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rabideyemovement
02:33 / 14.06.05
I just read the Millineum series today, and it wasn't very good, so I'm not going to hunt down all the individual titles associated. But I'm curious. How did they reconcile Lana Lang and Commisioner Gordon being robots? Were the originals hidden somewhere, or were they dupes all along?
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:09 / 18.06.05
Been a while since I read it, they kind of mixed it up as I remember - some of them were dupes, some of them had been in place as plants. It wasn't particularly good. I'd forgotten that Gordon was one of them, he must have been a dupe.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
08:15 / 20.06.05
Lana was one all along, as were half of Smallville - The town doctor was replaced by a robot when they tracked baby Kal El's spaceship to Earth, and all subsequent births in the town were sleeper agents. In the Superman crossover issues Supes defeated the robot doctor, and the townsfolk awoke with no memory of Manhunter-type events.

The World of Smallville mini also covered these events if I recall correctly.

Gordon was kidnapped and replaced by a robot duplicate, that was resolved in the Detective Comics crossover I think.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
13:35 / 20.06.05
Er...Who's Mister E, and why is he so fucked-up, time-travelling and murderous?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:38 / 20.06.05
so how did they explain un-Manhuntering Lana if she'd been one all-along, I shudder to ask...?
 
 
Mario
20:31 / 20.06.05
As I recall, Mister E. was fucked-up and murderous because his father (a real nutso, who blinded young E with a spoon) raised him that way. The time-traveling came about because of his being trained by his future self.
 
 
gridley
20:53 / 20.06.05
Didn't Gaiman imply that Mister E was the son of God or at least that some people thought he was?
 
 
rabideyemovement
03:48 / 21.06.05
Yeah, his pop dug E's eyes out with a spoon for looking at dirty magazines. Did E ever return from the future Harry Pott-- I mean, Tim Hunter trapped him in in that crappy Seekers into the Mystery mini?
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
08:04 / 21.06.05
"so how did they explain un-Manhuntering Lana if she'd been one all-along, I shudder to ask...? "

She was a human sleeper agent, not a robot or anything. When Superman uncovered the conspiracy and blew up the Manhunter spaceship buried under Smallville, all the children of the town (since Clarks arrival, that had been implanted) were freed. At least I think that's how it happened, been a while since I read those ones.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:54 / 21.06.05
Weird . Lana Lang as Manhunter sleeper agent is best left forgotten, methinks. I'm sure they will never refer to it again in all of DC history.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:48 / 21.06.05
Did E ever return from the future

Yes. No idea if it was the first time he re-appeared, but he was in the godawful vertigo mini "The Trenchcoat Brigade" I can't remember much about it, and it was only a month or so ago that I read it, but I seem to recall E not being insane for a portion of it, and he may have ended it with a girlfriend
 
 
The Falcon
16:22 / 21.06.05
Wot's all this about the Phantom Stranger being son of Clark et Diana then?

Is it in that annual where Moore did one version of four origins?
 
 
osymandus
16:45 / 21.06.05
The Phantom strangers origin was in an Alan Moore written Secret Origons , and was told as him being an Angel of heaven who fought for neither side. Thus cast out by heaven he was also rejected from hell. Hence why he must walk between all worlds for eternity.

I think there was also another series that said he was reposible for bringing magick to the DC universe . Hence making him the Thoth of DC .

The charcters has been used quite effectivley in the last run of Hellblazer (where a demoness had 3 children by Constanine.) . Basicly as warning to her to say stop it or you will be destroyed . Be nice to finally see him unleashed as it were (note can some one please use the PS to detroy Elipsco while their at it ;-) )
 
 
Warewullf
17:02 / 21.06.05
During "The Kingdom" (the sequel to "Kingdom Come") it was revealed that The Phantom Stranger is the son of the future verions of Superman and Wonder Woman. His powers are tied into Hypertime in some way. Under his trenchcoat he has (I swear I'm not making this up) a big golden "S" that no one noticed before ...
 
 
osymandus
17:05 / 21.06.05
Actually its also revelaed later on in that series wherer Wonder woman says "Now i can see you clearely , i can see your not the Phantom Stranger "

from this website

http://polisci.spc.uchicago.edu/~jtlevy/stranger.html
 
 
Essential Dazzler
20:18 / 21.06.05
Thought I'd put this here rather than the new Mister Miracle thread, but what in chuff is a Mother box? The only time I came across one was in an issue Alan Moore's swamp thing, and it just confused the hell out of me.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
20:22 / 21.06.05
Isn't a mother box a kind of clever computery hologram-projector thing from Apocalips or somewhere like that?
 
 
doyoufeelloved
20:30 / 21.06.05
A Mother Box is indeed an insanely advanced computer from Apocolips. They're also sentient, if memory serves. Somebody could probably give you way more detail than that, but really, they're computers with the ability to do anything a comic-book writer needs them to do, if that's not too meta for you.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
20:54 / 21.06.05
A deus Ex Machina then? That's enough detail for me
 
 
Mario
20:57 / 21.06.05
Basically, think of Mother Box as The Palm Pilot Of The Gods.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
00:03 / 22.06.05
Aren't mother boxes actualy from New Genesis? Super advanced techno-magic computers with a direct connection to the Source.
 
 
Benny the Ball
00:11 / 22.06.05
They are, there's an apocolypse version (can't remember the name) but Mother Boxes are from New Genesis (they make a nice, friendly ping noise).
 
 
Triplets
00:27 / 22.06.05
They can make Boom Tubes, too.

BOOM!
 
 
Mario
01:30 / 22.06.05
According to Walter Simonson, the Apokalips versions are called Father Boxes.
 
 
diz
06:38 / 22.06.05
in the alternate future of the GM-penned JLA arc Rock of Ages, Darkseid's minion Granny Goodness has merged with a Mother Box to become Grandmother Box, a sort of Mother Box-gone-crone thing.
 
 
X-Himy
06:50 / 22.06.05
The Grandmother Box was an awesome thing that scared the hell out of me. Of course, I always found Granny Goodness and her Orphanages terrifying.
 
 
doctorbeck
15:16 / 04.07.05
>During "The Kingdom" (the sequel to "Kingdom Come") it >was revealed that The Phantom Stranger is the son of the >future verions of Superman and Wonder Woman.

read this via my local library recently, it made my eyes bleed it was so bad, i forget that there is a whole world of bad comics out of my little bubble of ones written by brits whose surnames begin with M....the only redeeming feature was its unsubtle swipes at the continuity obsessed fanboys,

anyhow, my question, did anything interesting ever come of the doomsday character or did he just remain a big monster who killed superman? as if that wasn't interesting enough
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:26 / 04.07.05
It was the law of diminishing returns. He fought Superman again, during which it was discovered that his creators were mainly Kryptonians, Superman eventually disposed of him at the end of time. Then he was rescued by Braniac who took over his mind and he fought Superman again, Supes got Braniac out of his mind and then trapped Doomsday on the moon in transporters that never fully materialised him. Last I know of Doomsday was released by Steel during Our World at War to fight Imperiex or whatever he was called and was supposedly destroyed. Hopefully the writers will leave it at that as he is essentially rather shit.
 
 
rabideyemovement
21:58 / 04.07.05
Doomsday redeemed himself recently in an issue of Superman, where in a future ruled by Preus, he becomes more intelligent, learns to speak and takes on Superman's cause, becoming a hero. I quite liked that version of him. Very interesting.

And does anyone know the Anti-Life equation? I need it to help balance my checkbook.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
08:11 / 05.07.05
They kept using Preus after Godfall?
/sighs
/has been reading crappy Superman trades again.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
08:52 / 05.07.05
I've just read Batman: No Mans Land and I was wondering: what's the deal with that Azrael bloke? He's not in any of the recent Batman/Nightwing/Batgirls that I've read and he's never mentioned. Is he dead? Did he move to another city? Wha' the dill' yo'?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
09:32 / 05.07.05
He's supposed to be dead, but no body was ever found.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:11 / 05.07.05
And does anyone know the Anti-Life equation? I need it to help balance my checkbook.
I know a better DC equation. 3X2(9YZ)4A
 
 
adamswish
13:14 / 06.07.05
although not the greatest reader of the DC superheros I have a question:

Which Lex Luthor is about at the moment? I have a vague memory of the original faking his own death and coming back as his "cloned?" son. Only with a huge mop of red hair and a beard you could lose Krypto in.

So, is this "son" still about or what?
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
13:28 / 06.07.05
The cloned 'son' with Luthors brain lost his hair.
 
  

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