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Spaniel

17:46 / 02.08.05

Oooh, ooooooooh, I've got one.
Okay, did Bastion turn out to be Nimrod?

Mr Tricks

18:47 / 02.08.05

yup...

Spaniel

18:55 / 02.08.05

That's that then.

FinderWolf

19:48 / 02.08.05

Too bad the revelation and idea of same seem much cooler here on the thread than it did in the actual comics...

doyoufeelloved

20:25 / 02.08.05

He heard everyone's thoughts and the only way he managed to keep sane was to hook up with a bunch of egotistical wannabes who "broadcasted" just that little bit louder then the rest of the world.

See now, that's kind of a cute idea. Which never came off in the actual comics.

Maybe it's just because I'm a Child Of The 90s, but I always thought the Upstarts were a decent idea poorly executed. Mainly because it was impossible to kill anybody truly impressive.

Warewullf

22:19 / 02.08.05

Just read an old Avengers story where Magneto controlled people by manipulating the flow of the blood to their brain (by using his powers of the iron in their blood) and The Vision controlled someone by merging with them using his phasing powers and merging his brain with theirs.

Did either of them ever use these powers again? These are useful talents!

Aertho

01:25 / 03.08.05

Useful talents?

"Controlling someone" is the trademark of telepathy culture, buddy. Giving that to any creative schmoe invalidates the importance of having at least one psychic per supergroup.

Bastard Tweed

05:52 / 03.08.05

Although it would be nice to see an incident like that that left all of the telepaths completely depreciated.

"Hey guys, you need a powerful telepath on your team?"

"Um, No, we just have people who're creative with their powers. They can do other things too."

"Oh . . . so he can, like, make people do what he wants them to do and everything?"

"Mm-hm. And he can control all magnetic fields."

"Oh, well, I can, um, bend spoons . . ."

"Sorry, no."

Warewullf

11:42 / 03.08.05

Hah! Never thought about it that way.

Sax

14:01 / 03.08.05

How, if at all, did Neil Gaiman's 1602 miniseries fit in to Marvel continuity? I never finished the series.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

14:29 / 03.08.05

basically, the timeline went skewiff, so the 'Marvel Age' was forced by reality to start 400 years early. When the time anomoly was fixed, and the time traveller returned to his correct time (Rohjaz was Captain America), reality righted itself and 1602 universe was wiped out.

EXCEPT the Watcher saved it. The sequel is out soon, by Greg Pak.

rabideyemovement

18:01 / 03.08.05

I picked up the new series today, "1602-- the New World" ... I hadn't even heard of this one yet. The art looks decent. I'm about to give it a read.

rabideyemovement

20:47 / 03.08.05

Whatever happened to the Nate Grey, the X-Man from the Age of Apocalypse? How did his series end? Did he return to that reality? Did he die?

ONLY NICE THINGS

21:35 / 03.08.05

I picked up the new series today, "1602-- the New World" ... I hadn't even heard of this one yet. The art looks decent. I'm about to give it a read.

If anyone can top the mediocrity of 1602, it's Greg Pak..

Nate Grey became the Earth's shaman, on the grounds that Warren Ellis, brought in as script consultant, has about four ideas and keeps reusing them. After the Ellis-driven "Counter-X" failed to improve sales (despite a sort-of-Authority-crossover), Steven Grant killed him off, having him spread his essence over the Earth to prevent everyone on it from being "harvested" by aliens who apparently seeded humanity on Earth many years ago (but not the Celestials. Different aliens who etc). It was, frankly, undignified. He had at that point also shaved his head, got tattoos and put on a fair bit of weight.

rabideyemovement

23:22 / 03.08.05

Thanks Haus. By the way, Greg Pak does a commendable job with sweeping up the 1602 mess. Not sure about the colonial age dinos, but it was a really enjoyable read.

The Falcon

23:58 / 03.08.05

The only other notable thing about 1602, apart from it being subject of my last and most ridiculous hissy-fit, is that the future Rohjaz came from was one in which the Purple Man was president, and had presumably enslaved the world.

Sax

06:33 / 04.08.05

Who would have predicted thirty years ago that we would ever have a purple man in the White House?

The Falcon

14:49 / 04.08.05

Thing was, Kubert drew him looking a leetle like GWB, and everyone was all 'ohh, political commentary (that's outrageous!)'

But he wasn't meant to.

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:51 / 04.08.05

What, did Gaiman tell him off afterwards?

rabideyemovement

14:51 / 04.08.05

All Kubert's faces look like George W.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

08:32 / 05.08.05

If anyone can top the mediocrity of 1602, it's Greg Pak...

That's pretty unfair - Pak's been dealt a rotten deck in terms of published projects (Endsong, That One For The Game That Isn't Going To Be As Good As Marvel vs Capcom and now 1602) but he's executed them with class. If they let him have his own ongoing I'd bet money he'd be superb at it.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention! Y'know that new series with the big Spidey Mech? It's been done before.

The Falcon

11:47 / 05.08.05

Is Iron Man: house of M any good then?

I'm not privy to any conversations between Neil G and Andy K, but it was said in an interview with teh former that it wasn't supposed to look like that inna script.

FinderWolf

12:11 / 05.08.05

None of the tie-in House of M books are good, the main House of M book is mediocre at best (nice art there, though, by Copiel). Maybe the main HoM book will start getting good once stuff actually starts happening, we're just at the point where the characters realize their reality isn't quite right and they're about to do something to fix it. Then again, if you liked Age of Apocalypse, you might like House of M; it's kind of the same thing so far.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

12:28 / 05.08.05

Yes, I'm really enjoying the post-apocolyptic world of House of M, with it's breeding pens and big firey bad guys and stuff.

In short: huh?

doyoufeelloved

13:10 / 05.08.05

If they let him have his own ongoing I'd bet money he'd be superb at it.

They tried -- just before he did ENDSONG (which, to be fair, raised his profile a little bit), he attempted a revamp of WARLOCK (the orange-skinned cosmic one). I read the first issue online (Marvel actually put the whole thing up!), it was imaginative and kind of clever, if not brilliantly executed, but it bore very little resemblance to the (IMHO, kinda stupid) original. Sales were disastrous -- calamitous, even -- and I'm not sure how many issues they even bothered to publish. Maybe three, maybe four.

FinderWolf

13:14 / 05.08.05

I mean HoM is similar to Age of Apoc. in that suddenly the world is rebooted, we get an Elseworlds/alterate version of all the characters for a month or so, then the characters realize this is not their world, they take steps to get things back to normal, and the world is restored with maybe a few slight changes to the status quo.

This formula can also be applied to 1602. Also Heroes Reborn (back when the Image crew took over the FF and Avengers for a time period). Just add water and presto, big crossover event.

The Falcon

13:58 / 05.08.05

Is Greg Pak not writing IM:HoM?

rabideyemovement

15:07 / 05.08.05

If he is, it's very boring. I hope Iron Man can tie into the other House of M titles in some way, because I don't care very much for the Mech-Gladiator storyline.

Uatu.is.watching

15:48 / 05.08.05

Warlock was a mini-series. It was actually quite good. Not great, but enough to make me wish Pak would get a better regular gig.

Jack Fear

19:59 / 05.08.05

Andy Kubert's performance drawing Gaiman's script for the 1602 mini makes me wonder if he has a learning disability or something. I mean, Gaiman requested that in one scene the Daredevil analogue be drawn with the classic radar-sense concentric circles around his head...

...and Kubert drew a sort of stream of overlapping circles of different sizes, making the character look as if he were blowing bubbles.

Which makes me think that Andy Kubert (a) doesn't know what the word "concentric" means, (b) is completely unfamiliar with the character Daredevil, (c) didn't know that the cunningly-named "Murtaugh" was meant to be Daredevil, or (d) was kicked in the brain repeatedly as a a child.

iamus

21:58 / 05.08.05

Not sure if this has been asked already, it's a biiiiig thread.

How did Onslaught end? I got as far as the revelation of Onslaught being an after-effect of Xavier shutting down Magneto's mind (and also Magneto turning up with amnesia in a Spanish Convent/orphanage) but that's the last time I read X-men before the Morrison trades. I seem to remember Onslaught having some interest in the fantastic four's kid? In what ways did it CHANGE THE MARVEL UNIVERSE FOR A MONTH OR TWO?

Tamayyurt

04:22 / 06.08.05

It ended with most nonmutant heroes leaping into onslaught to kill him. It couldn't be any mutants cause The 'slaught would absorb their powers and become stronger. So the Avengers and the Fantastic Four dove in. They were saved by the Richard's child when he transported them into his blue ball, where he created a very Image-like pocket universe for them to live. This is when the whole Heroes Reborn thing happened (and when I stopped reading Marvel Comics for a while.)

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

02:00 / 08.08.05

Is Iron Man: house of M any good?

No.

No it isn't.

It's not the deep hurting that was the Iron Man before the whole Onslaught thing, but it's close. So close that I'm having flashbacks to "Teen Iron Man."

This Sunday

05:23 / 11.08.05

I will say that the Onslaught thing corrected a fair amount of little things that were either silly (orange insecto-Janet-van-Dyne), idiotic (teen Tony the Iron Boy), easily forgettable and rarely referenced (Hawkeye's hearing aids - course, now he has the lip-scar nobody ever remembers and he's dead and in House of Monkey 1002 Who Wrote Hamlet in Another Reality), or simply not the 'classic' character (Johnny Storm's development towards responsibility and adulthood - and his Skrull wife of whom I was apparently the only fan), and so worked as a non-retcon retcon wave. It was really stupid that it was Magneto-seed in Charlie X, though.

And, now, the next question is: How was the end of the 'Spider-Woman' series of the early eighties reconciled? Her Ann Nocenti-written death and erasure? Which, again, I am apparently the only fan of. Did she just start showing up in X-Men with no explanation, or did I miss something?

matsya

05:50 / 11.08.05

Hey, always a fan of Ann Nocenti. Didn't realise 'twas she who wrote some SpiderWoman. How did that series end, Daytripper?

From what I vaguely remember, Jessica Drew showed up in the first few issues of Wolverine's solo series as some kind of PI lady and her powers were starting to come back. Not very helpful, I know.

m.

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