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Mario
21:00 / 05.11.08
He did lose them for a while (his hands were chopped off & replaced) but he must have regained them at some point.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
22:17 / 05.11.08
Oh, the Dominators. They're such terrible Yellow Menace stereotype aliens but they sure did accidentally give a lot of people super-powers, didn't they?

One might even liken that one Dominator who had the idea for the gene bomb to the Imperial guard who didn't shoot down R2D2 and C-3PO's escape pod, since no gene bomb, no Crazy Jane, no Doom Patrol, no Flex Mentallo, no A*S... see what I'm building?

This was my most Comics post ever. Thank you.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:47 / 05.11.08
What exactly was the logic behind the gene bomb again? Wait, maybe I don't want to know.

In other news, I have no idea why the hell the Checkmate roster roll call thing in Resist would list the Thinker's powers as "None."

Although I totally love his holo-dreadlocks.
 
 
dark horse
04:36 / 06.11.08
scene with cheetah and snapper was hot.
 
 
SiliconDream
05:57 / 06.11.08
What exactly was the logic behind the gene bomb again? Wait, maybe I don't want to know.

Invented by a low-caste Dominator scientist to take out all Earth's metas, so the planet could be conquered without exterminating the rest of humanity. The Dominator government had no interest in it, since their whole plan was to capture and study metahumans and exterminate the rest of humanity. But the scientist went ahead and detonated it anyway after the aliens had surrendered, hoping the caste leaders would honor him for turning the war around.

SPOILER! They didn't.

The gene bomb wasn't intended to give anyone superpowers, but this is DC Earth, where people get superpowers from the flu. As I mentioned before, the Dominators literally gave a group of people superpowers just by shooting guns at them a lot.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:06 / 06.11.08
scene with cheetah and snapper was hot.

Was it? I couldn't help thinking, maybe this isn't the best time to be having the sexing. I mean, Gorilla Grodd catching you mid-coitus is a bit, ah, awkward (One can only imagine the dramas that played out in the Legion of Doom's swamp headquarters on those dreary, weathered nights between lame battles with the Superfriends), with the high-frequency telepathy and all. It's somehow worse that he's not even going to be judging you, because for a gorilla to see two humans it might be like watching Discovery Channel, and he's been dosed with Anti-Life so maybe, just maybe, Darkseid's judging you. Grodd just doesn't care that you're in the middle of a hospital examination room with no clothes on, lying on the floor with some feral cat-lady replaying those lame fantasies you had about, oh, Pantha from the Titans maybe.

But of course, we're essentially running on Zombie Plague Movie rules here -- sure, the evil gods have won, but it's really just Dawn of the Dead with men in torn tights, right? And those faceless helmets. Of course you're going to have inappropriate sex with some lunatic supervillain when you've had next to no physical human contact without a pressure suit on for weeks and why not strip off regardless of an anti-super virus or whatever they were talking about. So in that sense it works.
 
 
dark horse
03:23 / 07.11.08
yeah that's why it was hot dude.
 
 
SiliconDream
05:00 / 07.11.08
I'm kind of nostalgic for the days when Cheetah didn't have sex with everything that moved, personally. That seems to be her primary character trait these days, except when Gail Simone's writing.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:46 / 07.11.08
I've had sex with her. It was double hottt.
 
 
dark horse
12:49 / 07.11.08
silicondream there's no need to be such a puritann about it.
 
 
dark horse
12:50 / 07.11.08
i mean i definitely would "submit" not "resist" if you know what i mean
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
13:13 / 07.11.08
... You lost me.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
13:19 / 07.11.08
jesus christ
 
 
Aertho
14:28 / 07.11.08
What's going on in here?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:45 / 07.11.08
Blackstallion's giving me a headache, that's what's going on. Nnh.
 
 
dark horse
17:16 / 07.11.08
it seems like you have a problem with strong women dude.
 
 
SiliconDream
23:57 / 07.11.08
Heavens, yes. Women ought to be demure and retiring, like Golden Age Wonder Woman. Cheetah's way too "out there" and "edgy" for me.

I mean, what happened to comics you could read to your old granny without having to check the batteries in her pacemaker first?
 
 
dark horse
17:18 / 08.11.08
lol
 
 
Spaniel
21:03 / 08.11.08
This shit needs to end or posts start getting deleted
 
 
dark horse
21:16 / 08.11.08
huh? was that aimed at me boboss because i don't know what i've done to offend this time. i have been carefull not to post anything offensive since the last time i got into trouble with the mods.

or do you just object to my opinions?
 
 
dark horse
21:17 / 08.11.08
maybe i should just stick to things we can all agree with... like final crisis is the best event comic ever!
 
 
Spaniel
10:32 / 09.11.08
It's not aimed at you specifically, it's aimed at the absurd levels of offtopicness and barrel scrapery to which you are contributing.

If you wish to discuss this further please take it to Policy.
 
 
This Sunday
12:19 / 09.11.08
Or, if you want to talk about Cheetah, sex, and whether she should be having it with X, or how readers respond, take it to this thread.

More to the point of FC, if I miss Resist as I've skipped Submit, what are the odds I'll not be able to catch up with the next issue of the main title?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:17 / 09.11.08
I suspect you'll do just fine, as there seems to be only one major plot point introduced as a result of it.
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
18:32 / 09.11.08
I don't see this (Resist) having much of an impact on the main Final Crisis series, except for the very end. Resist seems to have massive repercussions for Checkmate (which I don't pay much attention to, so don't much care about).




Spoilery questions/criticism:

Maybe it's my lack of familiarity with Checkmate, but a lot of the plot of Resist seems pretty inconsistent. If anyone can explain the following, please do. Why were all of those OMACs able to resist anti-life, but Sasha had to be killed when anti-life took control in her? Why was Mr. Terrific so excited to activate and forge an alliance with the OMACs, who seem to just be killing lots of anti-life slaves, when he earlier explained the logical fallacy of using lethal force in a war agains anti-life? Are we supposed to assume that Fire and Ice and Thomas Jagger (who I guess is a character of importance in the Checkmate story?) left the Antarctic bunker before the OMACs arrived, or are we supposed to add Fire and Ice to the Final Crisis casualties list? Is Snapper's "I can't teleport two people but if you wait three panels I will teleport myself and Cheetah to safety with no problem or explanation" supposed to be attributed to his desperation and/or gentlemanly decency giving his powers that extra boost they needed, just as his powers were being shut down by the anti-metagene virus?

I guess I'm a little bitter that I spent $4 to learn that Mr. Terrific is going to be showing up in (I'm guessing) Bludhaven with a bunch of OMACs in Final Crisis #5.
 
 
Mario
21:35 / 09.11.08
> Why were all of those OMACs able to resist anti-life, but Sasha had to be killed when anti-life took control in her?

She's a different kind of OMAC, still with an organic consciousness. Also she wasn't killed, just "turned off".

> Why was Mr. Terrific so excited to activate and forge an alliance with the OMACs, who seem to just be killing lots of anti-life slaves, when he earlier explained the logical fallacy of using lethal force in a war agains anti-life?

Excited? No. Completely desparate, yes.

> s Snapper's "I can't teleport two people but if you wait three panels I will teleport myself and Cheetah to safety with no problem or explanation" supposed to be attributed to his desperation and/or gentlemanly decency giving his powers that extra boost they needed, just as his powers were being shut down by the anti-metagene virus?

Desparation. Hence his "this will probably kill us" comment.

The basic idea of the issue is "This is our last shot, so we do what we have to"
 
 
huckleberry glove soup
01:56 / 10.11.08
And why the hell couldn't Snapper teleport to go see Allen and the rest of the gang at Checkmate HQ after Terriffic says he's lost contact with Allen?

There are a bunch of little inconsistencies running throughout the off-shoot series and even within FC itself.

From minor shit like Linda's hair growing a foot in-between issues, GA's costume change from #1-4, Jay Garrick's disappearance, Montoya's incosistent appearances, to the mess that was Last Will and Testament.

Allen drafts a bunch of Super Heroes in #3 and they all sit in a castle while a conventional strikeforce hits Bluddhaven AFTER they realize whatever was there has taken down Wonder Woman? Way to show some guts guys!

This thing is just kinda sloppy and they're really not focusing on the most interesting bits of the story. Overall I'm kinda bummed.
 
 
Automatic
07:13 / 18.11.08
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18852

"IT'S ARMAGEDDON 2001 ALL OVER AGAIN

A familiar source known collectively as "New York comics industry employees talking in bars" tells me that the last issue of "Final Crisis" is further delayed as it is suffering from serious rewrites. It appears that DC Executive Editor Dan DiDio was unhappy with the way the story concluded and the implications for the DC Universe for a while and had ordered changes from a, naturally, rather unhappy Grant Morrison. Considering this is the way he wrote the pitch for the book.

As a result, creative teams working on a number of spinoff and affected books have also had to stop work while the “Final Crisis” ending is reworked.

Expect more lateness, more annoyance and less likelihood of Grant Morrison doing DCU work in the near future."

Oh fucking hell.
 
 
s_kid
07:52 / 18.11.08
yup; no surprises there; shame about James Robinson bailing on DC as well; I havent read his recent run on Supes but it looks pretty dire...and Grant is off battle of the cowl to be replaced by writer/artist Tony Daniels...go figure....these be dangerous days...
 
 
Spaniel
08:00 / 18.11.08
I don’t really know how to respond to this rumour. On the one hand editorial control at the Big 2 is a reality of life, on the other I can’t imagine the pen of Didio doing anything but mangle GM’s ending. I think, however, that this really irks me on the fan-level, the part of me that can’t help asking the question: “how very dare Didio fuck with my beloved Grant’s creation?”

Okay, so that’s slightly irrational, but not entirely. The fact is that over the last few years Grant Morrison has been the only writer who’s DC work I’ve consistently enjoyed (and often found thrilling), and the fan in me just doesn’t want to see that era end, which, given GM’s recent treatment, it might very well do.
 
 
dark horse
11:44 / 18.11.08
yeah i can't believe this, my jaw is on the floor really.... it is staggering to me that didio would ever do something like this; when dc has been the cooler of the "big two" for so long now....
 
 
Spaniel
12:54 / 18.11.08
The cooler?
 
 
dark horse
13:51 / 18.11.08
uh huh... well marvel killed off cap and made tony stark into donald rumsfeld; meanwhile grant has been rewriting the cosmic fundamentals of dc and really shaking shit up, i think its pretty obvious which is cooler....
 
 
Spaniel
14:28 / 18.11.08
You're right, it's obvious
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:17 / 18.11.08
I'm stopping buying any DCU stuff after FC finally limps home. I'm sick of it's editorial fuckwittery. Not that i've bought much beyond Mozzer's output, but I just can't stomach anymore of their terrible, terrible decisions.
I'm buying Marvel's produce either, but at least they seem to have a relatively coherent editorial mandate and the good sense to try and pull in new readers. Plus, you know, fresh talent.

Nope, Young Liars & Criminal are pretty much the only monthlies that will be recieving my shecks from now on.
Balls to it.
 
  

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