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Lord Morgue
10:34 / 11.08.05
Hmm, I think I remember reading an old Marvel Universe entry on her- it mentioned she had lost all her powers, save the ability to wall-crawl, which, correct me if I'm just tripping with the Bradys here, but she never had in the first place, being able to fly.
 
 
Spaniel
10:53 / 11.08.05
I'm pretty sure she always had the ability to glide, but, more importantly, this stuff actually bothers you? Marvel has a history of playing with people's powers - altering them, adding new ones, etc... As long as the transition's handled with care, who fucking cares.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:17 / 11.08.05
Bendis' new Spider-Woman ongoing series (first he's doing a mini about her, then an ongoing, in addition to her newAvengers appearances) will reconcile all the different various (and often contradictory) info, history and appearances of Jessica Drew. Or so he says.
 
 
This Sunday
15:46 / 11.08.05
For those interested, the last issue of 'Spider-Woman', which was Ann Nocenti's first comics-writing gig (four issues), has our heroine being kidnapped from the shower and imprisoned, breaking loose by taunting a psychic until he knocks the bars off the cells, switching clothes with her enemy and then inviting her to crash at her place, getting dumped by her boyfriend, getting a the lowdown from a magician possessing her ex that Morgan LeFey has been taunting her for reasons of evilness, defeating Morgan by pushing her out a window, returning to find herself dead (her spirit has long hair while her fleshy form is trapped, dead, with a really bad short cut), and ends with her having the magician wipe the memory of her from everyone on earth (essentially erasing her existence), lamenting her position for two panels before deciding, fuck it, the thing to do is walk, hand in hand with a dead magician, up into the air towards the moon.
As far as I know the stuff with her and Kitty Pryde getting kidnapped by the Morlocks might be the next time she appears... which seems odd. There's probably something in between that makes this all work, but I have no idea what.
Simply continuing from where her last issue left off and building from there (a la 'Marvel: The End' to the last 'Thanos' series) would seem a much more interesting route than what we've got.

So, when did the multiple SHIELD Directors come from? Director Fury, Director Dugan, Director Carter... is everyone at SHIELD who has a last name now a Director and how can they all direct the same thing? Beauracracy is action, or...?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:32 / 11.08.05
Sharon Carter was Director for a while; taking over from Fury while he took a break, I think (back when Waid was writing the book and when Bendis wrote his Elektra arc in her monthly title). Dum Dum Dugan just shows up whenever writers want to use him, apparently (he was Director in Grant's alternate Marvel Boy universe, as I recall) and Director Hill is now acting Director because Fury is laid up from the Secret War (which we still don't know what happens when it ends cause the issues are so delayed due to the artist being slow).
 
 
FinderWolf
18:46 / 11.08.05
Jessica Drew was part of the Morlocks storyline with Kitty Pryde? Did I read your post wrong?
 
 
Aertho
19:04 / 11.08.05
Back when Claremont was writing Wolverine, Viper had abducted numerous X-Women and Superhero women and brainwashed them. Jubilee was on the next-to-be-brainwashed list, but she was rescued/captured by an escaped Kitty Pryde. The two girls managed to get to Wolverine and the three battled all the Viper-ed women in the Morlock tunnels I believe.

Those Viper-ed:

Phoenix, Psylocke, Jessica Drew, Yukio, Rogue... I don't recall Storm being involved at all.
 
 
Triplets
20:44 / 11.08.05
Did Wolvie Byrne-choke Phoenix because "he loves Jeanie too damn much" or somesuch?
 
 
Aertho
20:56 / 11.08.05
Byrne-choke?
 
 
Jack Fear
02:51 / 12.08.05
Jessica Drew was part of the Morlocks storyline with Kitty Pryde? Did I read your post wrong?

You're more right than wrong. Spider-Woman guested in issue #148, which was the first appearance of Caliban, and his first attempt to kidnap Kitty.



Although Jessica's in costume on the cover, I seem to remember she was in plain-clothes detective mode in the story itself.

No Morlocks in this issue—they didn't come along until #169 (by which time Jessica had moved onto greener pastures). And I'm pretty sure that Caliban's association with the Morlocks wasn't revealed until #179, when he kidnapped Kitty again...



Such a handsome couple. There's nothing like young love. Young, pedophiliac mutant stalker love.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:02 / 12.08.05
Byrne Choke, also known as the Byrne Lock.

Shows up again and again in his work, always a woman held off the ground by the throat with one hand by a man.
See also: torture of pregnant women, rape as "character development", hispanic women all looking like hookers, Christopher Reeves in hell, John Byrne keeping the mummified corpses of his victims in his basement.
 
 
thirty/thirty
08:27 / 12.08.05
I didn't realize it but yeah, I also remember a few covers featuring "the Byrne Choke". The one that jumps to mind is the cover of X-Men 168 or something where Colosus had turned into Communism Man. On the actual cover he was sporting lovely bright red overalls and a felt cap...oh, and Storm was hanging from his grip.
 
 
rabideyemovement
10:37 / 12.08.05
You mean like this?

He was called the Proletarian, which I believe is Russian for "Strangler of women"...

I also found this piece of Byrne art, which I thought was well done.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:22 / 12.08.05
Back in the insanity of the 90's.

Crazed Punisher shoots and kills Nick Fury. Hulk for some reason involved.

Whatsupwidat? And how'd it get retconned?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:57 / 12.08.05
That 'Byrne-choke' cover with Colossus as Protelariat is not drawn by Byrne, however - that looks like Dave Cockrum to me.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:59 / 12.08.05
In fact, I know it's Cockrum who drew that cover - I have some cover guide to X-Men covers that lists who drew each and Cockrum did that one.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
14:16 / 12.08.05
From Answers.com:

In the 1995 "Over the Edge" crossover, the Punisher is captured and sent to a maximum-security facility with a S.H.I.E.L.D. escort. During a hypnosis session with Doc Samson, Spook interrupts and has the Punisher conditioned to believe that Nick Fury was responsible for his family's murder. He escapes the facility after a Mafia attack and goes after Fury. At the climax of the storyline, the Punisher kills Nick Fury, who was buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

However, in the Fury/Agent 13 two-issue limited series, it is revealed/retconned that the Nick Fury that the Punisher "killed" was a highly-advanced Life Model Decoy designed by Tony Stark (Iron Man), and that Fury was never dead.
 
 
rabideyemovement
15:06 / 12.08.05
Whoops, it is Cockrum. Should've known that. I have this reprint.
 
 
rabideyemovement
15:12 / 12.08.05
When was the last time we've seen Fury use his Infinity Serum. I remember during the 90's, Red Skull, I think, was trying to kill everyone who knew how to manufacture the drug, so he could sell it to Fury himself. Does he still need regular infinity boosters these days?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:07 / 12.08.05
ahh, "Over the Edge" that very forgettable crossover at a time when Marvel was at a real creative low point.

Rabideye, they haven't mentioned Nick Fury's serum in years - I think now they just like to think of him as the wizened old solder who's maybe about 50 years old, thereabouts, and continuity/actual time be damned.

On a side note, Garth Ennis has said that he likes thinking of Frank Castle at about 55-60 years old, that way we don't have to worry about 'Marvel time,' 'comic book aging' or anything of the sort. He likes thinking of Frank as that age, battered and old and brutal, having lived through Vietnam. And he said Marvel backs him up on this (for the time being).
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:20 / 12.08.05
That 'Byrne-choke' cover with Colossus as Protelariat is not drawn by Byrne, however - that looks like Dave Cockrum to me.

It's also officially nto a Byrne choke since it is from behind, and instead of choking it looks more like a nerve pinch.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:31 / 12.08.05
ahh, "Over the Edge" that very forgettable crossover at a time when Marvel was at a real creative low point.

The only good thing that came out of it was the issue of "Hulk" about Nick Fury's funeral, where everyone was making jokes about how many times he'd died, and how long it would be until he came back. I have NO idea how PAD was able to get that story past editorial.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
19:59 / 12.08.05
I've got one: what's the offical explanation now for Magneto still posessing a head after NXM 150?
 
 
Warewullf
22:03 / 12.08.05
It wasn't him.

Seriously.

They haven't said who it was, though...
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:12 / 13.08.05
I think they're implying that headless Magneto was a manifestation of Scarlet Witch's powers.I preferred the explanation that Charlie rescued Mags while psychically forcing everyone to witness his demise. If they're going with the manifestation of Wanda's subconscious, then they really have a lot of detailed explaining to do... You hear me, Bendis??? We need to know which was the real Xorn and when? Was it never Xorn at all? Was Xorn left behind in space? They might have covered this in Austen's X-Men, but I try hard to block those issues out.
 
 
matsya
10:17 / 13.08.05
I wanna see a Byrne Choke gallery...

m.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:45 / 13.08.05
This is all a bit like that Simpsons episode with Xena in it: "Whenever you see a continuity mistake or huge error of logic then just remember: It's crazy Wanda's reality warping powers".
 
 
thirty/thirty
05:19 / 15.08.05
You mean like this?

He was called the Proletarian, which I believe is Russian for "Strangler of women"...


At least now we can't call him a woman-hater...he's got Cyclops in the "Byrne Choke" as well.
 
 
doctorbeck
08:21 / 15.08.05
i liked collossus best when he was the Proletarian, even tho it was a dastardly plot by Arcade it would have been lovely for him to stay in the X-men in that costume, going on about the revolution and Magneto just wanting to replace one set of bosses with another.
 
 
rabideyemovement
10:34 / 15.08.05
I thought Colossus was interesting as the amnesiac artist Peter Nicholas post-Seige-Perilous. He hooked up with Callisto... Eeeeewww!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:19 / 15.08.05
Yeah, but he only sexed her when she was pretty. When she was ugly again he let his crazy brother have her.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:53 / 16.08.05
So, my fine info-monkeys.

Was Shatterstar Longshot's son and where the Dicken's are they, and indeed all of the Mojoverse characters, hiding these days?
 
 
thirty/thirty
08:09 / 17.08.05
Was Shatterstar Longshot's son and where the Dicken's are they, and indeed all of the Mojoverse characters, hiding these days?

Oh, haven't they told you? They've been sent to the place where all products of uninspired writing end up.

A better question is where the fudge is this from?



I could never in a million years fathom a universe where DC and Marvel would be so liberal with their licensing properties. It looks like a Capcom game (Darkstalkers, Street Fighter) and look Lobo and Strong Guy are tag teaming against Wonder Woman and Amazon (Storm amalgamized as Woman Wonder) on Paradise friggin' Island! I would type 'Joycore' with extra exclamation marks but I'm far to reserved.

Can this be true or is this just some sad fanboy hoax?
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:05 / 17.08.05
Doesn't answer my question though, does it.
 
 
Triplets
09:26 / 17.08.05
Todge, I been looking for that game for fucking sega
(ages).

As far as I know it's a fanart project started by artist/players of the original Capcom Vs. series. Looks ace tho.

Where can I find more pics?
 
  

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