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Final Crisis

 
  

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Mario
09:39 / 15.08.08
More like the Outer Church, no? With Barbelith as the vaccine.

Which may suggest how Grant is going to resolve this...
 
 
Quantum
09:56 / 15.08.08
Um... I was thinking more that some posts let miserable, hateful, sub-human thoughts into my head that leave me a miserable, embittered husk.
With Beer as the vaccine.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:16 / 15.08.08
Some ALE, perhaps?
 
 
murphy
16:55 / 15.08.08
When did Frankenstein make it back from the far-future?

The last time I saw him, he was piloting Castle Revolving into Sheeda-ville while Klarion controlled him with the witchbrand.
 
 
Mario
21:23 / 15.08.08
It's highly likely Klarion simply got bored with being King of the Sheeda and left, giving Frankie the chance to escape. Indeed, Grant suggested at one point that Klarion could have gone atraight from his Seven Soldiers appearances to his first appearance way back in Kirby's DEMON.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:41 / 15.08.08
There's a certain elegance to that idea, and it really makes me slobber at the thought of that DEMON omnibus coming out.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:30 / 16.08.08
murphy When did Frankenstein make it back from the far-future?

Well, might as well ask how he got from Earth to Mars for issue 2, then back to Earth again for issue 3 of his miniseries.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:34 / 16.08.08
Erdel Gate!

Meanwhile, I totally love Klarion dumping Frank 'round about the year 2008 (as one would toss a used wad of gum from one's car window on the highway) on his way back to meet Etrigan. Little scamp, always with the saucy time-travel.
 
 
Evil Scientist
15:10 / 17.08.08
The last time I saw him, he was piloting Castle Revolving into Sheeda-ville while Klarion controlled him with the witchbrand.

He was present for the Battle of Metropolis during Infinite Crisis I believe. Which would mean he's been back for a least a couple of years.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
15:50 / 18.08.08
Assuming Frankie came back with Klarion to round about the time of the latters debut in The Demon, it's possible there have been two Frankies existing at once since then, having the occasional team up or limb swap.
 
 
Mario
16:28 / 18.08.08
It's equally likely Klarion simply left him behind, and he made his own way back. Possibly by removing someone else's limbs
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:40 / 18.08.08
it's possible there have been two Frankies existing at once since then

Captain Frankenstein Harkness?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:10 / 20.08.08
Is it wrong that I enjoyed the first chapter of Geoff Johns's Legion of Three Worlds tie-in? I mean, GEOFF!JOHNS! is a bit of a nostalgia-warped fanboy mutant, but it was a pretty fun story, fast-paced, had good great Perez art...
 
 
Mark Parsons
05:32 / 21.08.08
Johns has done a lot of first rate work IMO. Flash, Green Lantern, JSA, Action, etc. I've come to see him as Paul to GM's John. Not as edgy or out there, but a great creative force all the same. (I look FWD to his runs on DOOM PATROL (heresy, I know) and AQUAMAN, which seem like they are on his horizon somewhere.

And no, I don't know who Heather Mills is in this daft, perhaps I should think b4 I post when tired equation..
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
14:46 / 21.08.08
Would that make Mark Waid George and Mark Millar Ringo?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:54 / 27.08.08
FINAL CRISIS TIE-IN ACTION! SUPERMAN BEYOND!

(spoilers!)











































As if entirely aware of my desperate, junkie-like cravings for some Morrison/Quitely All-Star Superman action-- coming out, one hopes, next week? -- as if aware, the universe spat up the Final Crisis tie-in SUPERMAN BEYOND, which was hilarious and almost seems like more what I was hoping for with Final Crisis itself in terms of tone. It's not perfect by any stretch, particularly because I'm so unbelievably bored with meta-fiction of particular styles in my comics right now, as exemplified by the trip to Limbo with the forgotten characters. Luckily we're not treated to too much of the Limbo stuff but it was a very near thing. The King of Limbo was a surprise, but... I think it may be that this particular ship feels like it sailed with Animal Man and it's weird to go back to that well.

Still, the "proper" Captain Marvel having words with Ultraman, Ubermensch/Overman's encounter...the snapshots of worlds they pass through (Earth-20! Was that Ralph Dibney in the helmet of Fate and maybe Sue Dibney as a Blackhawk?). The "Quantum Superman" being a halfway point between current issue Captain Atom, original Charlton Captain Atom, and Doctor Manhattan(!). There was lots of fun bits, it all boils down to a "Superhero crossing galaxies and spacetime just to save his love interest" Flex Mentastic story, and Doug Mahnke's artwork was seedy and gritty and gross and cool. Why these two are doing an ongoing FRANKENSTEIN! series I just. Don't. Know.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:08 / 27.08.08
(I also love, I admit it, that one of the Earths includes Marvel-lite heroes fighting Durlan Invaders--one of whom is disguised as a faux-Iron Man.)
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:24 / 28.08.08
3-D shit was not all that impressive, although some of the dimensional stuff worked fairly well. I'm thinking of the stuff that was clearly about making an element pop off the page instead of the stuff that was about trying to make faces and people look dimensional.

Liked the Yellow Submarine, though.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:29 / 28.08.08
I didn't really bother with the 3-D glasses, just because I like being out and about reading comics, and don't need to have stupid cardboard three-dee glasses on my face.

I'm curious about whether or not Clark remembers the Anti-Monitor, actually, and can maybe connect the presumed dots to Mandrakk.

(also, Morrison seems to have cribbed from the Ellis of all people)
 
 
MFreitas
17:25 / 28.08.08
Superman Beyond was DA SHIT and includes the best and most convincing explanation of God I've ever seen.

And Merryman IS Mark Millar!

Just perfect.
 
 
Mark Parsons
18:28 / 28.08.08
Would that make Mark Waid George and Mark Millar Ringo?


Maybe Mark is Pete Be(a)st?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:42 / 28.08.08
The more pressing question is...which Superman was which Beatle in that Yellow Submarine?
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:44 / 28.08.08
The "Quantum Superman" being a halfway point between current issue Captain Atom, original Charlton Captain Atom, and Doctor Manhattan(!)

was I the only one who also got a slight Mr. Fantastic vibe from Allen Adam? The suit & hair? Perhaps Reed Richards is truely the closest superman analog The Marvel Universe has. Scientist's son, rocket crashing to earth, 1st alpha superhero?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:57 / 28.08.08
I was more thinking of him as a Brainiac, actually. Quantum Dox!
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:04 / 28.08.08
(also, Morrison seems to have cribbed from the Ellis of all people)

Not sure I'd call this cribbing, as The Bleed (if that's what I think you are alluding to) has basically become the accepted structure of the 52 Universe DC status quo. I believe Wildstorm is one of the 52 Earths in current continuity.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:04 / 28.08.08
I was referring more to the "Ship that requires five or six superbeings to pilot it" thing that showed up in Planetary.
 
 
Spaniel
20:19 / 28.08.08
You didn't bother with the glasses? Surely it reads for shit if you don't wear the glasses. And surely 3D fun is better than walky fun*, even if it is a gimmick?

(Note: I have yet to actually see a real live copy of this comic)


*I say this as someone who walks everywhere and loves walky fun
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:22 / 28.08.08
I didn't really get anything out of it in 3D, but I don't get those Magic Eye pictures, either, so YMMV.

I walk everywhere, as well--even the fifth dimension.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:37 / 28.08.08
Jog pretty much hated it, which is odd because usually I see eye-to-eye with him on this stuff. Usually. I don't think I went in with very high expectations -- it's a tie-in, even if it's done by GM -- and it delivered what I wanted, which was mostly parallel Supermen and wildly surreal proclamatory dialogue.
 
 
Mark Parsons
23:15 / 28.08.08
You didn't bother with the glasses? Surely it reads for shit if you don't wear the glasses. And surely 3D fun is better than walky fun*, even if it is a gimmick?

The actual 3d bits are limited and glassesless look all blurry, yes they do. But the rest is normal looking, although I did not realize this until I reread sans awkward paper glasses. These normal bits to behave strangely with the glasses, although I am not sure if this is intended or just a cool side effect.
 
 
This Sunday
01:36 / 29.08.08
I keep telling people, just like Mark Gruenwald apparently kept telling people: all comics are better for 3D glasses. All. Comics.

That said, I really liked this one. I wish it was a massive oneshot instead of two issues, but, that's not a giant complaint by any stretch. I liked the Manhattan/Richards echoes in one world's Superman, and the meta/not-meta bits about kinder universes, about unexploited grim gritty potential, and about the fundamental superfigure, whatever that may be. Ubersuperduperbetterhero. And the Bleed menstruum thing, both in terms of solidifying the menstrual and in the solvent sense. And, yeah, pretty colors and pseudo-depth!

This feels like post ASSuperman.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
14:34 / 29.08.08
Ultraman's inclusion makes me wonder if the anti-matter earth is one of the 52 in the orrery. I'm guessing no, becasue then wouldn't the whole thing go "Boom"? I mean, Grant created the CSA of "Earth One" to get around not having a multiverse to play with, so maybe he's got a plan. I doubt that there's an anti-matter multiverse and a legion of Anti-Monitors, but I'm curious as to how it all fits together and why we needed a representative from the anti-matter universe.
 
 
Mario
15:38 / 29.08.08
Back in the day, the anti-matter universe balanced out the positive multiverse. So you might say that that Earth is the foundation "under" the orrey.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:09 / 29.08.08
I took it as Yin/Yang elements of the foundation stone universe. As Universe 0 is the cornerstone of the whole structure part of it's nature would include an antimatter version that wouldn't be needed amongst the other earths; though an antimatter Capt. Marvel could be interesting for 5 minutes . . . maybe that would be Miracle Man on the meta level.
 
 
Never or Now!
19:14 / 29.08.08
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I think it may be that this particular ship feels like it sailed with Animal Man and it's weird to go back to that well.

Aw, it's like Morrison in AM going back to see Foxy, I thought it was sweet.
 
  

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