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Evil Scientist
21:02 / 03.07.08
Parademons, multiple gods of disposable goons.
 
 
The Falcon
21:20 / 03.07.08
Apparently, this week's Infinity Inc. makes the connection obvious, but I haven't seen it.

Well, it does, yeah. Desaad - I'm now quite sure - presently resides in the body of this sort-of Graydon Creed/Sen. Gyrich to Luthor's metagene offspring type-characters guy*. Called Bud Fogel.

Bud Fogel.

Current Milligan = teh sigh

*I'm not sure this sentence makes sense; he's like a one-man bigot army is the point.
 
 
The Falcon
22:22 / 03.07.08
I think this is about the most even-handed, coming down on the negative side, review of FC I've read. Good stuff.
 
 
huckleberry glove soup
21:30 / 08.07.08
First timer, be gentle:

Speculation on the identity of Libra:
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Thoughts on Barry Allen being Libra: In DCU 0 The narrator, assumed to be Barry, has two captions (three really, but these 2 stand out) on solo panels featuring Libra “…AND IT’S MY BREATH.” and “AND THIS IS ME.” as a blue-eyed Libra stares at the reader. The narrator “materializes” at the strip club we learn was where Barry first met Jay and where Libra currently has set up his base of operations.
Now, if evil has won in Heaven and the very fabric of reality has changed to allow the bad guy to come out aces, Barry, being part of the multiverse itself, is inherently changed from good to evil as well. When Barry appears at the end of FC #2, Libra is no where to be found but some of his trappings are. What if Barry is conning everyone in his Flash guise and setting them up for the ultimate betrayal/fall?

Food for thought…
 
 
Mario
01:45 / 09.07.08
Unfortunately, Grant himself shot down that theory. Although I did read an interesting variant:

Libra is Professor Zoom.
 
 
This Sunday
01:50 / 09.07.08
I thought Libra was The Question?

Or, Libra.

On another front, does anyone know if the additional artists thing is just lasting an issue, a few issues, or until the eventual replacement of the primary artist in gigantic jam-issues?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:52 / 09.07.08
I assumed they'd be sharing the chores for the duration, which is not a bad thing consider Pacheco has some chops. I don't know why I feel the need to use the word "chops." He draws well, smoothly--he's fond of cheekbones.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:55 / 09.07.08
Libra can't be Zoom; Zoom is in one of the large groups of DCU villains when Libra addresses them all, right?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:04 / 09.07.08
What if he is so fast that he can stand in one place, then zip faster than the eye can see to the chair, change his clothes, loll a bit, zip back to standing up in Zoom costume, and so on and so forth? That sounds credible.

Surely the main reason why Professor Zoom cannot be Libra is that even a Grant Morrison under editorial pressure and a long way from the peak of his powers couldn't possibly do something that wasteful with the setup. Surely?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:56 / 09.07.08
Surely Libra's the Hood, right? Right?
 
 
Mug Chum
17:03 / 09.07.08
Because he is a hooded villain (enlisting villains) that came from behind and put his lance into an ineffectual screaming hero-victim while somebody else filmed the whole thing in a hot-fiery strip club?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:40 / 09.07.08
Well, yeah. I mean, they brought Tangent back, for god's sake. No reason the Final Crisis can't revive, say, Marvel Vs. DC and it's twisted progeny, Amalgam.
 
 
Mug Chum
18:51 / 09.07.08
Well you just might have cracked Libra's identity. He is the night, and he's the best at what he does. Fear, bub.

(I actually read that crossover. You unburied profane memories, man)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:52 / 09.07.08
I really liked both of the Spider-Boy comics, actually. Total crack.
 
 
huckleberry glove soup
23:16 / 09.07.08
Mario, have a link? I'd be curious to check it out, haven't seen the interview you're referring to.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
 
 
Mario
01:21 / 10.07.08
Here you go

The relevant bit:

Morrison: Yeah they're definitely opposing forces. I mean a lot of people thought it was Barry under the Libra mask, but it's not. It happened at the same time, which is why we paralleled it. The descent of evil is happening at the same time as the descent of good's messenger. That type of thing.
 
 
huckleberry glove soup
02:08 / 10.07.08
Thank you, sir.

Seems I am over a month out of the loop. My web-fu is weak.

I am severely nerding it up tomorrow and buying FC:Reqium against almost all better judgement. First time in about 15 years I've been suckered into buying tie-ins. I shall weep, rejoice or you know... "meh" it up accordingly.
 
 
Mario
12:33 / 10.07.08
No problem. One of the advantages of buying as few titles as I do is that my Geek Force is concentrated on only a few targets.
 
 
andrewdrilon
19:04 / 10.07.08
Don't--please don't---I have bought it and (with much remorse) finished reading it. It's not worth the money, and it grates at me (despite the lovely Mankhe art) how flaccid a 30-page 'event tie-in' comic can be.

Well...okay, it's not that bad, at least for the first half. But it's most certainly not good.

Ack. I'll post more of my thoughts on this later. Word to the wise, though. Just read it in the store or something.
 
 
The Falcon
19:17 / 10.07.08
I stole it; it's basically a clip show of a bunch of comics you never read. Still not very sure who 'Cynthia'(?) is, one of the five people blessed with J'Onn's final testament, either, or what that bit with Nightwing seeing his floating corpse was for? Possibly set-up for Tomasi to do something on that most pointless of titles.
 
 
Mug Chum
19:24 / 10.07.08
I thought Mahnke succeded where JG Jones appears to be aiming at (and is somewhat failing). But yeah, overall a flaccid story that shines a light on FC's weakness even further (I thought there could perhaps be a better reason for why the death in 1 was done in such a matter of fact manner, anticlimatic and no brouhaha -- but it was just for the sake of selling an unecessary extra tie-in). Might be worth it for those who can for some reason still appreciate the thousandth "unique" and "rare" emotional moment of Bruce showing the secret soft area of his cold hardened brute heart.
 
 
andrewdrilon
19:32 / 10.07.08
That girl would be Gypsy, I think. I don't know their history; it seems that they shared something meaningful, whatever. What's weird is there's almost no explanation as to what they shared. Though plenty boring exposition on everything else about MM's long history, phrased in such an awkward manner that perhaps Tomasi wasn't the best choice to execute it.

Oh and I agree about the Nightwing splash being really unclear. It looks like the corpse is pinned to the moon or something.
 
 
The Falcon
20:35 / 10.07.08
Might be worth it for those who can for some reason still appreciate the thousandth "unique" and "rare" emotional moment of Bruce showing the secret soft area of his cold hardened brute heart.

Does this happen a lot? I can't think of a single example immediately - I actually quite liked that bit (I notice DC has finally put something of a moratorium on superheroes crying; superheroines... well, we all know what the ladies are like with the waterworks, eh lads?!??11!) The choco was a bit much, really, but I imagine it'll be a special knifetwist in the guts of those numerous thirtysomethings reading who grew up on the Giffen/DeMatteis JLs; the target market.
 
 
huckleberry glove soup
21:05 / 10.07.08
Yes, the raven haired lady was Gypsy. She was a part of J'onn's Detroit based Justice League before the first Crisis. This issue was weepytomeh at best.

Some of Green Arrow's and Batman's dialogue were pretty crappy. "Hug it out..." (Arie Gold!) and something like "I'm chasing slimeballs and am on fire Alfred..."

I think J'onn was hanging from a lightpole through his chest and Nightwing was just the lucky one to find the body.

If it weren't for Johns and Rucka helming them, I'd drop all FC tie ins except for Beyond and Submit.

I did think the publishing of A History of Mars was a nice touch though.
 
 
This Sunday
21:49 / 10.07.08
"I'm chasing slimeballs and am on fire Alfred..."

See, Miller could make that work. Picture Batman with grit teeth, throwing punches in the air, maybe on a rooftop:

"Goddamn, Alfred! I'm chasing slimeballs! And, every inch of me is on fire!"
 
 
This Sunday
22:27 / 10.07.08
Quick question on Requiem: Do Hal and Ollie really - and in a non-joking way - decide MM's last telepathic message during his murder was not a cry for help, but a goodbye because he also sent it to Black Canary?
 
 
Mug Chum
22:31 / 10.07.08
Does this happen a lot?

I'm afraid I can't remember any specific moment in more recent stories, as my reading habits are lacking. But it seems somewhat an obvious basic trope played out to the point it became a cynical and cheap shorthand for a Big Event's heartstring moment. Although it serves as good company for the Huge Event's Big Death.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
02:36 / 11.07.08
You know, I really don't think it's unreasonable or even remotely hackish for the characters to be crying while mourning their dead friend.
 
 
SiliconDream
05:53 / 11.07.08
What if he is so fast that he can stand in one place, then zip faster than the eye can see to the chair, change his clothes, loll a bit, zip back to standing up in Zoom costume, and so on and so forth? That sounds credible.

Even easier than that--Zoom can time-travel under his own power.

It would make very little sense for him to be Libra, but then it doesn't make much sense that he keeps showing up to these big villain get-togethers in the first place. He doesn't particularly like villains; his whole schtick is hurting heroes to make them better. Somehow.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:20 / 11.07.08
That seems a bit unfair...

John Fox: Flash! Be careful! Professor Zoom is in your century. He's on a mission to destroy!

The Flash (played, as is right and proper, by Mark Heap): Professor... Zoom. Right. Um, what sort of thing might he... might he do. Run quite fast, I suppose? Might he run?

John Fox: He certainly does! He runs hella fast!

Flash: OK. Well. I think... that's, I think that's fine. I've got a kind of... (long pause) approach. With running.

John Fox: But that's not all, Flash! He can travel in time! Without a timeship or anything - he just moves in time.

Flash: Ah. Hmmm... no.

John Fox: No?

Flash: No. I don't think I will. Thanks. I'll just...

(Disappears)
 
 
Neon Snake
08:31 / 11.07.08
"Goddamn, Alfred! I'm chasing slimeballs! And, every inch of me is on fire!"

With a big fiery hat.

"The scum are on the streets of Gotham again. My Gotham. My city. My love. It's a good night for hunting. A hunting night. For hunting scum. Gotham is under my protection tonight. I protect it like a God protects his city. For I am a god."

"I am the god of hellfire. And I bring you fire. I'll take you to burn."
 
 
slagar
12:56 / 11.07.08
"Oh and I agree about the Nightwing splash being really unclear. It looks like the corpse is pinned to the moon or something."

The Nightwing appearance wasn't so out of place. MM was pinned to the planet Mars in an Observatory in New York, where Nightwing is currently based. He was probably the closet one, who monitors local police traffic, who could have arrived to discover the body.
 
 
Mario
15:34 / 11.07.08
You guys are missing the Zoom theory. It's not Hunter Zolomon (aka Zoom) who is supposed to be Libra, but Eobard Thawne, the ORIGINAL (and supposedly dead) Professor Zoom who is the rumored candidate, simply because he's Barry's dark reflection.
 
 
The Falcon
16:01 / 11.07.08
I imagine I'd be terribly nonplussed were that to be the case.
 
 
Quantum
16:08 / 11.07.08
I'm terribly nonplussed by the whole affair.
 
  

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