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Final Crisis

 
  

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Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:21 / 07.08.08
"I simply can't believe that 21st century DC lettering is unable to produce German umlauted characters. It should say 'Überfräulein' and 'Hölle'"

It's probably harder in the 21st Century, as the typeface they're using to letter the book has no special characters.
 
 
Abraxas
12:27 / 07.08.08
Ah, thanks, Yotsuba & Benjamin! I didn't know that. It seems that evil truly has conquered the DC universe...
 
 
dark horse
12:48 / 07.08.08
i think mario is onto something, this is grant morrison we're talking about guys, i would bet on NOTHING being accidental here...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:57 / 07.08.08
"Ah, thanks, Yotsuba & Benjamin! I didn't know that. It seems that evil truly has conquered the DC universe..."

Yeah, you can tell they tried. I think in one instance "Uber" is spelled ">ber".
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:20 / 07.08.08
That's one terrible, terrible redesign for Mary Marvel. Is that how Countdown left her? With tufts of bad pink hair?

I don't know. Jones artwork still feels a bit lifeless. I quite liked the future Female Furies and the presence of the Atomic Knights, but two scenes really made it for me: the SHADE operation's return of Frankenstein, and Shilo running off with Sonny Sumo. I foresee the Japanese super-people housing the Forever People's souls.
 
 
dark horse
16:39 / 07.08.08
that could be a great comment on japan's 'futuristic' side - the tendency of japanese culture to be ahead of the curve....

i like the mary marvel redesign, i think it's meant to be like a spoilt rebellious teenage girl's idea of "punk"- hot topic meets suicide girls....
 
 
MFreitas
16:56 / 07.08.08
BTW, the name 'Überfräulein' does sound rather ridiculous in German. If you want to have the appropriate Third Reich-associations it should have been 'Übermaid' (and I'm well aware that '-maid' will lead to slightly ridiculous assumptions on the part of English speaking readers, but trust me - it will do the trick.

Übermädchen would be probably more correct.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:15 / 07.08.08
I agree that the design for Mary Marvel is pretty weak. Seems like a leftover rejected design for Exterminatrix from their Marvel Boy series, somehow...
 
 
FinderWolf
18:17 / 07.08.08
and her "evil" guise in Countdown was not with pink hair, no. It was a black version of her Mary Marvel costume, looking kinda goth-ed out, regular hair (brown).
 
 
FinderWolf
18:19 / 07.08.08
also, why is Wonder Woman 'the carrier' for the equation? I know she's Truth and all that stuff, but how does infecting Wonder Woman lead to/carry the email sent to everyone on planet Earth? or are they two different things, despite the 'carrier' speech? (sending a brainwashing email to everyone on the planet is creepy, though, I'll give 'em that)
 
 
FinderWolf
18:25 / 07.08.08
from Benjamin's review:

>> So why exactly is Morrison staging "Final Crisis" like this? Why gather up a brand new All Star Squadron if only to show them in a splash page standing around looking worried?

Part of me feels a bit like it's 'big event done super-opposite of decompressed,' with too much happening in too short a time, or big ideas given about one or two panels. But it was an enjoyable issue overall. I like the idea of Barry being one of the only ones not infected, and his wondering 'I was dead, I was peaceful, why am I pulled back into this stuff, this life...?' etc.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:39 / 07.08.08
I like the idea of Barry being one of the only ones not infected, and his wondering 'I was dead, I was peaceful, why am I pulled back into this stuff, this life...?' etc.

Morrison aping Whedon? There's an unexpected turn of events.
 
 
Mario
19:06 / 07.08.08
I don't think she was carrying the Equation. I think she may have been carrying a literal disease, to spread among the superhero population.
 
 
Aertho
19:27 / 07.08.08
I'm not sure why you'd think she'd be carrying anything other than the Anti-Life Equation. It's the whole point.

If bullets can go backwards in time, diseases can be made of anti-life.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
21:28 / 07.08.08
God I really, really fucking love Final Crisis.
 
 
Mario
21:30 / 07.08.08
Because every other time Grant has used the Equation, it's been verbal?

(except for the e-mail this issue, but that COULD have been a sound file)

The only person who's ever made the ALE a physical entity was Starlin, and he proved once again, this very week, that he cannot be trusted with continuity.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:45 / 07.08.08
Perhaps something happens when one imprints the Anti-Life Equation into a sample of genetic material? Perhaps it becomes viciously viral and maybe, possibly, alters DNA it encounters to make it more...pliable for the needs of Apokolips? Hell, maybe it's a disease that makes superhumans more useful to New Gods for long-term embodiment?

(In other words, such a fundamental mathematical equation might have varying effects depending on what media it's employed through)
 
 
Mario
21:48 / 07.08.08
Perhaps. But sometimes an evil virus is just an evil virus.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:50 / 07.08.08
Hell, the inclusion of Frankenstein and S.H.A.D.E. in this issue implies to me that the disease released by Mary might be not unlike THE WATER that the government had weaponized -- Emoto's water theories bound to the anti-life.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:51 / 07.08.08
But sometimes an evil virus is just an evil virus.

Maybe, but Anti-Life-modified water sounds like a big concept Morrison might employ.
 
 
The Natural Way
22:20 / 07.08.08
Whatever the virus is, the reason Wonderwoman's 'employed' to carry it is because she's fucking Superman status. She's indestructible. You can't kill her and stop the tide.
 
 
The Natural Way
22:21 / 07.08.08
I'm sure anti-life ispart of it - I'm not sure anything other than the equation would be hardcore enough to colonise WW's mind - but there appears to be another component that turns meta-geners into hyper-powered drooling dog people.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
23:08 / 07.08.08
Was that last page not just pant-shitingly excellent? I really can't be bothered with any further pissing about FC. It's the Armageddon of Mozzer's personal DC-verse, and for the faithful it's just the (demon) dog's bollocks. Really. It's like Seven Soldiers and the JLA never went away.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:47 / 07.08.08
It actually reads, when it's working, like the Justice League brought down to the Seven Soldiers' squalid level.
 
 
The Natural Way
00:05 / 08.08.08
And you know Super there never reads any spoilers.

I'm not reading any more either. Fuck that shit.
 
 
huckleberry glove soup
00:21 / 08.08.08
I don't think the ALE and the virus are related. The virus was probably cooked up in Command D (possibly by Desaad)and physically mutates carriers. The kids from ish 1 sure didn't look like the beasties at the end.

Anti Life to own the mind, virus to twist the flesh... and the world is re-created in HIS image.
 
 
Aertho
07:51 / 08.08.08
No. Separating the two when we have so little to go by otherwise is recipe for confusion. Believe what you want, but I'm going to see the ALE in disease form coming from a gene splicing factory run by evil gods in human form.

And Natural nails it. It had to be Wonder Woman because she's unstoppable otherwise. Batman is human, and Superman keeps his heart outside his body. Diana is a machine of a superhero —you can't win unless her conviction is taken off the board too. Break her to the ALE, and the entire DCU has no rudder.
 
 
Automatic
08:41 / 08.08.08
I figured the baddies plan was to rid of the Martian Manhunter, and with his telepathy gone, this would force the JLA to switch to electronic communication through the Watchtower via Oracle. One they've got that set up, all the need to do is upload the virus to Wonder Woman and they can hack into the JLA's systems via her uplink, and as the JLA seems to be capable of 'TURNING OFF THE INTERNET!' I would assume it'd be the quickest way of distributing anti-life onto every computer on the planet.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:20 / 08.08.08
plus, Wonder Woman has no equivalent of Kryptonite, I just realized.

I love the Super Young Team in this issue. "Weve dealt with this kind of thing before, or whatever the line was." Nice!
 
 
Spaniel
15:01 / 08.08.08
And you know Super there never reads any spoilers.

I haven't read any spoilers for this series. I've been avoiding any and all articles in the press since DC started to drum up interest by giving away their big reveals.
 
 
slagar
15:42 / 08.08.08
Does the spelling variation of Lois' name on her bracelet indicate this is taking place on an alternate Earth?
 
 
Mario
15:55 / 08.08.08
Some have argued that. Others have suggested she's wearing a Louis Vuitton bracelet.

Given that hospitals usually use "First Initial, Last Name" on id bracelets, I almost buy it.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
16:13 / 08.08.08
you know, after the first issue I was feeling "what's so final about this? bad guys are going to take over the earth and just when everything seems fucked the good guys will pull it out of their asses. that happens every month in the DCU. so what?"

by the end of issue 3, the feeling of doom and desperation has really started to set in. it's a clumsy, stuttering start, but I feel it's building to something good.

the stuff with Ex-Monitor is really going nowhere fast and seems like a waste of my comic book's pages. the mary marvel decapitating dogs sequence was hard to follow, and I agree the art could in general be clearer.

really liked the complex panel layouts, as others have said.

why are they spending so much effort (and, again, our time) with the framing arrest of Hal Jordan? why's he so fucking special out of all the green lanterns or for that matter most of the JLA?

is his supposedly unbeatable willpower too much for the anti-life equation or something?

part of me wants Lex Luthor to turn this whole thing around, though GM doesn't seem (in ASS) to think he's got any kind of a good streak with or without superman. then again, if the premise is that good guys can't win, maybe it will make sense for the earth's supervillains to save the day - like the Earth 2 storyarc where only the evil JLA could defeat Brainiac in that universe.
 
 
Aertho
16:46 / 08.08.08
why are they spending so much effort (and, again, our time) with the framing arrest of Hal Jordan? why's he so fucking special out of all the green lanterns or for that matter most of the JLA?

Well, seeing as how the enemy this time around are Gods, they're fighting a god war. Systematically destroy opposition in the form of silencing or subverting symbols of hope, faith, and community. Look at how Alan Scott speaks to the troops.

Martian Manhunter's telepathy is a good place to start, but he's a damn backbone and elder statesman of the DCU's army of Good. Batman's capture was seemingly accidental, but still easily obtained. Superman is held still by Lois in the ICU. Hal's important not only because of his power, but his perpective and reputation makes him a threat to rally the forces. That leaves Diana, probably the most steadfast and sure. She needed to be dealt with in a way that didn't make her a martyr. Everyone else that's been JLA, JSA, or otherwise has been a scrapper or a leader from left of center. Similarly, Lex Luthor, the hero that never was, is in checkmate.

Barry's back because he's basically the Second Coming.
 
 
Mario
16:50 / 08.08.08
I think the theory that Darkseid (via Libra and his minions) are taking out the big guns of the DCU one by one prior to the big push is valid. Think about it:

Martian Manhunter: Killed.
Batman: Captured.
Superman: Crippled by tragedy.
Wonder Woman: Corrupted.
Green Lantern: One severely wounded, the other taken off Earth (and beyond the Alpha Lantern barricade).
There's your A-list right there, except for one legacy...

(And Darkseid doesn't know there are THREE of them running around.)

As for the B-List, it's probably no mistake that Captain "not Dr. Manhattan" Atom was transformed into Monarch in Bludhaven.
 
  

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