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17:15 / 08.08.08

I agree that the design for Mary Marvel is pretty weak. Seems like a leftover rejected design for Exterminatrix from their Marvel Boy series, somehow...

Or Killer Kitten from Flex Mentallo.

I think the weakness is intentional, to go with the giggling and stuttering. Mary's not supposed to be good at being bad; this is an eight-year-old's notion of rebellion.

huckleberry glove soup

17:16 / 08.08.08

Flipping through the book again, I think Automatic nailed it. The vial even has the Omega symbol on it and Mary says they needed a delivery system. Next page the email uploads to Oracle's network.

I figured since it was mentioned a few pages earlier that Command D was a gene weapons testing center the disease was probably cooked up there (wich it probably was given the animalistic qualities of the test subjects in #2 and the appearance of everyone on the last page of #3).

17:30 / 08.08.08

reading this again i really agree with Superman a few posts earlier... this is what comics should be all about and i feel sorry for any losers who don't get that.

17:49 / 08.08.08

well, it seems very clear that Darkseid is doing exactly that: taking out the big guns prior to his big push/arrival. I don't mean to be snide; simply that it's something we the audience know and that Diana & the heroes were just beginning to piece together in #3, correct?

>> part of me wants Lex Luthor to turn this whole thing around, though GM doesn't seem (in ASS) to think he's got any kind of a good streak with or without superman. then again, if the premise is that good guys can't win, maybe it will make sense for the earth's supervillains to save the day ....

I think Luthor will definitely work hard to fight off the coming onslaught here... maybe even resisting the Anti-Life Equation somehow? I think the arc might go: 1) Luthor fights hard against Dark Side & Co., Luthor does some good that helps turn the tide a bit, and then 2) when we go back to 'status quo or something quite like it,' Luthor uses his actions as justification for why he's awesome and Superman smells. A bit of good coming from the bad guy, which sort of parallels the Hood over in Bendis' Secret Invasion (as Libra's speeches eerily parallel the Hood's earlier speeches) wanting to rally villains to fight the Skrulls, because no more earth is 'bad for business.' (Although Luthor's motivations are more like 'humanity will not surrender to super-powered jerks' and the Hood is like 'I can't make money as a criminal if evil aliens take over the world')

My Mom Thinks I'm Cool

18:11 / 08.08.08

I think Luthor's motivation feels more like "nobody is supposed to be better than me at fucking with Superman" or maybe just "nobody tells me what to do".

as for Hal Jordan...I just mean, it's been a big deal so far, many panels, to set up this elaborate frame. why not just kick his ass with the alphas and haul him back to the base like Batman? why the big deal for Hal and not the other 4 lanterns on Earth or the other ten zillion in the universe? (maybe I'm out of date on lantern shit, I missed the aftermath of sinestro corps.)

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to mess with Hal, I'm wondering if the big build up will be explained, if there's some key reason for all the pretense.

as for the big guns list - isn't Aquaman a big symbol in the JLA despite not being all that super? they haven't done anything yet except mention him.

18:30 / 08.08.08

Because you have to humiliate the Lantern Corps with the implication that heroes that err can't be redeemed. And Kraken needs to sneak back into the Oan Power Battery to kill its willpower with ALE.

Luthor's pissed and moved into action because he's got control issues, plain and simple. Die for Darkseid demands mindless compliance, and that's just not kosher with the super science CEO of Lexcorp.

And corruption of Diana is a good thing, because its when she's chained down that she BUSTS OUT AND CONQUERS. Rawr.

Aquaman Arthur Curry MIGHT have had the gusto to lead the charge, but Aquaman Nouveau is a new kid still right?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

18:38 / 08.08.08

And corruption of Diana is a good thing, because its when she's chained down that she BUSTS OUT AND CONQUERS. Rawr.

I want a Wonder Woman comic that doesn't suck. Did Simone's run come to anything worth while?

I LOVE THIS THREAD, purely because it's starting to sound like Darkseid's taking down Earth with beer. "I'll just sneak into the Central Power Battery and snuff it with this fine ALE, brewed by Vermin Vundabar!"

19:05 / 08.08.08

Simone's run thus far has been fun comics. Nothing haughty, and full of action. It's not ALL-STAR, but it's okay.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

19:29 / 08.08.08

"Annnnd Orion's down! Last heard to utter, 'Eighteen shots of whiskey? That's a record, surely?' Apokolips leads New Genesis for this round of drinking."

01:07 / 09.08.08

I think that "new Aquaman" isn't supposed to be the replacement Aquaman Arthur Curry from the Kurt Busiek relaunch, I think this is supposed to be a return to the One True Classic Coke (TM) Aquaman. Because that "new replacement" Aquaman wore orange and green armor, and this guy is in the classic original Aquaman duds. And DC has sort of publicly acknowledged that the replacement Aquaman kinda bombed with fans, and has been talking for a while that they wanted to find a good way to bring the Original Aquaman back.

Also --- Supergirl draws/paints images of herself? Plus some undersea monsters? I don't think it's been established anywhere that she draws or paints, has it? And isn't it a bit narcisstic for Supergirl to draw pictures of.... Supergirl? This seemed an odd character detail to me. But still, Streaky was there so that's cool.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:35 / 09.08.08

"But...but...my favourite superhero is me!"

I really wish Final Crisis was being put together by the writers and artists from the Bizarro Comics anthologies. Think of the one with lonesome singer-songwriter Aquaman, man.

12:42 / 09.08.08

Also --- Supergirl draws/paints images of herself? Plus some undersea monsters? I don't think it's been established anywhere that she draws or paints, has it? And isn't it a bit narcisstic for Supergirl to draw pictures of.... Supergirl? This seemed an odd character detail to me. But still, Streaky was there so that's cool.

I loved this picture of Supergirl. SHe just seemed very like a normal teenager with all the different interests than the vacant Paris Hilton clone that she is usually portrayed as.

I think the pertinent detail was the sewing machine in the background. The alternate costumes are all less revealing than her current outfit. She's thinking of changing her look. Can only be a good thing. Perhaps Morrison has been asked to redesign her? Perhaps he is hinting here that she should change her look?

12:50 / 09.08.08

I don't think it's so much that Supergirl is narcissistic: those are sketches for new costume designs. Thus the sewing machine.

That, or she's a Time Tailor.

13:04 / 09.08.08

There is actually a precedent for that. In the 70's, DC had a costume contest for Supergirl.

Unfortunately, it was in the worst decade for fashion in history.

13:21 / 09.08.08

Something posted on another board suggested this to me.

Why was Barry brought back?

Well, he's a scientist by nature, a seeker of knowledge, who's powers allow him to traverse not only space, but time.

Now, who else do we know who is like that?

In other words... is Barry the host for Metron?

16:18 / 09.08.08

I saw it as Luthor is always opposed to the dominant moral force of the universe he's in. So, in the regular DCU, he's evil, in the world of JLA: Earth 2, he's good because it's an evil world. So, when Libra flips the morality of the DCU, Luthor's morality also flips, and he's going to fight for good.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

16:35 / 09.08.08

"I saw it as Luthor is always opposed to the dominant moral force of the universe he's in. So, in the regular DCU, he's evil, in the world of JLA: Earth 2, he's good because it's an evil world. So, when Libra flips the morality of the DCU, Luthor's morality also flips, and he's going to fight for good."

If Luthor ends up on a Portrait cover by Jayge, I will fucking die. That would be the sweetest thing ever.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:15 / 09.08.08

The Barry/Metron idea is sexy. I'd back that, particularly if we get Barry spouting Seven Soldiers-esque Metron diatribes about calculating the human heart. Stroking the treads on his yellow booties while thinking of infinity, of where to go next...

17:41 / 09.08.08

The dominant moral force in the DCU is evil? Isn't that the wrong way round. Isn't the idea that Luthor is diametrically opposed to the dominant moral force?

20:03 / 09.08.08

I meant the Earth in Earth 2 had evil as the dominant morality. The regular DCU is good, hence Luthor evil.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

15:06 / 10.08.08

That was the dullest issue yet. You'd think that the person who wrote 'Rock of Ages' would have avoided a time-travel story in the run of his big adventure so that, oh joy, we get to see what the world looks like when Darkseid has taken over, AGAIN.

However, there was something I didn't understand, why was Supergirl talking in German, and what was the fight we didn't see that defeated her and sent her back in time?

16:31 / 10.08.08

That was the Supergirl from Earth-10, seen in sketch form last issue.

20:17 / 10.08.08

why was Supergirl talking in German

It was a parallel Nazi Supergirl.

Mein gott, Fraulein...

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

00:16 / 11.08.08

Random thought somebody had, that the Super Young Team house the spirits of the Newsboy Legion (as opposed to "Army"), their car being similar to the Whiz Wagon. I'm still going with my Forever People theory, though.

00:40 / 11.08.08

The Newsboy Legion were/are human, not New Gods. Hence, they are probably still alive, and in their original bodies.

Anyway, does no-one remember the Zipp Drive?

ONLY NICE THINGS

00:46 / 11.08.08

The Flash stuff was a bit overlong, the Green Lantern stuff was exactly the same as the Green Lantern stuff from the last issue (we're going to arrest Hal Jordan! Verrrrrrry sloooooowly), and the personal and sexual issues of comicdom seem to be looming a little large (how do we communicate submission to the anti-life equation? Breasty windows? Leather pants! A ball gag! Brilliant!). And the superheroes accidentally going to far forward in time and finding themselves in a dark future dominated by Darkseid riff would indeed be more startling if it hadn't already been done, word for word, in Rock of Ages - not to mention the anti-life email and the Hourman virus.

Apart from that, it was all pretty good fun, though. The Super Sumo/Mister Miracle double act is quality.

Was there something else? Oh, yes. wildstallion, you're a comedy genius, but there must be a time to let the mask slip. Your stupid act is getting a bit too stupid.

04:00 / 11.08.08

So what is sewed up inside Hal's head/temple and who put it there and what will it do to the Guardians (or the Alpaha Lanterns)? In issue one he claimed he was late b/c he was "deep asleep" or something like that.

Wildcard prediction: Himon, who may have been from New Genesis, but almost qualifies as an Evil God based on residence/exile points. Himon and Metron have an interesting x-change in 4W omnibus 1 or 2. Anybody have that at hand?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:05 / 11.08.08

I've got them but I couldn't see anything in particular -- do you remember what series/chapter they met up in? I checked "HIMON" itself but didn't really click with anything.

I imagine -- the slow-moving Lantern plot -- it's difficult to coordinate stories between series in these big events, which might explain why they're a bit stalled; Johns presumably has to get the GL/C books up to date and organized or something.

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:09 / 11.08.08

I think Luthor will definitely work hard to fight off the coming onslaught here... maybe even resisting the Anti-Life Equation somehow?

Would that not be the tiniest bit like the scene where Luthor resists the Anti-Life Head Jellyfish Eye in World War III?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it won't happen. In fact, I may be saying it will happen. But I'm just saying.

My Mom Thinks I'm Cool

12:04 / 11.08.08

I'd rather see Luthor out-scheme the bad guys rather than out-willpowering the bad guys. He showed up in the Legion of Doom's locker room with a plan to overpower someone he thought had just disabled superman and was a dangerous threat - surely his plan was more complicated than bringing a bodyguard with a pistol?

please?

Keith, like a scientist

13:02 / 11.08.08

The way that the email/internet is treated in comics never ceases to amuse me. "Pull the plugs!" - Um, yes.... we'll get right on that. Might take awhile to shut down the entire thing, though, you understand?

13:42 / 11.08.08

haus i really don't think its fair to single me out for that kind of abuse! i've stood up for you in some of the "controversy" there has been about your posting and moderation style and the thanks i get is to be called stupid??

Our Lady Has Left the Building

14:29 / 11.08.08

Take it to the Policy please.

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:17 / 11.08.08

I'm terribly sorry, wildstallion. I thought you were doing it for laughs. Tell you what, I'll apologise profusely, you undertake not to call people who don't share your ideas losers, and we'll call it even. Pax?

15:50 / 11.08.08

Slight tangent- I was just re-reading Countdown to Final Crisis (volume one, fact fans) and noticed a few recurring motifs-
Namely, that some rogues gang up, kill a hero and they have a big dull funeral and introduce some random new character as a villain, and it leads to a crisis that will change the face of the DCU 4eva, but less than a year later the dead hero is alive and well with a revived title. Lather, rinse...

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