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Aertho
14:29 / 29.08.05
(Finder: This is the Surgery thread. Just tell us.)
 
 
FinderWolf
15:11 / 29.08.05
Comedy having been achieved, I will continue.

Rick Jones is the until-now-mysterious benefactor of Excelsior, the support group/superteam made up of former C-list teen heroes who want to do something constructive with their lives and who have all been feeling a bit lost. BKV was teasing us for a while that perhaps this benefactor might have been an eeeevil bad guy manipulating the team, but it's our ever-lovin' Rick Jones. Julie Power didn't recognize him, showing just how young she is. (I picture Rick Jones' music success period being mid-to-late 70s to early-80s, somehow...)

Expect an "I'm Rick Jones, bitch" joke in the near future in the pages of Runaways...
 
 
Shrug
15:21 / 29.08.05
What happened to his command of the Destiny Force?
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
21:37 / 29.08.05
Has Fantomex been used since the end of NXM? I just reread Morrison's run, and it struck me that he was "kewl" enough for some Marvel hack to throw him in a book?

So, did they use him? Much? Well?
 
 
Shrug
21:56 / 29.08.05
In the later stages of Frank Tieri's Weapon X run sans Eva for the most part and without any of the remotely compelling specific interest trait that Morrison endowed him with.
Also along side Agent Zero who was basically a Fantomex analog.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
23:06 / 29.08.05
So, he was used, but not much, and not well?

I'm not shocked, considering Morrison's characters' track record, but I figured Fantomex had legitimate mainstream appeal. Cool coat, cool mask, cool powers, kills people. There are so damn many X-Books with so many bad writers, you'd think someone would pounce on him.

That very well may be a good thing, though.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
23:54 / 29.08.05
What about Cassandra/Ernst?
 
 
matsya
03:32 / 30.08.05
Re: Machine Man and 2001: A Space Oddyessy, yes, indeed, he did come out of that weird likkle KirbyKomik.

There's a good funny overview of the comic here.

And Machine Man is due an appearance in Warren Ellis's forthcoming Nextwave comic, alongside Captain Marvel (the lady who turns into light), Boom-Boom (an old New Mutant with splodey powers), the grand-daughter of monster-hunter Ulysses Bloodstone, and some guy called The Captain whose shtick is that every forgotten Marvel hero with the word "Captain" in their name was actually him in a different costume.

m.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:47 / 30.08.05
This Ellis title sounds like it could be fun, but I'm not sure about the "Captain" joke - sounds like a groaner joke to me.

>> What happened to his [Rick Jones'] command of the Destiny Force?

The what now?
 
 
Shrug
17:53 / 30.08.05
Finder: He acquired command of the Destiny force at some point, it was the whole premise of Avengers Forever and the Destiny Wars. It ended with him merging with Genis Mar-vell's son. Apart from that I do not know. Info? Anyone?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:19 / 30.08.05
But... but what the tits is the Destiny Force? Is it just thhe force of the bloke with the stars in? What, for that matter, was Avengers Forever?
 
 
Shrug
18:39 / 30.08.05
The Destiny Force was a pretty vague but powerful psionic and time related ability which the Supreme Intelligence activated in Rick during the Kree-Skrull War. The premise of Avengers Forever involved the Time Keepers and Immortus attempts to murder Rick before his control of the Destiny Force became too great thereby saving the future from a resultant apocalypse.
At the end of AF Rick bonded with Genis, presumably timeline wise this lead onto the more recent Captain Marvel comics written by Peter David. There was some mention of cosmic awareness in these books but no specific mention of the Destiny Force per se. I also understand, perhaps incorrectly, that they are completely separate abilities.
This leads me back to my original question has there been any further mention of it (The Destiny Force)?
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:59 / 30.08.05
I always understood the Destiny Force to be a latented potental in every human. It was the Kree Intelligence that activated that untapped potental. Aside from those occurances involving the Kree dude the destiny force would remain an untapped pool of potentail power that humanity may access sometime in the distant future.

Rick Jones was special in having access to it. It was the situation were in he was the only base-line human available for the Kree Intelligence to "evolve." Everyone else being some sort of meta-human or super soldier type.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:49 / 31.08.05
Would that be related to the Earth X explanation of his subconscious ability to recruit and empower the destinies of the heroes around him? Hulk, Avengers, Captain America, Mar-vell.... That would make alot of sense for something called the "Destiny Force".
 
 
Shrug
20:39 / 31.08.05
Mmmmyeah possibly even though I haven't read it. In Avenger Forever Rick pulls seven(?) Avengers from both past and future to aid him too.
Thanks.
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:03 / 01.09.05
I liked it when Rick had a talk show- "Keeping Up With The Joneses"- he wanted Wolverine and Harlan Ellison ("short and scrappy night, it'll be great!") and The Foolkiller and Newt Gingrich ("let nature take its course.").
 
 
rabideyemovement
15:18 / 01.09.05
Whatever happened to Madelyne Pryor. I can't remember seeing her after Inferno except in that terrible Mutant X series, which was an alternate universe anyway. Is she still alive in the Marvel U?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:49 / 01.09.05
ooh, good question. I have no idea on this one. Anyone...?
 
 
Quimper
17:04 / 01.09.05
I know that X-Man willed her back into existence using his vast psychic powers. From there, I can offer no more.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:20 / 01.09.05
After he death in the inferno thing X-Man created a version of her that was little more than a thought projection which housed the remnants of her consciousness. I believe he disperse her at some point.
 
 
Shrug
17:23 / 01.09.05
But that was revealed to be an evil alternate Jean Grey called "Queen Jean".

Because it's all too confusing to explain linky provided
 
 
FinderWolf
18:43 / 01.09.05
Even more funny is the 'costume gallery' at that link.
 
 
quinine92001
04:38 / 02.09.05
Ghost Rider-Incarnations-Wasn't there a wild west one? Danny Ketch Johnny Blaze-explain....
 
 
rabideyemovement
08:08 / 02.09.05
We covered that on page 13 if you want to read it... In the 50's Magazine Publishing put out Ghost Rider, a western comic about a glow in the dark cowboy. In the 70's he was revived as "Night Rider" and shortly thereafter revamped into a cool-headed biker named Johnny Blaze.
 
 
A
05:42 / 03.09.05
I love those Marvel names like "Johnny Blaze" and "Johnny Storm". All their characters should have names like that. "Johnny Telepath", "Johnny X-Ray", "Johnny Stretch", "Johnny Talkstoinsects".

The Sub-Mariner's real name should be Billy Ocean.
 
 
Mario
20:26 / 03.09.05
Ghost Rider:

In the beginning, there was the Ghost Rider, a cowboy in a glow-in-the-dark costume in the old west.

Then there was Ghost Rider, aka Johnny Blaze, a stunt biker who made a bad deal with the devil, and cursed with the ability to transform into a guy with a flaming skull for a head. He putzed around a few years in the 1970's (during which the cowboy was renamed first Night Rider, then Phantom Rider). Eventually he was cured of his curse.

Fast-forward to the 1990's. Howard Mackie creates a new Ghost Rider, Danny Ketch, who's initially unrelated to the Blaze version. For about six years, he putzes around dropping hints about the character's true origin, along the way bringing back Johnny Blaze as a scruffier and grimmer character with a shotgun and a trenchcoat (who also happens to be Danny's long-lost brother!).

He's replaced by Ivan Velez, who comes up with a slightly confusing origin involving Danny's ancestor, a witch's curse, and the least angelic-looking angel I've ever seen. Then, he gets canceled, and Mackie invalidates the entire arc in an issue of Spider-Man.

Couple of years ago, Devin Grayson writes a miniseries with the Blaze version, managing to not only ignore the 90's GR entirely, but also the end of the original version. Ugly book, ugly art.

In any case, Garth Ennis is doing his own take on the Blaze version, starting next week, one as faithful to continuity as Straczynski's STRANGE mini, Ellis' IRON MAN, or the Hudlin BLACK PANTHER.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:04 / 04.09.05
Just out of curiosity, seeing as I'm kind of a Marvel n00b:
What's the deal with Magneto destroying New York? Yeah, I know he was a robot/possessed/Xorn or something but what happened to Spidey, Daredevil, Punisher, the Avengers et al.? How complete was the destruction? A major metropolis like New York would take decades to rebuild, so why does it look like nothing happened in more recent comics?
Apologies if this has already been covered.
 
 
This Sunday
21:24 / 04.09.05
A major city on our planet would take a while to rebuild, yes. A major city in the Marvel Universe would take as long to rebuild as Quicksilver can run, Polaris and a dozen telekinetics can mental up some motion, the strong ones can lift and smoosh together, and Spider-Man can stand around making jokes and stealing people's coffee and pastries when they aren't paying attention.
Over in the DCU, three heroes can rebuild the JLA moonbase in about four seconds.
And they don't have Damage Control, unlike the Marvel Earth. Or the combined illogic powers of Austen and Claremont, reshaping reality until Magneto is nolonger a Xornvestite paranoid on sentient drugs ignoring his jailbait telepath keeper, but a Chinese whiteman brother of the blackhole-headed healing sister of unlikelihood. Nor is he Joseph, who was in fact Gambit, Summers Brother the Third, ex-concubine of the Phoenix who is Jean Grey unless it's not.
 
 
Warewullf
21:28 / 04.09.05
Post Of The Week, folks.
 
 
Aertho
21:29 / 04.09.05
It was said by Barnell in 149 that Magneto placed phonecalls to tip off NYC superheroes that there was a terrorist bombing OFF the Manhatan island. When he found that they'd all left, Bang goes the island. I doubt there was little that Daredevil and Black Cat could do against mass electromagnetic chaos. Also: there was a forcefield around the island preventing the Avengers, et al from getting back in.

It was up to the SuperSentinels and Phoenix to breach the field and take care of business.

The rebuilding took place in the last issue of X-Treme X-Men. With mass mutant and superhero help, NYC was rebuilt quickly. You'd think THAT effort would've changed public sentiment about the mutant population, but in Marvel U, they hate and fear.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:51 / 04.09.05
All good points, tah for that.
 
 
thirty/thirty
07:11 / 05.09.05
What about Cassandra/Ernst?

Speaking of the once and future Missus X...has anyone figured out what she's doing hunched over in a dreary, Genoshan sellar on...




SPOILER, I suppose.




the last page of 12th issue of Astonishing X-Men? The last time I checked she was still waddling around in diapers, sporting bangs. And why are all of Emma's secret shadow buddies wearing the same outfits they wore when they were first introduced. Does Frost have a brain tumor just like the one that guy from Ally McBeal had...the kind that makes you see ludicrously fantastical delusions? And for heaven's sake why is Jean wearing that depressing cloak? You can't even see her lovely face in that thing...oh, I see.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
10:27 / 05.09.05
The answer is that Joss Wedon is paid too much money. And goes shit.
 
 
The Falcon
10:29 / 05.09.05
Never mind Jean, what the fuck is throwaway dead character Negasonic Teenage Warhead (1st appearance: NXM 115, died: NXM 116) doing there?

Actually, the tumour (of Guilt) makes sense in that case. Or is it Whedon's 'From the Ashes' redux? I keep thinking Mastermind is the figure behind it all - but there's a Lady Mastermind, too, eh? Does he yet live?

Other rumours on cloaked personage: Sage, Maddy Pryor. given it's the HF Club, could be Selene, too. I'm thinking we're missing a White King given there's a foursome - Magneto used to do that.

I'm curious, but I dunno if I'm curious enough to buy Year Two.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
10:37 / 05.09.05
The cloaked figure relates to House of M, I think. Wedon was given the task of setting up the x-end of it.

He promptly fucked that up by not establishing what the fuck's going on with Magneto and who knows he's alive, so uhm.

Rumours are spreading of a Marvel answer to Infinite Crisis in 2006-7 with current goings on setting it up. The possibility remains that Spider-Woman's working for the Hellfire Retcon Dracula X Suicide Club too - I think it was hinted at in an an interview with Bendis, but I'll be shagged if I'm going to dig it up

God, that was such a shit Retcon Wedon pulled. I bet they're all Xorn's fucking brothers too - Brown Holes?
 
  

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