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14:55 / 04.01.05

from this week's Lying in the Gutters - Marvel will have a CRISIS of their own, sort of:

>> There are already rumours groaning about his next big project, Bendis' "House Of M," the rival to DC's Crisis II. In which, Lying In The Gutters is told that Magneto, fearing that Emma Frost will have his dear Scarlet Witch murdered, has her daughter remake the Marvel Universe in his ideal "image" - mutants as homo superior exerting their control over the homo sapiens. Supposed to run for a couple of months, before Wolverine, of course, realizes things are not as they should be, and tips the other key characters, Cap, Spider-Man, DD, etc to make things right. Very Age-Of_Apocalypsy. Marvel's using the stunt to fix any and all continuity gaffes through their history as well. Their version of Alan Moore's "Fluke" from the Twilight proposal.

(back to Hunterwolf) I hear that the Bendis-written project will be drawn by Oliver Copiel. Preview pages of House of M were recently in that Marvel Young Guns art sampler book.

06:40 / 11.01.05

I have a theory on Sinister (I refuse to put a mister in front of his name because it makes him sound stupid) and his involvement in the arranged marriage of Cyclops and Phoenix. Your opinions would be appreciated and your snide, sarcastic comments would be appreciated but not as much:

In the x-men there are two warring factions of mutants...those who subscribe to Xavier's school of thought and those who believe in Magneto's tenets. Magneto's gift is control over magnetism and Xavier is an insanely powerful telepath. There are two mutants who have the exact same powers as these two leaders...Polaris has all of Magneto's talents and Jean Grey is a telepath in the same caliber as Xavier (her telekinesis was developed by Xavier during the period in which he had suppressed her ability to read minds). Polaris had an insane clone who tried to kill her, where Jean on the other hand had an insane clone who tried to kill her. Both women have been "possessed" by an external force and driven to do things they later regretted. Polaris and Alex Summers have been joined at the hip since the day they met, as is also the case with Jean Grey and the other Summers brother, Scott. If you were Sinister and the time had rolled round for your creations...the Summers brothers, to mate and to perpetuate the blood line you established nine decades ago, would it not be a good idea to acquire the DNA of the two most powerful mutants and to ensure that whichever way the war between Xavier and Magneto goes, that your genetic playthings would be covered. Zaladane and Madelyne Pryor could have been failed attempts at creating such brides?

As a student of eugenics, Sinister would never have allowed Scott or Alex to throw away decades of work on his part, by simply shacking up with the first piece if ass they found in a bar. Sinister would need to keep a tight leash on the Summers lineage if he had any hopes of procuring a genetically superior offspring.

Also, why are the X-Men, actually called "The Children of the Atom" and was it Stan Lee who coined that line...it sorta reeks of his cheese-platter sensibilities.

12:39 / 11.01.05

'cuz they're different on a deep atomic, genetic level, maaan - and a side meaning is they came out in the atomic age...mutants caused by humans tinkering with splitting the atom? Just like more UFOs started showing up once we exploded a few atom bombs...? Massive Marvel Universe expose to follow...

But I like the tagline "Children of the Atom," sounds appropriately dramatic/cheesy/superhero-y to me.

12:55 / 11.01.05

Well, consider: Parental exposure to radiation can, of course, cause mutations in offspring. THE X-MEN debuted in 1963, and its characters were in their late teens—so they had been born (in original continuity) in 1944-1945—right around the time of the first atomic tests.

There was an implication, never really explored, that an increase in background radiation levels post-Hiroshima was causing a dramatic upsurge in mutations, and that the original X-Men were the crest of the first wave—and that every post-nuclear generation would include a higher percentage of mutants than the one before.

That seems to have been borne out by the history of Marvel Comics post-X-MEN: everybody and their goddam uncle is a mutant, these days.

06:54 / 17.01.05

Yeah, it's just a pity that the only uncanny traits the post-Hiroshima mutants exhibited were melted wax-doll faces and newborns without hands and fingers. No mutants with the ability generate disco lightshows to accompany disco dance hits, unfortunately. While we’re on the topic, how many people were massacred by those Weapons of Mass Destruction again...I forget? I hope the Japanese at least retaliated and sent a group of soldiers to hunt down then President Whatever and subsequently toppled all statues showing his likeness. But I digress.

I like Mister Sinister a lot. If only Grant Morrison had been able to put the New X-men before his own enflamed and engorged ego, he could have re-invented Mister Sinister, instead of wasting time with that lackluster Sublime, a character which will most likely never be used by another good writer again.

Jean Grey as the Bride Of Frankenstein...sounds good. It’s all about symmetry at the end of the day.

11:56 / 17.01.05

Isn't The Beast's mutation directly attributed to nuclear radiation? Last origin I read said his father (or both parent's) were exposed to radiation and this caused their baby boy to be born with disproportionately large hands and feet.

12:00 / 17.01.05

yes, and the ever culturally-sensitive claremont (or was it wein? not apologising for the slag anyway) gave second-gen x-dude sunfire 'nuclear fire powers' because his mum lived near hiroshima.

Spyder Todd 2008

15:55 / 18.01.05

The short answer on the Ultimate universe thing: In Paradise X, it's revealed that all the multiple universes out there were caused by (the being that thought he was)Mephisto's time manipulations (which he created to avoid divine judgment from god by traveling backwards and forewords in time and such). Every time anyone in the Marvel Universe time travels, they actually create a new universe. The farther a universe is from the original one, meaning the more time travel incidents that have led up to the creation of that universe, the slower time moves in it. In the original Marvel Universe, Reed Richards fought in WW2. In others, Vietnam, and others, he never fought at all. The Ultimate universe is so far from the original one that events like the formation of the Fantastic 4 have just now happened, rather than years ago. This also explains why Peter Parker has been 15 for 4 years now. And yes, that's the SHORT answer.

Oh, and I love the Sinister ideas. Great character. But like so many others, always poorly executed in the past.

16:23 / 18.01.05

I like Mister Sinister a lot. If only Grant Morrison had been able to put the New X-men before his own enflamed and engorged ego, he could have re-invented Mister Sinister, instead of wasting time with that lackluster Sublime, a character which will most likely never be used by another good writer again.

Sublime was fucking brilliant. Sublime is the in-universe embodiment of the stagnation of the X-Men franchise.

Haus of Mystery

19:25 / 24.01.05

OK. Having recently been digging Ennis' Punisher (especially 'Born' and 'The End' - a fucking superb comic that may have slipped under some people's radar) and whilst re-reading 'welcome back Frank' I noticed a reference to him no longer being the 'Angel of Death'. So far , so so. But then I remembered reading somewhere that John Byrne (HERO) had revamped the character to actually be the Angel of Death. Please, someone, tell me what the story is? Can this possibly true? Could Byrne be THAT much of a fucking tool? Info please.

20:05 / 24.01.05

Oh yeah. Back when the Punisher was killed off (late 90's?) he was brought back as some sort of demon-fighting angel. He has a glowing sigil on his forehead and could pull from the folds of his overcoat "the armoury of heaven". I.e. a variey of BFG's.

Not sure what happened to change that. I think it was just ignored after the series flopped and was relaunched.

20:50 / 24.01.05

First off, Byrne didn't do that angel/demon thing to the punisher, Jimmy Paliotti and Bernie Wrightson did, as I recall. Byrne was never involved with HERO, not sure what you meant with saying "Byrne (HERO)"....

It was a 4-issue mini that failed miserable. In Ennis' first Punisher Marvel Knights issue, the one that began his comeback (Ennis' and the Punisher's), there is one line of narration/dialogue from Frank Castle that vaguely (and mockingly) alludes to that ill-fated mini. It's funny and dismissive, can't remember exactly what the line is...something like "Whatever the hell all THAT nonsense was..."

I have to hand it to Ellis, he has single-handledly made the Punisher interesting and relevant again over the past 4 years. 60% of his Punisher stories (on the average) have been excellent. And he's explored a lot of different facets and styles with the character. Kudos to Ellis. He really gets the Punisher, and this is coming from me, a fan who thought the Punisher was all used up and there were no more interesting Punisher stories to tell back in the late 80s.

Sean the frumious Bandersnatch

22:36 / 24.01.05

I'm not trying to be condecending, and I'm pretty sure that it's just a typo, and I've made the same mistake myself, but...

Ennis. You mean Ennis, not Ellis.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

07:47 / 25.01.05

'Angel' Punisher also appeared in a 4 issue mini with Wolverine, drawn by Pat (Transformers) Lee. As you say, this chapter was closed off with one flippant line in the first Ennis issue. Which was for the best.

Haus of Mystery

10:31 / 25.01.05

Wolfie, the reason I put HERO after Byrne's name is cos of Fanboyrampage.com. Go and have a look - it's good. Thanks for clearing up the Punisher stuff. Just want to restate that if anybody didn't read 'The End' PLEASE go and do so. The best Ennis book since Hellblazer.

13:44 / 25.01.05

>> I'm not trying to be condecending, and I'm pretty sure that it's just a typo, and I've made the same mistake myself, but...

Thankfully, it was a mindless typo... my sanity is still intact (I think).

Our Lady Has Left the Building

14:26 / 25.01.05

Wasn't the Punisher supposed to be resurrected by Ghost Rider or whatever the force that powers Ghost Rider (spirit of vengeance?)?

16:56 / 26.01.05

In other Ghost Rider news, Garth Ennis himself (see, I got it right this time

) is about to write a Ghost Rider mini, as Marvel prepares to have new Ghost Rider product for the upcoming movie starring Nicholas Cage.

I think an Ennis-written Ghost Rider might be fun.

18:24 / 26.01.05

hmm, any word on when that comes out. BTW, can anyone explain how (if they did) Marvel reconsiled the Original Johnny Blaze Ghostrider, with that Newer 90's version?

lonely as a cloud...

07:48 / 02.03.05

Just wondering... can anybody tell me who the "Hank McCoy" wandering around Genosha with Xavier and Maggie (in Excalibur, if anybody else here is reading it) is, and where did he come from?

13:17 / 02.03.05

"Dark" Beast. Henry McCoy. AoA castoff.

Somebody in editorial thouht it was cool to have some AoA characters besides Nate Grey slip into the mainstream universe. Dark Beast was an evil genius who had slipped into 616 in the past(thirty/twenty years ago) -resulting many retro-continuities. Emma Frost and Callisto both being figures in his "secret" past.

14:23 / 02.03.05

The new Ghost Rider is the biological brother of the original. Becoming GR is a curse associated with their family (although the two Ghost Riders were actually different spirits.)

It got pretty complicated under Howard "I never saw a plot I couldn't complicate" Mackie, although Ivan Velez tried his best to clear it up.

Then Mackie decided to retcon it away in an issue of Spider-Man, and Devin Grayson proceeded to ignore ALL of the previous series.

I'm not entirely sure where things stand at the moment. There may actually be two Ghost Riders running around.

15:37 / 02.03.05

IIRC, Dark Beast was also responsible for the vreation of the Morlocks, or somesuch.

And the 90's Ghost Rider "did battle" with Zarathos, the 70's demon GR, expunging him back to hell.

What total crap characters. The 70s "Ghost-Rider-motorcycle-hero-in-a-blue-jumpsuit" was indeed the shit, in retrospect. Thank god my grandpa snuck in some of those comics with the Gold Key stuff when I was 8. That title was pure badass horror.

13:45 / 04.03.05

these are brilliant.

what comes to mind when you think 'magneto'? that's right: 'possibilities'

the winner though, is the following insight into the big factor in the punisher's psychic make-up: 'commitment'

13:51 / 04.03.05

got that link from here http://superfrankenstein.blogspot.com/, excellent comics editor and 'always tries very hard' comics writer.

there is a picture of Greg Evigan up there at the mo which I thought might be of particular interest to some hereabouts.

13:53 / 04.03.05

'tom peyer's blog' the first paragraph of that last one should finish. soz.

14:21 / 04.03.05

They've "discontinued" the Punisher line. What did it say?

They are horrible, even the art is crap.

rabideyemovement

14:53 / 04.03.05

Wasn't there an original Ghost Rider from Marvel's wild west days? Think he dressed in white with a mask and rode a horse, with Zarathos trapped in some amulet...

15:52 / 04.03.05

Punisher poster should have said

SUCCESS

Sometimes it means killing a lot of people.

(also very Sin City)

16:39 / 04.03.05

Punisher and success? What a bad pairing, a man who can't even throw a family picinic or retain a friendship for. And how much does he ern a year, I ask you?

I think I stopped liking the Punisher when he shot that dog at the end of his first decent mini-series.

18:29 / 04.03.05

There was another Ghost Rider (in Marvel's Old West) but there was no connection to Zarathos. He just wore a costume that glowed in the dark.

http://www.geocities.com/ratmmjess/phantom.html

18:32 / 04.03.05

Oh...there is a modern day "Phantom Rider" who does have mystical powers, but he still doesn't have any connection to Zarathos et al.

rabideyemovement

03:08 / 05.03.05

Okay, I just read some on the Ghost Rider/Phantom Rider. Apparently in the seventies, they brought him back as the Night Rider... thought that was funny.

13:10 / 05.03.05

Good God, who cares about the trivia when there's that link to go to? Fuckeye, Gamby, that's some nasty shit.

The Punisher - commitment?!!!?? How fucked up is that?

And to think, there are actually people out there with that thing above their desks. Jesus, motivational posters are foul, foul, foul at the best of times. Incredibly, they've just got worse.

And, yeah, the art is horrid.

18:44 / 05.03.05

Whatever happened to the Maggia? Marvel's supervillain equivalent to La Cosa Nostra, but led by guys with metal skulls and gals with metal faces, with family names like 'Nefaria' and 'Silvermane'?

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