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Jack Fear
14:55 / 27.07.05
Oh, yeah. This would've been the mid-70s. That's where I first read Green Lantern—Mike Grell was drawing it, I believe. Longer stories told in 8-10 page chunks. Good stuff, as I recall.
 
 
grant
15:56 / 27.07.05
Man, he really *is* a blue-collar hero, isn't he?

I love the concept of Razorback, too.

If only I could dream up a plot that pitted him against MODOK....
 
 
rabideyemovement
16:34 / 27.07.05
I believe Razorback's only appearances were in She Hulk and Peter Parker, Spider-Man...
It's high time to bring him back, though M.O.D.O.K. would make bacon out of him in seconds.
 
 
rabideyemovement
19:09 / 27.07.05
Who was the mother of Captain Boomerang's son? And if the kid was adopted how is it possible for him to have Boomerangs super speed?

Well, this week's Flash features Wally and Barry and both Reverse Flashes fighting ontop the cosmic treadmill as they race through time. There's a scene where it looks like a young Cap Boomerang is pulled into another timeline or place, and it occurred to me that they may finally be writing an answer to that riddle.
 
 
rabideyemovement
01:55 / 29.07.05
Yep, they did tell. I just had to read it a second time. Boomerang Junior's mother appears to be Meloni Thawne, Impulse's mother. Boomerang was thrown into the future apparently (this is what it seems, none of this has been confirmed yet) as Flash and Zoom speed through time on the treadmill.
 
 
doctorbeck
11:53 / 29.07.05
was just wondering if anyone out there was a Justice Society of America fan, have just come to these via a few silver age comics i bought last year and then a couple of trades from my library this month, the zero hour debacle (okay idea to get a timeline established but quite a dull story) and a couple of new JSA stories from the guy who did star man back in the 90s, they were okay-ish but seemed to indebted to the golden / silver age heritage and struggled to tell a good story as far as i can see.

are the JSA still around?
 
 
rabideyemovement
15:14 / 29.07.05
The JSA are still around and better than ever. Read any of the recent trades by Geoff Johns, and you'll see what I mean.
 
 
Sax
09:03 / 01.08.05
Has DC ever had any British superheroes*?





* Not counting John Constantine, obviously.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:29 / 01.08.05
The Beefeater, most obviously, and Beefeater II. The Knight, the "British Batman", and his sidekick the Squire. The original Squire then became the Knight, and adopted a squire of his own. I believe there may be a Scottish version of Batman out there as well, but I'm less sure about that... I have a feeling that Jack o'Lantern...erm... ?II? was Northern Irish, so British, but I may well be wrong - American writers tend to have trouble with Ireland. Godiva of the Global Guardians was British... anyone else?
 
 
The Falcon
11:52 / 01.08.05
The Shade from Starman, while not totally a superhero, had his own miniseries. And is a Londoner, iirc.
 
 
gridley
14:41 / 01.08.05
I want to say that Looker from Batman and the Outsiders was British, but there's no mention of it in the DCU Guide.
 
 
rabideyemovement
15:06 / 04.08.05
Looker was British. What about Hector Hammond? Was he a Brit? And when was the last time we saw Hector Hammond? I seem remember him doing something behind the scenes in a Green Lantern comic maybe two years back, so is he still imprisoned?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:54 / 04.08.05
We're about to see Hector Hammond show up in the pages of Geoff Johns' Green Lantern series...and ol big-head showed up in GL: REBIRTH in about 1 panel.

Hector Hammond and MODOK should get together and have tea or something.
 
 
gridley
17:51 / 04.08.05
EVIL tea.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
18:32 / 04.08.05
In very small mugs. To further highlight their heads.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:17 / 05.08.05
Rocket Reds, what were they? I seem to recall them being hard enough to take on the Green Lantern Corps, is that the case? Were they all power-armoured Soviets or were there metahuman members?

The only ones I've seen recently were the suits brought by Vandal Savage in One Million. So presumably they're no more.

INFORM ME!
 
 
Simplist
16:56 / 05.08.05
Rocket Reds 1-x were more or less the Soviet Iron Man Corps, and were basically just tough enough to stage a multi-page fight scene against any given Western superteam that happened to find itself in the greater Soviet sphere of influence for whatever reason.

Rocket Red 7 was a member of the Giffen-era Justice League. At some point the JL traveled to Apokolips, and RR7's Soviet-designed armor was destroyed in a battle with the locals. Friendly anti-Darkseid resistance fighters helpfully replaced it with a much tougher and more powerful armored suit of Apokoliptian manufacture, which he wears to this day. RR7 originally joined the team as a kind of Soviet envoy to the then UN-sanctioned JLI, but since getting his alien armor he's been written more as a free agent.

The RR suits seen in DC:OneMillion were the Soviet ones. RR7 and his Apokaliptian armor were most recently seen in OMAC Project #4.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:57 / 05.08.05
Very well-done Rocket Red history, Simplist.
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:59 / 05.08.05
The first Rocket Red in the JLI was actually a Manhunter in the Millenium series, and was replaced by Dimitri (RR7), who was punched out by Black Canary in JL issue 2 or 3 (I think), who had a massive family and the cheeriest disposition of any Russian in comics. His armour was also adapted by Kilwogg at some stage, I believe.
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
00:34 / 08.08.05
Does anyone know why Diana calls Clark, "Kal" and not "Clark"? Obviously, "Kal" is short for "Kal-El", Supes' Kryptonian name. I've noticed that Diana, and Diana alone, is the only person to call him that. This suggests a level of intimacy, affection, and trust that is indicative and unique to their friendship. Indeed, a while back, during the Phil Jimenz run of WW, Lois objected to Diana's use of the "Kal" diminutive, being jealous of what that implied - the emotional (and potential physical) intimacy of their friendship.
 
 
Aertho
01:11 / 08.08.05
This makes me think of an argument I once took part in over on comicboards. The jist was that Superman/Clark Kent has a dual identity, while Post-Crisis Diana does not. To many in the DCU, he is just Superman. To a precious intimate few, he is the man Clark Kent, a man who wears the role of Superman. But Diana sees both, and in seeing both, acknowledges an even deeper identity, Kal - the outsider. Kal is the alien name of the man who wears the role of Clark Kent, who wears the role of Superman.

There was a lot of psychobabble about roles and intimacy, but Diana was still not judged to be the right woman for Superman...
 
 
Triplets
01:34 / 08.08.05
Kal is also the original name of the man who comes from a godlike super-race. Diana, being all deity-likey might be implying she see's Supes as more of a deity/mythological figure.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:07 / 08.08.05
I thought she rejected a romantic relationship with Supes because he wasn't god-like enough...
Then again, multiple writers, hard to make any characterisation consistent when every character is basically written by committee. And that's assuming there's any communication or cooperation between writers and editors in the first place. I'm beginning to see why George Perez threw a fit and left half-way through War of the Gods.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:04 / 08.08.05
The question of Supes and Diana getting together was first addressed, post-Crisis, under Byrne, where he had Clark having sexual dreams about Diana, only to finally meet her, kiss her, and for it not to be the fireworks they expected. It felt wrong for them, just didn't click, and Supes said something about the two of them as a couple being 'too obvious' and they had a laugh about it together.

Years later, under the pen of writer Joe Kelly, Supes and WW were trapped in another dimension somewhere on some adventure, they were stuck there for what seemed like years to them but was a few days for us -- there, Supes was tempted to get together with WW but they both stopped themselves since Supes is a married man. Kingdom Come has them consumating the sexual tension since Lois had croaked in that timeline.

So Diana to Clark is like that female friend who you always sort of wondered about getting together with but ultimately felt you'd be better being just friends. At least, that's how DC has presented it thus far.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:11 / 08.08.05
What about Batman and Wonder Woman's relationship? Was that first presented in the Justice League Cartoon, or comic? And what actually happened?

And another thing, what happened to the elementals from the end of the original Firestorm run (I think it was Swamp Thing, Red Tornado, Firestorm and someone else I can't remember)?
 
 
Aertho
19:27 / 08.08.05
Batman + Wonder Woman is a terrible idea to some. It's a horrifyingly romantic idea to others. Pick which side I'm on.

The Elemental War was cool during the alst few issues of Firestom. It was Swamp Thing and Firestorm versus Red Tornado and Naiad. Shit went down later. Firestorm "died". Naiad was killed, I think. Red Tornado got another android body, but then "died" at the end of Young Justice, I think. Swamp Thing actually did something cool years later, challenging the "Parliaments" of past Elementals, and taking on their dominions. This established SIX Elements at work in DCU. Flames(fire), Waves(water), Vapors(air), Stones(earth), The Green(plants), and The Red(animals). Also of note were the extraterrestrial lifeforms The Grey(fungi).

Swamp Thing then split it all back up and went on to be just another poorly written plant based guy in his book.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:28 / 08.08.05
Batman and WW's flirtation seemed to come first to the animated series, and then Joe Kelly played with the idea ever so briefly in his monthly JLA run. I could have that reversed, not sure.

Incidentally, many writers have often played with or hinted at an Aquaman/WW flirtation: they're both superhuman royalty, both sort of outsiders from other cultures/worlds, and they're both sort of B-level characters (though DC is trying hard lately to restore WW to her pop-culture A-level status). But it's never gone much beyond a few flirty lines or implied tension in various JLA books.

Don't know anything about the elementals and Firestorm.
 
 
matsya
23:22 / 08.08.05
When I was wee I always assumed that Aquaman and Wonder Woman were bf/gf because they always teamed up on the Supefriends.

For some reason it always comes back to the Superfriends, doesn't it?

But I digress. 'Bout a page back I was asking about John Stewart and I got me no GL Love since then. *sob*

m.
 
 
Aertho
02:06 / 09.08.05
Oh, poor baby.

Sorry, m. I don't know nothing about John Stewart.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:13 / 09.08.05
The Grey huh? Here's hoping we see a Mi-Go Green Lantern sometime soon.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:31 / 09.08.05
John Stewart showed up in the Denny O'Neil/Neal Adams run. Adams suggested a black GL and O'Neil said 'let's do it.' O'Neil wanted to name the character something like "Michael Washington" (all I remember from the interview I read was that O'Neil wanted his last name to be "washington") and Adams said 'no, screw that, let's give him a regular everyday name that doesn't sound like a black slave name, like John Stewart.' And that's how he came into being. The panels and cover where he shows up are pretty great. Stewart is an architect.

Later, John Stewart somehow accidentally blew up a planet, I don't know exactly how or why. This was either just before or during the Jim Starlin-written, very young Mike Mignola-drawn COSMIC ODYSSEY miniseries, which is really good on both the writing and art fronts. (Young Mignola is still great Mignola, although very stylistically different from present Mignola) He was racked with guilt about it for a long time. He the star of a GL miniseries in the 80s called MOSAIC where he tried to bring peace and order to a world that was, um, a mosaic? I never read the series, just heard about it.

When they were doing the JL animated series they wanted more women and a non-white character, so they added Hawkgirl and decided to use the John Stewart GL.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
14:42 / 09.08.05
Bit more on JS:
It was indeed the Cosmic Oddysey series in which JS accidently set off a booby trap which destroyed a planet. To make things worse, his wife (GL Katma Tui) was murdered during the GL strip in Action Comics Weekly. This mentally unbalanced JS, which was more fully explored in the Mosaic series, in which you were never quite sure of his sanity.

When GL got a new series in 1990 (?), a rogue guardian created a patchwork planet (actually, I think it may have been on Oa), from various planets, including a section from Earth. JS was assigned to keep the peace, which is where the excellent Mosaic series comes in, which would have been early 90's.

Mosaic fizzled out after about a year and a half later, it lost it's direction after the plug was pulled near the end. The patchwork parts were returned to their original planets.

Since then, from what I can gather, JS has been a supporting character in GL and Guy Gardner: Warrior, he's been crippled, gone back to architecture, healed, and returned as Green Lantern in JLA.


God, why does this crap sit in my brain??
 
 
matsya
22:01 / 09.08.05
Yeah, I'm up to speed with JS until Mosaic, and then it goes a bit fuzzy. Main question being how did he get his ring back after Oa went blooey, but also what was up with the DarkStars thing and the wheelchair thing?

m.
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
02:12 / 10.08.05
Years later, under the pen of writer Joe Kelly, Supes and WW were trapped in another dimension somewhere on some adventure, they were stuck there for what seemed like years to them but was a few days for us -- there, Supes was tempted to get together with WW but they both stopped themselves since Supes is a married man. Kingdom Come has them consumating the sexual tension since Lois had croaked in that timeline.

I actually have this comic. WW and Supes were trapped in Asgard for a thousand years. Thor recruited them to fight in his war against the giants. While in Asgard, WW and Supes are the dream team of warriors, fighting in perfect synchronicity. Years pass and they do not know if they will die in Asgard, or if they can find a way to leave on their own (Thor made some vague promise that once the war is over, he'll restore them to their world). Anyway, during their time in Asgard, Wondy and Supes grow quite close. Supes becomes increasingly attracted to WW. On the night before their final battle with the giants, Diana visits Clark, who is lying in bed under the covers. The two talk, share a moment of silent UST (Unresolved Sexual Tension) and then Supes apologises and mutters something about Lois being his one and only. That even if she had died and/or moved on (remember, for them a millennia had passed in Asgard and they had no idea what was going on Earth) he couldn't/wouldn't stray from his marriage vows. He then says he loves Diana, she says she loves him too. They embrace and Diana kisses Clark on the cheek. The next day, they kick the Giants' asses. Thor keeps his promise and sends them home. Clark immediately seeks out Lois and discovers that only a few hours have passed on earth.

So Diana to Clark is like that female friend who you always sort of wondered about getting together with but ultimately felt you'd be better being just friends. At least, that's how DC has presented it thus far.

Not exactly. After the success of Kingdom Come and The Kingdom (the sequel to KC), DC started to heavily hint that Clark and Diana would become a couple in the main universe. The Supes, WW, and JLA titles had them flirting, sharing longing looks, and Supes being a bit jealous whenever he felt Diana was potentially interested in another man. There was also a slew of Elseworlds titles that had them as an established couple and/or becoming a couple. There were even a few that portrayed them as parents. Once DC milked this particular cash cow dry, they, of course, decide to retcon the attraction away. About a year or so ago, in a Superman comic, DC editorial had Diana say she loved Clark - but like a brother. And if memory serves, once Rucka took over the WW title, he gave an interview and said pretty much the same thing - that WW and Supes have a brother/sister type love for one another.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:58 / 12.08.05
Picked up Jeph Loeb's Supergirl yesterday - just wondering about Superboy and Power Girl - what's their backstory, and how are they related to supes?
 
  

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