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DC Universe Surgery

 
  

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Lord Morgue
09:54 / 25.11.04
YES! I knew I wasn't just tripping with the Bradys on the Nightwing and Firebird thing.
Hahaha- Bumblebee. And Hornblower! Oh shit.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:03 / 29.11.04
from Lying in the Gutters this week - the 2005 CRISIS book rumors continue...

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Remember a few months ago, Lying In The Gutters mentioned a new Crisis series for 2005 by Geoff Johns and Phil Jiminez?

Well, I've just received a few more details. Trouble is they're being disputed. Let's see.

I've been told the whole of the DC Universe will jump forward by a year. All the titles will have completely new setups as a result, and the new Crisis series will gradually explain what happened to leave all the characters in the state they are after the year gap.

And that the first books to launch out of that will be the previously mentioned Superman by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely in August, Batman by Jim Lee and Jeph Loeb, and Wonder Woman by Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Sciver.

But despite the story being well sourced, someone else equally well sourced is throwing water over it. And not just over the possibility that the new books don't spin out of Crisis 2, but that the book is about something else entirely. Or am I just hedging my bets?

Either way, definitely expect shock and awe for whatever emerges from whatever Crisis turns out to be. And expect to see DC titles dominate the charts for a fair few months.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:24 / 29.11.04
>> Superman by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely in August

If this turns out to be true, I will cry and yell with insane glee for oh, about 2 weeks.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
20:46 / 29.11.04
There is also a rumor (on one of the other rumor sites) that Mark Millar is going to take over two of the Superman books this summer...

I don't know if the books Rich is discussing will spin out of a "Crisis" type mini-series, but there has been a lot of rumors that DC wants to do something along the lines of Marvel's "Ultimate" line, with Big Name creators doing out-of-continuity series starting DC's biggest books from new #1s.

I like the idea, myself, as DC needs to do something to get some attention. Even with Jim Lee, there is no way that a Superman comic book should sell less than 120,000 a month, and they HAVE to start putting together stories that they can sell to people who aren't long-time comics fans featuring the Big Characters, like Marvel is doing.
 
 
Warewullf
21:25 / 29.11.04
Yeah, I agree that Superman should be selling more for no reason other than he's Superman, y'know?

Now, that said, I've only ever bought a couple of issues of Superman and have not found anything to hold my interest. Being the Daddy of all superheroes should mean having the best writers/artists/stories. Sadly, that's not the case.
The only time I've ever liked him was when Morrison was writing him in JLA (electro-blue version being my personal fav) thus the only thing I can think of to get me interested in the character is a Morrison/Quitely-created book.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:12 / 30.11.04
I just don't see why everyone has to Ultimatize things to tell good, accessible stories with top-level creators that sell well. Such things have happened without reboots. (cough NewX-MenbyGrantMorrisonAstonishingXMenbyJossWhedon cough) Grrrr.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:18 / 30.11.04
Also, funny that Millar might be in the running to do a Superman title since his row with DC over RED SON...but I just read the digest collections of his Superman Adventures and he really told some great stories in those.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:59 / 06.12.04
from Lying in the Gutters today...

>> The Crisis 2 saga continues. Written by Geoff Johns, drawn by Phil Jiminez, it appears that "Identity Crisis" and other events across the DC Universe will provide plot points that will all tie into next summer's extravaganza at DC. Look for a number of books to start kicking things off.

An early indicator will be in the "Adam Strange" series. Keep your eyes open over there for something that will kick off Crisis 2... whether in the book, or on a spinoff series entitled "The Rann/Thangar War."

I'm told other events contributing to the overall revamping and adrenaline injection of the DC Universe include "Day of Vengance," "Villains United" and "Amazons Attack."

And recently in an issue of "Teen Titans" written by Geoff Johns, Batman (The Adult Tim Drake) mentions a crisis that happened not long after the Titans got sucked into the future.

Start joining the dots, people.
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MJ-12
10:21 / 07.12.04
So, over Marvel way Nick Fury is off leading SHIELD, but whatever became of Sgt. Rock?

More importantly, if they fought who would win?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:22 / 07.12.04
For a long time, Rock (and the DC line of war comics in general) was kept separate from the modern-day DCU: it became sort of an article of faith among many Rock fans that the Sarge did not survive World War II, and that one day his title (OUR ARMY AT WAR) would conclude with his death. It would have been right and fitting for the book, which really was a pretty somber affair.

More than a few folks were surprised—and even pissed off—when Rock emerged in the mid-70s to co-star with Batman in several issues of THE BRAVE & THE BOLD. He was in late middle age by then, still in the military, working for the government in some capacity but certainly no Fury-style superspy.

Batman/Rock sounds like an odd combination, but it really worked. My favorite of those stories was a weird metafictive tale where B&B artist Jim Aparo was threatened by a criminal gang escaped from the pages of DC comics and forced (at gunpoint!) to draw Batman and Rock into inescapable deathtraps—and then, having escaped from danger, Aparo calls on writer Bob Haney and editor Murray Boltinoff to get our heroes out of their jams. A bizarre premise, but handled in such a down-to-earth, matter-of-fact way that you just bought into it.

In a fair fight, in the mid-70s, my money would be on Rock over Fury. Take away his gadgets, and Fury's just a strutting lout. And eternal youth or no, he's still only got one eye: Rock (the sixty-ish version as drawn by Aparo) is a lean, leathery old hardcase who would get around Fury's blind side and clean his goddam clock.
 
 
gridley
12:36 / 07.12.04
The last time we saw him, Four Star General Rock was serving as former President Luthor's Chief of Staff. Given that he must be like 80 years old, I think the unaging Fury would easilly take him out.
 
 
MJ-12
12:46 / 07.12.04
Hmmn, this leads to the question, if people who think that Rock would win fought people who think that the Fury would win, who would win?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:46 / 07.12.04
Given that he must be like 80 years old...

Silly little man. Haven't you realized? Anything that happened in the Dc or Marvel Universes after you're 12 years old doesn't count.

I turned twelve in 1979, so: Nightwing and Flamebird being based on real people, "Four-Star General Rock," "President Luthor"...

Never. Happened.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:05 / 07.12.04
Didn't Sarge Rock appear in the short lived, and not to shabby, Suicide Squad relaunch by Mr Giffen?
 
 
Unicornius
18:17 / 08.12.04
I have a question?
What happened to Tim Drake's first girlfriend Ariadna?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:22 / 09.12.04
Ooohh, Goooood question.

As I recall, she moved to another town and they lost touch. This was maybe early in his ongoing solo series...
 
 
grant
18:36 / 09.12.04
What issues of Flash did Grant Morrison write? They were part of a longer run by Millar, right? What issues did that include?
 
 
FinderWolf
19:19 / 09.12.04
Morrison and Millar co-wrote one entire year of Flash, 12 issues -- but I think Millar wrote the final 3 issues solo. It was a great year. Not sure what the issues are.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:23 / 09.12.04
ALSO, something I've always been wondering about: Who the hell is Duela Dent? I've heard of her, she's a pre-Crisis Batman character, right, supposedly the Joker's daughter? Who's the mother supposed to be, and why the hell is her last name "Dent" as in Harvey Dent? Harvey Dent and the Joker didn't have a gay marriage and adopt a baby girl in the pre-Crisis DCU, did they?

I know I've heard of her before, but she's mentioned in the recent 'dark future' story arc of Geoff Johns' Teen Titans series. I've heard her name used in the way Batman fans talk about Kathy Kane, the pre-Crisis Batwoman and often Bruce's mate in future scenarios (when it's not Catwoman).
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
10:55 / 11.12.04
What did this Rainbow Batman carry in his utility belt?

Batplugs?
 
 
superdonkey
00:28 / 12.12.04
that and some whippets.
 
 
Spaniel
15:09 / 12.12.04
Morrison and Millar co-wrote one entire year of Flash, 12 issues

Loved the ish with Jay standing in for Wally.
The Flash is Merryman's fav superdooper dontchaknow.
 
 
gridley
13:24 / 13.12.04
Who the hell is Duela Dent?

I never actually read those issues, but a chatty bartender was trying to tell me the storyline once. From what I remember she is not the daughter of the Joker, but she pretended to be to make a name for herself. She is distantly related to Harvey Dent, but not his daughter.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:19 / 13.12.04
Cool, thanks.

See newsarama for the cover of the new Previews, a Jim Lee/Alex Ross cover of a book called COUNTDOWN, which is a preface to DC's big Crisis 2005 event, most likely. Jim Lee himself said the pic of Bats holding a dead body on the cover is intentionally trying to throw viewers/readers off...
 
 
The Falcon
15:32 / 13.12.04
It was #130-138, with Millar going solo up to #141, grant.

The last arc had a Sonic the Hedgehog analogue. Really nice, sweet comics.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:10 / 15.12.04
So, because of that awful Batman/Superman team-up book, is Luthor deposed from the US Presidency, with nothing but the Kryptonite mixed with Venom in his veins?
 
 
FinderWolf
12:48 / 15.12.04
oh yeah, dude, he's been out of the Presidency for a while now. Pete Ross, who was his VP, took over for a short while. They seem to have had an election in the DCU, since over in Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka, there's a new President named Rickard or something.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:15 / 15.12.04
President... Rickard?

As in PREZ?

Please tell me you're not joking.
 
 
The Falcon
10:12 / 16.12.04
That would be very special. I hope his adversary Bobby Fisch-head makes an appearance somewhere soon, captured by the US.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:55 / 16.12.04
Verrry interesting, I hadn't made that connection. Rucka & the editors must be having fun with us...
 
 
_Boboss
14:00 / 16.12.04
rickard/prez was also the name of luthor's cg president in dk2, so rucka's really just hoovering up the scraps left for him in the 21st century's best superhero comic thus far. loads of people hated it - all of them are pricks.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:18 / 03.01.05
I just need to say that I've been skimming the AQUAMAN book just to see if it's any good since they relaunched it, and while Rick Veitch's tying in the Lady of the Lake and use of the Aquarius/Water-Bearer astrological/mythological imagery was interesting, there wasn't much else to Veitch's run. Sinking San Diego and making it Sub Diego (they really did this) so that Arthur has a "city" of his own element was wacko but interesting, however, they didn't really go anywhere good with it.

However, now, since half the citizens of San/Sub Diego have been made into half man/half fish amphibian water-breathing creatures because of a sinister 'moo ha haa' villain in conjunction with the disaster that sunk the city, someone is now selling some sort of drug-like forumla that does something or other, who knows what.

So now we have Aquaman and the new Aquagirl, a human girl who can breathe water because she was affected in the same way as many others, beating up criminals in "Sub Diego", and a pissed-off Batman-like Arthur screaming "They won't sell this POISON in MY CITY!!!" with a grimace.

Yuck.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:28 / 03.01.05
I think JACK FEAR should write Aquaman
 
 
Jack Fear
18:54 / 03.01.05
Damn straight.

Said it before, I'll say it again: he's a KING. His name is ARTHUR. It fucking writes itself.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:48 / 03.01.05
Dan Jurgen's short run writing the book before it was cancelled due to Arthur's "death" in the shitty WORLDS AT WAR DC crossover event was actually pretty good, and I say this as someone who was pleasantly surprised that Jurgens, who was once decent at basic fun superhero stuff and then became a hack in both writing and his art, was able to write some good Aquaman stuff. It had the ring of 'courtly/political intruigue,' stuff with Aquaman as diplomat and leader of a nation, and so forth.

There's GOT to be a way to write Aquaman well. There's just got to be.
 
  

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