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Celebrity Big Brother 2007

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14:51 / 17.01.07

i think so.
doesnt hurt to say it out loud every now and then, though.

Whisky Priestess

14:52 / 17.01.07

Nope. I'm extrapolating from:

She said it was like calling a Scotsman 'Welsh', or an Eglishman 'American', or an Irish catholic 'Protestant' -only y'know, with more hatred and bloodshed between the two cultures.

Oh, I see ... English people being mistaken for Scottish. I've only ever seen Scots go up the wall when mistaken for English, never the other way around, hence my misinterpretation.

Being mistaken for American when in Europe, however, is bloody irritating.

15:16 / 17.01.07

I thought that, from a certain point of view, (some of) Germaine Greer's thoughts on this aren't totally loony. Things have got nastier now, but I did think at the start that what we were watching was really bullying as a result of class dynamics, combined with jealosy of looks and smarts. Jermaine Jackson, iirc, does talk about a different "level", and even referred to the Goodys as white trash, I think. And I can imagine that it may be easy to interpret Shilpa's eagerness to voulnteer as organiser as a bit controlling.

None of this excuses racism, of course, but I think there are lots of reasons Jade and crew might want to exclude and bully the attractive, successful and articulate Shilpa that have little to do with race, even if it is all about race now.

miss wonderstarr

15:42 / 17.01.07

Blair: "The message should go out from this country loud and clear that we are a tolerant country and we will not tolerate racism in any way."

Brand: "Let's not respond to intolerance with intolerance."

It's an interesting seeming-paradox, isn't it, in a way ~ that "tolerance" (of different ethnicities and cultures) involves "intolerance" of prejudice. Bad intolerance, and good intolerance.

I don't think "tolerance" as an approach to different cultures is all that laudable anyway; even "acceptance" seems a step up the scale towards, I don't know, "interest in", "appreciation of", "celebration of".

16:29 / 17.01.07

Germaine really does need to lay off the dopamine.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

16:34 / 17.01.07

Brand: "Let's not respond to intolerance with intolerance."

No, fuck off you stupid idiot.

miss wonderstarr

16:58 / 17.01.07

I do wonder how many people's careers are going to be permanently damaged or ruined by this. In an ideal world, Jade, Davina, Danielle ~ maybe even Russell and Dermot if I'm feeling harsh. Shamefully I am a bit on the fence about Jo, as I haven't seen her doing anything nasty and I really crushed on her during that Steps tribute band routine.

In the real world, probably nobody. It does seem to be building up into a shockingly big snowball though, and it's hard to believe nobody's going to get hit hard.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

17:19 / 17.01.07

A lot of people NEED to be hit hard, from where I'm sitting.

Mind you, I'm really drunk.

But Jade, Danielle, yes, Jo (and Jack, if I figured he was someone I ever expected to hear about again after this, which I didn't, really)...

...anyone in charge of failing to enforce what should be basic rules to this game...

...yeah, they should all be hit REALLY hard.

Oh, and JSBHJKL. Her too.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

17:19 / 17.01.07

Oh, and maybe Russell and Dermot too.

miss wonderstarr

17:33 / 17.01.07

By the by, I've been puzzled by this paragraph from Greer, all day:

Her only motive for parading in front of the other women in the house with whitener on her face was to show what utter hicks they are, how little they understand of her complex reality or of a billion people in the subcontinent who all want to have wheat-coloured skin. I bet thousands of brown-skinned girls in Southall fell off the sofa laughing when she did that.

It was bleach for her hair, surely? Nothing to do with trying to achieve lighter skin.

17:40 / 17.01.07

Being mistaken for American when in Europe, however, is bloody irritating.

Just typed a reply to this saying how "bloody irritating" I find it when British people talk about Europe as if it didn't include Britain, as if they'd rather not have anything to do with it (as a "Continental European" living in Britain I'm quite touchy about this) but then it occured to me that you may be Canadian or Australian or from another English-speaking country, in which case I'm sorry I brought this up.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

17:48 / 17.01.07

It was bleach for her hair, surely? Nothing to do with trying to achieve lighter skin.

Yes. The giggling "ooh look- she wants to be white!" stuff was inexcusable, really.

18:04 / 17.01.07

I'm in the USA at the moment and I just spotted a feature on CNN on racism in the UK Big Brother house. Didn't think it would spread this far.

18:31 / 17.01.07

must be a slow news day, i guess.
maybe nobody died in iraq/afghanistan/somalia/rwanda/etc today?

18:41 / 17.01.07

Well, there was a 'daring raid' according to Sky.

India is demanding a full apology. And protesters are burning the endemol producers in effigy.

If someone sends these protesters a photo of Jade Goody, d'you think they would rig up an effigy of her? 'Twould be a dream come true.

18:48 / 17.01.07

Well, what a weaselly little bunch of prunts Channel 4 are.

18:48 / 17.01.07

dude.
you could be that someone!
live your dream, man.

19:11 / 17.01.07

They've added the words "overt" and "unambiguous", thus qualifying their statement. If the point of this is to distinguish unexamined, ignorant, unthinking racist attitudes from the consciously-malignant BNP variety, then fine, I can accept that distinction. It still needs to be flagged up and addressed, though, arguably more so.

Xoc made the point today that BB's tendency in the past has been to gloss over/airbrush out racist comments - recent examples being Maxwell, Craig, Saskia - and in some ways, it's good that this has all snowballed. This time, they're having to acknowledge, at least, that there's a problem.

19:21 / 17.01.07

'No, my claim to fame is meeting you, you loser.'

Who whoa whoa wha-ha-hoa there, fuckpig! Who in the house is actually famous only for losing? Who lost Big Brother 3? Why, Jade. Jadey Jadey Jadey Jade. It was you, wasn't it? Why yes, yes it was. You lost BB3 and that's what you're famous for. Who won? Why, it was Kate Lawler, wasn't it? Who you hated? Because she wasn't like a docker with too many x-chromosomes? MMMMMM, yes. Indeed. What did Santayana say about history, Jade? You won't know, obviously. He said those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. Like you, Jade. Pissing all your credibility up a race-hate tree and repeating the mistakes that LOST you the last Big Brother you were in.

Shilpa's a loser? A woman who speaks six languages, is a black belt in karate and has made like fifty films while you were being taken by fairground attendants behind the fucking octopus ride? A loser? No, Jade. You're the loser.

A two-time loser, baby, and there ain't a damn thing worse.

19:22 / 17.01.07

Aaaaaaaaaand go to a happy place...

19:24 / 17.01.07

I'm in the USA at the moment and I just spotted a feature on CNN on racism in the UK Big Brother house. Didn't think it would spread this far.

It´s on the news here tonight, too. It says there were fifty times more complaints (about 10.000) than usual, and that Scotland Yard is checking on death threats against the three Big Brother people, who insulted Shilpa Shetty.

19:31 / 17.01.07

Jade's getting high on giggly approval, in't she?

19:34 / 17.01.07

It's like listening to an apopleptic terrier.

19:38 / 17.01.07

One way or another, Jade does need to be muzzled if she's making the headlines in India. This is not a good time for the UK to be advertising itself as being any more opposed to individuals from a non-British cultural background than it already seems.

I actually couldn't watch 'stockcube-gate' just now.

19:39 / 17.01.07

Jade's making my slappy hand itch more than ever. And Beavis and fucking Butthead on the settee aren't helping. This is infuriating.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

19:40 / 17.01.07

I'm starting to think that everyone SHOULD hate the UK.

We're actually an island full of wankers, aren't we?

19:41 / 17.01.07

Well, 20 000 of us have complained about this. That must count for something.

19:51 / 17.01.07

What's Cleo up to now though? She seems to be reciting a script she's been given by Endemol - 'it's not racism, it's a culture clash' etc ...

19:53 / 17.01.07

The fact that Shilpa's said, in conversation with Cleo, that she thinks this is racism would seem to cut across the statement that Shilpa herself hasn't complained about this. She may not have formally complained about it in the Diary Room but she clearly believes it is racially-motivated.

Cleo's pissing me off. It may be true that none of the girls is "a racist" but they're certainly being racist. The noun/adjective thing again.

What a working class hero Jade is! By the pricking of my thumbs, a Burchill-penned 'controversy' this way comes...

19:58 / 17.01.07

I have complained to Channel 4, Carphone Warehouse, and Hertfordshire Constabulary (apparently this is the constabulary responsible for the BB house). I was trying to complain to Ofcom, and kept getting gateway timeouts. They must be overloaded with this shit.

Jade is scum. Jo is scum. Danielle is scum. They should be out.

I'm seriously thinking of starting a viewers' strike over this.

19:59 / 17.01.07

"Not that I liked the argument..."

That'll be why you pissed yourself laughing throughout, Danielle.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

20:03 / 17.01.07

Way to do a fake apology, Danielle.

20:03 / 17.01.07

velvet, dude.
seriously. start an effigy campaign
call the local media.
have some well thought out stuff to say.
it could make a great weekend out, and it would spread the effigy fun that all those dudes are having overseas!

i bet you coudl whip up a storm of support and condemnation on the net, and you'd definitely get a camera crew down from the beeb for the burning.

maybe a wicker house with the offending people in effigy inside?

20:04 / 17.01.07

'I didn't mean it as in 'she should go 'ome.'

Really? Because those were the words that came out of your mouth. You could have fooled me.

Anyone else thinking there was a strange lag in that - like they told Danielle something off-camera? Weird that she went from kinda cheerful/bored to crying, innit?

20:05 / 17.01.07

Russell, shut the fuck up.

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