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Mario
11:34 / 28.07.07
and written by Grant Morrison.

God, I hope it doesn't suck....
 
 
Janean Patience
12:14 / 28.07.07
...as bad as this thread...

All those who were hoping Morrison might go and do an interesting indie project rather than more servicing of trademarks can go and fuck off, then...
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
13:03 / 28.07.07
To perhaps reverse the suckage, here's a link to a Newsarama interview with JG Jones on the project. Scant detail, but there is a trailer image in which Superman is drawn with odd little T-Rex arms, like Lou Carpenter from 'Neighbours'.
 
 
uncle retrospective
14:30 / 28.07.07
Grant also said that he's written Seaguy 2. Yea!
So Cam, anything you want to tell us?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:10 / 28.07.07
I'm happy enough for Morrison to be servicing trademarks, seeing as he does it so bloody well. I mean great as his creator owned stuff is, it's not as if his owning the characters makes the work intrinsically better.

Throughout his career from Zoids, through to Animal Man right up to Seven Soldiers and All Star Superman he's always excelled at being just as fantastic with other people's stuff as he is with his own. So for my money I couldn't care less if he's working on the big trademarks or on indie stuff, so long as he keeps the quality up.

So roll on Final Crisis I say.
 
 
Mario
17:21 / 28.07.07
I'm less worried about Morrison doing a bad job than DC editorial getting in his way. After all, they've been leading up to this for almost 4 years.
 
 
Mug Chum
17:57 / 28.07.07
There's a new interview with Morrison? Him saying a new Seaguy is on the way?

Where?!
 
 
Janean Patience
18:01 / 28.07.07
Throughout GM's career from Zoids, through to Animal Man right up to Seven Soldiers and All Star Superman he's always excelled at being just as fantastic with other people's stuff as he is with his own.

I was being a little mean. My own perspective is since JLA, which for my money turned out better than the Invisibles, his work with superheroes and on big characters has been underwhelming. I enjoyed The Filth and Seaguy, but the writer has reinvented himself during the post JLA-years to become the big guy for superheroes and super-events. (The Wildstorm relaunch being one.) I find the stories less and less engaging, culminating with the first four issues of Batman which were Image-era bad. A crossover, something which rarely works anyway, and one which is apparently the climax of a long series of anticlimaxes... I don't hold out much hope.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
18:06 / 28.07.07
Sparrow, it was slipped in one of the DCU panels he attended. maybe there'll be a Vertigo panel with more info on that. but with both Cameron and Grant pretty busy now, I doubt it.

this Final Crisis thing reminds me of an old interview about Animal Man in which he said the Psychic Pirate seeing into other dimensions would lead to Crisis 2... which we've seen happen in crossovers like ZERO HOUR. so I suppose Morrison writing FINAL CRISIS is his personal nerdy realization of stabilishing a multiverse architecture for good at DC.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:38 / 28.07.07
I enjoyed The Filth and Seaguy, but the writer has reinvented himself during the post JLA-years to become the big guy for superheroes and super-events. (The Wildstorm relaunch being one.)

As far as George's relationship with Mark Millar goes, isn't it a bit like Peter Cooke following Dudley Moore to Hollywood?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:12 / 28.07.07
Hmm. Mozzer & JG Jones...it'll be nice to see that combination again. It'd be really cool if Jones was painting the insides instead of just drawring them, but it'll still be pretty cool.

...and yet, I'm bored of all the crises. What's this one? Lady Styx or the New Gods stuff or whatnot?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
23:32 / 28.07.07
Agreed. I just hope the title means what it says. Or at the very least means 'Final' until say 2020 or so.
 
 
PatrickMM
01:07 / 29.07.07
JG Jones said it was a story Morrison had been wanting to tell for a while, and would likely have otherwise told it in an Elseworlds, so that's a good sign. I'd rather see GM doing some smaller projects, but Seven Soldiers was a corporate gig and for me, that was his best since The Invisibles. As long as that JH Williams/Grant project turns up sometime this decade, things should be cool.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
19:06 / 29.07.07
DC Nation panel pics and full audio here

some funny moments
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:18 / 29.07.07
Isn't there an argument that Morrison should finish some of the comics he's recently started that are behind schedule, before he commits to writing any more?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:18 / 29.07.07
"...A fan asked what would make Final Crisis different, and Morrison said it would have Anthro the First Boy on the first page, and Kamandi the Last Boy on the last page..."

(snagged from Dorian's blog, quoting an article linked therein)
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:27 / 29.07.07
Isn't there an argument that Morrison should finish some of the comics he's recently started that are behind schedule, before he commits to writing any more?

In theory I couldn't agree more. In practice however I'm quite happy to hear that he's working on a book on which might be kept on schedule by pressure from the powers that be. If it works out it'll be nice to have a whole seven issues of anything on a more or less monthly schedule from Morrison.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:31 / 29.07.07
Well, it's attitudes like that that keep him in nice suits, young 'un!
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:05 / 29.07.07
he's said before and repeated in the panel that work on '52' put it all behind, and broke all the authors involved. he mentions he's been sleeping for 3 months straight after it wrapped. =)

and that he wouldn't commit to a weekly company crossover anytime soon.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:47 / 29.07.07
After reading the above about Anthro and Kamandi, I think whatever love I still had left in my sad, cracked heart for George died with a small sigh.

George used to be good because he was prepared to drag ideas that ostensibly had nothing to do with comics (beat poetry, pop culture, contemporary politics, teh darque magicks and so on) into his work. All right, everybody does that nowadays, but for a while back there George's comics were futuristic, and inspiring.

These days though, he seems to increasingly drawing on comics from the Seventies as his main inspiration, like an avant garde musician 'going back to his roots', which is always, IMVHO, a mistake. The retro-classicism he's currently hawking round the place at DC works for some (James Robertson for example) but it does seem a bit hopeless for George, in much the same way as Bob Dylan's conversion to Christianity left a sour taste, at the time.

In short, George's series of fractured homages to the greats of the Sixties, and especially the Seventies (Neal Adams, Len Wein, Jack 'The King' Kirby and so on) is really beginning to grate. I was around for all that the first time, and it was interesting stuff, for the most part; I'd just been through a messy divorce, and for the first time in a long time I was centring myself, albeit with recourse to transcendental medication. But that was then, and this is now.

I'll go out and slavishly buy the thing, of course, all seven issues, but I suspect I'm going to hate myself in the morning every fourth Sunday, for as long as the series lasts.

Although I hope to be proved wrong. At my age, even the most minor disappointment is life-threatening.
 
 
FinderWolf
00:57 / 30.07.07
>> "There is a reason Final Crisis is called 'Final Crisis,'" said Morrison. "And if you don't like it, we'll do it again," he joked.

Best line of the panel.

Last big DC event Morrison wrote was DC ONE MILLION, and that one is quite terrific. (and this will be a much bigger deal than DC ONE MILLION, of course... I trust Mozzer's scripting for such a big event) (Mozzer's 4 issues are great; the tie-in issues, many of which are in the ONE MILLION paperback, are not so much...
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
05:53 / 30.07.07
It will be great as long as it has a super-chimp in it.

As for the recall of the seventies...i think this is quite bullocks. Grant isn't going back to his "roots" as that was the indie comics scene (unless you mean hearkening back to earliest influences). Back to the roots would mean he would let his narratives explode into nonsense and go mega-crazy.

I don't think that is what is happening. Morrison's narratives have never been tighter and coherent (imho).

The only way I am going to be disappointed is if it isn't grand, wild, and emotionally affecting.

And heres to no delays.

I'm also placing a bet that this takes place on that bloody Nazi planet he is so obsessed with (insert Kula Shaker joke here).

But after he is done with this I think it will be time for him to take a break from the Super-heroes for a while and to do some new craziness at vertigo.
 
 
Janean Patience
06:37 / 30.07.07
As for the recall of the seventies...i think this is quite bullocks. Grant isn't going back to his "roots" as that was the indie comics scene (unless you mean hearkening back to earliest influences).

If memory serves, Morrison said Seven Soldiers was his tribute to the 70s work of Len Wein. Looking at the bigger picture, he seems to have decided to be John Broome, a 60s DC writer and bohemian who was all about bringing wild concepts and science into superheroes. A strange person to base your career on when you've already done the kind of unrestricted creator-owned work that Broome probably wished he could do instead writing the Flash for kids...

Back to the roots would mean he would let his narratives explode into nonsense and go mega-crazy.

Seven Soldiers
didn't explode into nonsense. It unravelled into meaninglessness. Batman didn't make sense from page one...
 
 
This Sunday
07:10 / 30.07.07
After reading the above about Anthro and Kamandi

Surely, they should appear in reverse-order. With no Command D nonsense.

I'm just not getting the lack of love on this one. Morrison's issues will be good; heck with the rest. I don't think you need much off One Million other than the four issues, and maybe the JLA one to make sense of the thing, and putting 7 Soldiers away for a bit, and reading it straight through before ever even cracking the final issue, it read just fine. Didn't feel or notice anything missing. Clearly Morrison's got a big huge love for the DCU(s). He likes these big ubercosmic events. And, while his Bats may be not quite hitting the mark for me, I'm happy to go along for the ride and at least give it half the mini before I'm horribly disillusioned and depressed with it.

Heck, even 52 is holds together and proves mostly interesting in TPB. I tried to reread both the original and Infinite Crises recently, who knows why, and I couldn't do it. Just couldn't do it.

And I'm all down with Morrison styling himself as John Broome, which he's been knocking on about since he started writing for DC back in the day. John Broome's still fun, after all these years, and a bit of that oldschool's alright by me. Morrison's always been a bit Broome/Fox, which, given the etymology is sound enough, I guess.

Now, if the architects of the new DC can be - putting Johns far away - Morrison, Waid, Grayson and either Kesel. With no rape storylines for at least two years. In all the alternate universes.
 
 
Mario
13:38 / 30.07.07
Replace Grayson with Simonson, and I'd go for it.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
20:55 / 30.07.07
What didn't make sense about batman?
 
 
Janean Patience
08:02 / 31.07.07
Aah, this probably isn't the time or the thread for me to bang on about hating Morrison's Batman. I suppose the plot made sense, in a certain hi-octane Image way - wow! Batman has a kid! Wow! He's fighting ninja Man-Bats! He's Got A Rocket! - but I found the storytelling splashy and incoherent.

I'm already mildly ashamed of my contribution to this thread, however. Slagging off an upcoming project I know nothing about isn't the kind of comics conversation I want to have, so adding further negativity won't make me proud. If Final Crisis is as good as DC One Million then I'll be delighted. If it's as inconsistent as all Morrison's high-profile superhero work since JLA I'll ignore it.
 
 
+am
09:09 / 31.07.07
Do you really think ASS is inconsistent?
 
 
Janean Patience
09:33 / 31.07.07
I read the first two issues. I wasn't impressed with the writing. I haven't read any more.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:40 / 31.07.07
For shame. ASS is the one comic that I've found I can give to anyone (including non comics readers) and they always really enjoy it. At least 2 people I know actually cried when they read ASS 6, as well.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:47 / 31.07.07
OK, so is this thread actually about explaining why people who have not been impressed by Morrison's superhero work since JJLA are wrong and, in one remarkable case, should be ashamed of themselves, or is it about the Final Crisis crossover? I got turned around somewhere, I think.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:50 / 31.07.07
It sort of works itself around to why some people are claiming Morrison's presence on Final Crisis shouldn't be taken as a reason to pick up what could potentially be a lamentable event comic.

It's all a bit hypothetical, really, given that the comic's not going to be out for some time. With nothing but hype to run on, the thread's beginning to show early warning signs of dementia...
 
 
Janean Patience
15:10 / 31.07.07
Dementia during the long, long wait for much-hyped Morrison projects is deeply traditional. Though I believe we need a couple more pages of thread before the sleazy abusive potshots begin.
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:24 / 01.08.07
I'm psyched for FC. Love the Anthro Kamandi riff.

And I really liked BATMAN 666. I feel as if his Bats run is picking up and gathering steam now.

I would not mind if he nixed Authority and Wildcats in favor of pretty much any other work.

Wish SEAGUY would resurface, as well as a "wave 2" of those Vertigo books. And what is up with LeSexy?

Saw JHW3 panels at SDCC (well, only five minutes) - GM was there and mentioned the creator owned book but no other details.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:45 / 01.08.07
I would not mind if he nixed Authority and Wildcats in favor of pretty much any other work.

You mean he's still working on those? Did the Mirror Master trap him in some verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slooooooow mooooving diiiiiimensioooooooon?

Query: has much, if any, hint been given regarding the Final Crisis storyline? Or does it even matter, presumably being another "multiverse in peril" Crisis on Infinite Earth remake-horrorshow-trickle down thing?
 
  

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