wanted the green one..."

hee

m.

15:23 / 25.02.05

Marv Wolfman is writing a CRISIS novelization.from Barry Allen's point of view - the idea might sound wonky at first, but this article/interview makes it sound kinda cool.

I had forgotten that they did a Crisis issue 4.5 - I don't remember much about it, though...

article at Newsarama:

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28348

23:50 / 25.02.05

So, having reread some of Morrison's JLA, last night, I realized, he gives a 15 Bil. timespan for Mageddon being trapped in a gravity well at the edge of existence... which means either, (a) Mageddon and the Old Gods whom built him are older by slight, or (b) Gravitic effects resuloting in localized rubbery time. Or, 'cause I'm not sacrificing my big/small/time/space idea, (c) the Old Gods worked in time and space in ways we don't get them - We the skin of the timesolid, them somewhere offcenter and trudging through at angles.
I'll take Morrison's call over Byrne's for various reasons, not the least of which, would be that he's more likely to dial up a New God and ask them. And he's probably call them Scotty and, I dunno, Big B or some such, just to get a rise out the Evangelical Church of the One True Byrne.

15:09 / 24.03.05

OK, based on the discussion over here, I feel like I need a full bio on Wonder Woman.

I mean, I've read some of the old Golden Age stories, I've read some of the recent JLA stuff, but I don't think I know enough.

15:32 / 24.03.05

alot of what you'd want to know about Wonder Woman

16:45 / 24.03.05

Huh, those articles are pretty cool - thanks Mr. Tricks! MoviePoopShoot always does good comics history recap pieces...and I didn't know all that stuff about Marston's personal life.

I love that (in)famous "The New Mod Wonder Woman Is Here!" cover...

20:02 / 25.03.05

Is the Lex Luthor in the JLA/Superman animated series supposed to be a black guy?

20:19 / 25.03.05

Nope, he's very white on the JLA/Superman animated series. Voiced by Clancy Brown, who is white, I believe. His character design, they tell us on one of the Superman animated DVD commentaries, was based on Telly Savalas as Kojak.

20:52 / 25.03.05

He's definitely white in the Justice League series, but in the early Superman eps, he looked black. He slowly became whiter. Just like Smithers.

21:02 / 25.03.05

So he just looks weird. Gotcha.

01:18 / 26.03.05

Finder, does it really matter if he's played by a white guy, though? James Earl Jones played a whiny white boy in Star Wars didne?

14:21 / 26.03.05

what looks "weird" about him?

16:27 / 26.03.05

I had the same fleeting thought, actually. I think it's mostly the lips—they're well-delineated, which is rare for male characters in the Timm style of aggresively-simple cartooning, except as a signifier for negritude.

Come to mention it, though...

...Clancy Brown kinda has a purty mouth himself.

(Yes, he's the preacher guy from Carnivale. He's also the voice of Mr. Krabs on SpongeBob, which is kinda funny, given his general bad-assedness elsewhere.)

22:06 / 26.03.05

and, of course, he was also the Kurgan (sp?) in Highlander.

19:37 / 28.03.05

In the service of the ongoing annotations project on the wiki, I'm wondering now about the history of the Cadmus Project -- who's been involved, what titles have been affected by their work, and where it stands in relation to, like, LexCorp, Wayne Industries or the DSI (I think that's the right acronym -- the science baddies in Swamp Thing).

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