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Burning down the Haus part 2 - Attack of the Clones

 
  

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grant
14:09 / 14.07.06
I think the Barbelith equivalent of Godwin involves lizards.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:16 / 14.07.06
Whatever did happen to bitchiekittie, anyway?
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
14:17 / 14.07.06
I am not for one second attributing blame to those artists; obviously the whole picture is very complicated, but I am saying that these pictures are a drop compared to the %self inflicted% ocean.

There you are again, saying that.


I'm tempted not even to comment on this one, but...

...see those little % signs? They indicate sarcasm. %I'm surprised you haven't met them before%.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:20 / 14.07.06
%I certainly don't take them as the options-open arse-covering of a man who previously said

I suspect it won't make an awful lot of difference to public perceptions so long as the airwaves are brimful of upbeat, cheerful depictions of black Americans. Shooting each other and fucking their "ho"s, that is. Why bother letting other people charge you with violent misogyny when you can proclaim it for yourself? With friends like these...


And will no doubt at any moment claim IT WAS A JOKE!!!%
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
14:24 / 14.07.06
bitchiekittie continues to be active on livejournal. no doubt she felt bullied by haus and left in a huff.

that's a joke. i think. i don't know. hm.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:34 / 14.07.06
We certainly had our tussles, but I think we ended up getting on quite well. I was young and callow... in fact, I was _tiny_. Barely out of short trousers. Kept in a jamjar.
 
 
Ticker
14:35 / 14.07.06
I think the Barbelith equivalent of Godwin involves lizards.

oooh lizards!

grant, be a dear and bust out the lizard fumigation squad?
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
14:38 / 14.07.06
%I certainly don't take them as the options-open arse-covering of a man who previously said

I suspect it won't make an awful lot of difference to public perceptions so long as the airwaves are brimful of upbeat, cheerful depictions of black Americans. Shooting each other and fucking their "ho"s, that is. Why bother letting other people charge you with violent misogyny when you can proclaim it for yourself? With friends like these...


And will no doubt at any moment claim IT WAS A JOKE!!!%


Well, that just sums it up, don't it, Haus? You read them as arse-covering? Well, that's your prerogative, but I'd've preferred you to read them straight, and spare me the extrapolations of how you'd like to believe I'd behave.

"With friends like these?" Haus, implicit in that statement is the idea that these people - these "friends", those people who make this music that I find objectionable - are not representative of the community as a whole, but are taken as such. You're the one making the extra step, you're the one adding "and I, Kay, agree with them that this is a sensible way to behave" to the sentence when you read it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:40 / 14.07.06
Yeah. What you're missing there is:

Why bother letting other people charge you with violent misogyny when you can proclaim it for yourself?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:47 / 14.07.06
Oh, and, incidentally, if you are now saying that you find this music onjectionable, what happened to:

By stating that some black artists produce music which portrays black people in a negative light, I intend only to describe. I intend no condemnation, or criticism.

Please understand, Kay: I don't think you're a bad person. I do think that you are working far harder to maintain your self-perception as a perfectly objective arbiter of what is right than you are to thinking about the issues.
 
 
foolish fat finger
18:53 / 14.07.06
pot to kettle- 'You are black!'

I know I said I wouldn’t post again, however, as I have taken you off ignore Haus, I notice you have replied to my second post, which was long and carefully considered, with a one-line snark. And so…

Haus, do you feel it is cowardly and hypocritical to maintain a stance of calm aloofness in this thread, whilst littering your PM’s to me with personal insults? Because I feel it is.

“Crawled in from the temple”? You may have apologised to the temple, ok, so can you apologise to me, for saying I ‘crawled in’? it might help me to believe that you didn’t apologise at that point merely to undermine my line of argument.

Incidently, I came to barbelith from a thread about The Brian Jonestown Massacre, in music. So you are also incorrect.

I felt it was important to point out that these were baseless and clearly personal attacks.

No, not baseless. Yes personal, obviously, as my points pertained to you. and also, not attacks. With the abuse you unleashed on my in the PM’s, I am pretty sure I hit at least one home-truth. By the way, I don’t wish for an apology for this. You were so far-wide of the mark, I just laughed. It was like watching Mickey Mouse blow his top.

But, on reflection, that seems to be pretty clear to everyone who expresses an opinion.

Not from where I’m standing. Just because some of your friends have posted some weird accusations, like I ‘joined barb to get in argument with haus’ (???!!!), doesn’t mean everyone sees it that way. And indeed they don't.

I am afraid ‘it’s a joke’ doesn’t wash with me, over the thread title, or the cartoon you posted. They are clearly ‘jokes’. However, the target of the joke appears to be the very people who you are claiming to want the opinion of. Personally, I felt patronised by the cartoon you posted. My internal response was pretty much, ‘you don’t give a shit about the people you are engaging with, whose opinions you have asked for’ but I guess I knew that in the beginning. I just wanted others to see it.


Dupre- Only, in FFF's case, it's obvious that ze has no interest in anything other than singing the Haus is a Bully song.

This is the ‘Opinion presented as fact’, that you agreed you disliked earlier in the thread. Plus, I find that sweeping statements don’t work in discussions. Today I learnt a brand new song- ‘Dupre likes to dish it out’. Always good to expand your repertoire, don’t you think? Sing along if you know the words.

I was happy to keep my opinions to myself. However, as Haus started a thread asking for feedback about why he’s a LRFA, well, I thought I would let him know my 2 cents. I just gave him what he asked for, and I actually think that a ‘thankyou’ wouldn’t go amiss, as I put a lot of thought into those posts, for his benefit.

Dupre- I'm sure, for example, that Fucking Fuckwit Finger thinks that ze's being attacked because as a newbie ze's an easy target,

Hmmm, appears I am becoming some kind of lightning rod for aggravation. Maybe even an underground sensation? Perhaps I should start a thread about me, to find out…
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:00 / 14.07.06
I think that would be a very good idea.

For future reference, my private messages were keyed to the level of personal insult you delivered in this thread. In my opinion. If you cannot cope with it, don't try to dish it out. If you are not bright enough to understand what is and is not insulting, don't speak.

Incidentally, this is without a doubt the shittest storming off Barbelith we've had for a while.

"I'm off!"

"I'm back, but just to say that I've stopped posting!"

"Hello again!"

Awful. Embarrassing. In my opinion.

Also, I apologise to somebody in the first page of this thread:

Oh, Randy - yeah, you're right about the Revolution Controller. I was flippant, and expected to be able to get away with it because my observation of akira gave me reason to believe that he could not sustain any length of threadrot. I was intending to go back and steer the conversation back, but have been a bit busy. My bad.

This rather puts your fatuous line of attack on its arse. In my opinion.
 
 
grant
19:06 / 14.07.06
oooh lizards!

grant, be a dear and bust out the lizard fumigation squad?


I mean the kind that wear human faces!!!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:15 / 14.07.06
Perhaps I should start a thread about me, to find out…

Please don't.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
19:16 / 14.07.06
Is this thread being productive in some way (at this point) or just festering/ breeding wee nasty meta arguments?

I think it's banishment to Convo was the official end of anything productive.

That said, it is immensely entertaining.
 
 
Ticker
19:16 / 14.07.06
I mean the kind that wear human faces!!!

The Royal Family kind?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:17 / 14.07.06
No, please do.
 
 
Ticker
19:18 / 14.07.06
That said, it is immensely entertaining.

Only as a place to be absurd and feel no shame. Even more so than the Lateshift threads.

I'm going to start posting Royal Lizard People pictures in a minute.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
19:28 / 14.07.06
Only as a place to be absurd and feel no shame. Even more so than the Lateshift threads.

Yes, the Convo welcomes those sorts of threads. Kind of the point, really.

Whatchoo got against the Lateshift, anyway, huh?

There are plenty of "serious" fora on Barbelith, xk. Why does this sort of thing seem to offend you?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:36 / 14.07.06
Haus. It will hurt. Do you want your brainpan to hurt? Do you?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:38 / 14.07.06
Without pain, Anna, how will we become as gods?
 
 
foolish fat finger
19:39 / 14.07.06
Incidentally, this is without a doubt the shittest storming off Barbelith we've had for a while.

"I'm off!"

"I'm back, but just to say that I've stopped posting!"

"Hello again!"

Awful. Embarrassing. In my opinion.


well, quite. but didn't you think it was amusing?! I haven't quite hit George Bush standards of lyrical and physcial ineptitude yet, but I am working on it...

I really do have nothing more to add to this thread, or indeed to barbelith. Contributing has been thought-provoking, and I have learned a lot about my own ways of interacting with people.

Haus- *fff bows* you have been a worthy opponent. Your minimalist put-downs of my long posts have tried my patience severely. My patience now is stronger. I have gained from this discussion, and so I win. If you have gained from it, you also win.

Have a good day, all. bye.
 
 
foolish fat finger
19:42 / 14.07.06
"hello again!"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:43 / 14.07.06
All right. That was funny.
 
 
Tom Paine's Bones
19:48 / 14.07.06
Perhaps I should start a thread about me, to find out…

If you don't then TEH MAN has won.
 
 
Ticker
19:51 / 14.07.06
Whatchoo got against the Lateshift, anyway, huh?

There are plenty of "serious" fora on Barbelith, xk. Why does this sort of thing seem to offend you?



Me luv the Lateshift when I catch it! I was just venting spleen over the clash of egos in a boring way. Now that's become fun again I'm fine with it.
absurd does not = bad for me, rather as Quantum can tell you I am a very silly person.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
19:55 / 14.07.06
Me luv the Lateshift when I catch it! I was just venting spleen over the clash of egos in a boring way. Now that's become fun again I'm fine with it.
absurd does not = bad for me, rather as Quantum can tell you I am a very silly person.


Oops! I misinterpreted, sorry.

I'm off for a quick cocktail and some weekend supplies. Save my seat for me and fire up the popcorn, would ya?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:55 / 14.07.06
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but isn't keeping the board up to date on who you may or may not be 'iggy-ing' just a little, y'know, uncool?

At least Tony Montana, in the original BDTH thread, was trying to be funny about it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:57 / 14.07.06
I really do have nothing more to add to this thread, or indeed to barbelith.

There's a word in this sentence that doesn't belong. Can anyone tell me what it is?
 
 
Char Aina
20:05 / 14.07.06
see, storming off is a great way to cut down the amount of people pressing you to answer questions.
why, i might start doing it between every post!


but i mean, what's the point? he wont be back, will he?
 
 
■
20:48 / 14.07.06
isn't keeping the board up to date on who you may or may not be 'iggy-ing' just a little, y'know, uncool

P'raps, but it might explain why some people with good points don't get responded to by someone at the centre of a row, or have links that haven't been read... In a kind of mitigating way that requires everyone to try and work out who's ignoring who.
Too complicated for me and I think it's bound to cause more problems than it solves, although I did find it soothing the one time I tried it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:17 / 14.07.06
At this point I feel I should make it clear to anyone who's read the first BDTH thread that I am no longer iggying Ms Sayers.
 
 
Char Aina
21:33 / 14.07.06
all you people 'iggying'...

i keep imagining you shaking your barely trousered crotch in peoples faces, screaming about how you are worth a million and want to be their dog.

especially you, stoatsville.
 
 
Char Aina
21:39 / 14.07.06
for some reason that link isnt working.
maybe this one will?
http://www.barbelith.com/topic/10212/from/1470#post610271
 
 
Ticker
22:46 / 14.07.06
i keep imagining you shaking your barely trousered crotch in peoples faces, screaming about how you are worth a million and want to be their dog.


that's what I thought too! Except more crawling on glass and hypnotizing chickens.
 
  

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