BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Burning down the Haus part 2 - Attack of the Clones

 
  

Page: 1 ... 7891011(12)1314151617

 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:03 / 14.07.06
Not directed at anyone in particular, but I've been reading The Complete Peanuts and this caught my eye:

 
 
The Falcon
01:37 / 15.07.06
Actually, this thread has inspired me to use the ignore function for the first time in over three (four? I put Flux on that one time.) years. I am using it judiciously, in fact, and many threads look and read better for its' usage now.

Hurrah.
 
 
The Falcon
01:43 / 15.07.06
I can't stop. I'm iggying EVERYONE.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:26 / 15.07.06
Ooh, you smoothtalker you, toksik.
 
 
Morpheus
07:15 / 15.07.06
I imagine the problem people have with Haus is that they think everyone should be nice to them, even if they behave in an idiotic fashion, and Haus does not do what they think he should. I think people also do not like to be judged by someone who may appear to be their intellectual superior, and they especially do not like that person to be correct in their assessment.

Personally, I think the guy is full of himself. People are idiots and Haus tends to be an idiot in a judgemental, superior, intellectual fashion. He seems to break things for the sake of breaking things. Anyone who is old or "newbie" here should be treated with respect, even if they seem to be "acting" like an idiot.
Plus... he isn't correct if it is just his point of view. He seems to think his view is better in the Pent Haus he's made on Planet Barb.
 
 
Morpheus
07:23 / 15.07.06
Oh and to add, if it took him this long to "test" the waters on this subject...how damn smart is he Lucy?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
07:55 / 15.07.06
Ah, troll time.
 
 
■
07:59 / 15.07.06
OK, apparently maybe I should use it more.

Anyway, while we're heading off-topic into Schulzland, some of you might like this.
 
 
Morpheus
08:06 / 15.07.06
How was that off topic? Bad Link guy...now we are trolling.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
08:25 / 15.07.06
Troll time, Mopeyus, because you're a troll.
 
 
Morpheus
09:53 / 15.07.06
Thank you Dupe...I wasn't asking. Again... the question was, how was I off topic?
 
 
Morpheus
10:00 / 15.07.06
I felt bad... for not asking Du pee a question, so here goes...Du?....what is a troll?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:40 / 15.07.06
Oh, fine foolish finger - got your message. Thanks for the kind words, and no hard feelings carried - I challenged you where I felt you were being unfair, in what seemed an appropriate style to the method of criticism. Glad you enjoyed.

Huggles!
 
 
■
12:11 / 15.07.06
we're heading off-topic

We. The original purpose of the thread has pretty much run its course, hence the move to Convo and the acceptability of a bit of levity as in the first Peanuts post.

Mind you, the reference to the ignore function was directed at your posts.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:22 / 15.07.06
Serious question, whatever happened to the Greenland Posse?

I miss them, if they were in this thread it would have more flesh eating human lizards! Though they'd be covered in Hauscum too.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:15 / 15.07.06
One of them, miraculously, became sane again. One was banned (I think). The third still pops up every once in a while.

Morpheus> Look in any thread you've ever posted to other than your own and you'll find your answer. Alternatively, if that's too much bother for you, try the mirror.
 
 
Liger Null
22:21 / 15.07.06
Who was the Greenland Posse?
 
 
Twice
23:04 / 15.07.06
So here I am (at 1 o’clock) making stupid in a thread that doesn’t concern me. A little earlier I was snuffling through the Barbewarren and found a post that, well, made me smile a bit. My not having read half ‘n nth of Haus’s contribution isn’t going to hold me back. This might be unwise.

So it’s the Greek bit , and I hope I might be forgiven.
 
 
foolish fat finger
19:41 / 16.07.06
Hi Haus, thanks for your reply. As you replied in the thread, I thought I would reply here- if you had replied by PM/email, I’d have also replied by PM/email, and not posted. If it helps with not thinking I am reneging on my statement about not posting, think of it as a Private Message that just happens to be in the thread.

My feelings for you are like a river of warmth, and I feel compelled to write one last time. It seems appropriate to post a kind of summary into what appear to be the last few glowing embers of the fire of this thread.

I may have an answer for you- as to why you are, for some, a lightning rod for aggravation. I see you as like a the main centre pole that is holding up the multicoloured marquee that is barbelith. As such, you become the axis, the focal point for all kinds of feelings- in this thread alone, there is love, anger, amusement, and so on…

Actually, I think you already know this. I respect your strength in being able to hold this position.
(of course the above is just my opinion, and I hope you will not be offended if you see things differently. It is meant entirely in a positive way)

I am somewhat in awe that a thread you have posted to discuss ‘you’ has had over 400 replies in just a few days- I doubt that anyone else here could create such a response… I guess you truly are an underground sensation

Glad you enjoyed.
I am not sure if ‘enjoyed’, would be quite the right word- I got a bit tense at times… but as I said in the PM, from my perspective now, it was a damn good spar… and I smile now at the different ‘thrusts and parries’…

Myself, I feel I played the part of the fool pretty well. It is a part I have been playing for a long time now. However, in the last day or so, I am starting to feel it may be a role I have outgrown. Sometimes when you choose a role early on in life, you can forget that it’s just a part you are playing. I think I might want to be a bit more serious from now on.

Yours Aye,
V

PS, to everyone- after posting this, I am gonna go and fuck up my password, so this is definitely my last post. However, I’ll still be around as reader, probably forever…

PPS- Dupre, I apologise for being extremely sarcastic toward you. I did this because, in my role as ‘fool’, and in the light of your ‘fucking fuckwit finger’ comment, I thought you might enjoy giving me a kicking, and so I wanted to give you a big easy target.

That you didn’t rise to the bait makes you the better man by far, in this instance.

Although I guess it is possible that you have me on ‘ignore’, which in some kind of ironic way, might be poetic justice.
 
 
Cloned Christ on a HoverDonkey
19:55 / 16.07.06
Wow.

Having just delved into this thread I wish I'd been there from the start! Hope you don't mean it about not posting here again, FFF, because even though some people may heve been offended by/offended you there are surely just as many more who would support you.

My view of haus, for what it's worth (zilch), is that he's an intelligent, articulate debater with a knack of nailing an argument down immediately. He does this in a forum where individual expression and a person's rights to such are held sacred - Barbelith.

It's Haus's right here to argue a point, no matter how ridiculously wrong he may be, as long as he doesn't do it in a deliberate attempt to offend anyone. Even then, it's probably his right here.

Haus' opinions are always right - to him, as your opinions are always right to you. The major difference is that Haus argues his point better than the majority of people and through frustration his adversaries take offence.

No, I haven't read the whole thread - my comments here are not directed to any specific individual, they're just generalisations.

What I think I'm trying to say is "don't go, FFF, stick around - offend, be offended, but stay and join in - it's fun!".
 
 
Olulabelle
23:21 / 16.07.06
I would actually like to second that. A House full of Hausness would not a fun place be.

Also, FFF, Password fuckup-age gives people the willies, I don't know why.

Don't go, but if you do go, really go, don't just pretend to go, because that's crap. Far cooler to go forever and have everyone occasionally say things about you in a kind of amazed and a bit inspired way.

Pretend going does not rock.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
16:08 / 22.08.06
Bump and bollocks. I’m loath to start a new thread on this and kind of annoyed that I’m posting seriously in this thread.

From the thread in the Policy on What it Takes to Get you Banned on Barbelith

Haus.

"oh, all right, if you insist.

Mod hat: Reidcourchie, you are rotting this thread. You are rotting it in a number of ways, but right now you are rotting it with a series of personal attacks on other members of Barbelith. Also, you are using the bombings last July as a way to raise the emotional temperature and score points against people you do not like, which is likely to cause _further_ threadrot, the isssue of lack of respect aside. Also, you are giving yourself the right to make rhetorical overstatements and denying it of anyone else, in particular with your religious adherence to taking Flyboy absolutely literally, which is likely to and indeed has caused threadrot.

What you are not doing, and have so far not done is devoted any attention to the question at issue rather than your hurt feelings. If you want to start a thread on how boo hoo it is to be you, please do so. If you want to start a thread continuing whatever feuds are occupying you at the moment, again do so. If you want to talk about the subjects being discussed in this thread, then this thread is a great place to do it."


Where to start? First of all it's great being me.

Haus' position is that although it was all right for FB to use sarcasm in a comment on this thread it was not all right for me to respond with sarcasm. Now I didn't think FBs comment was a little out I thought it was way out and unreasonable and disingenuous the board in general however an attempt to explain myself and substantiate what I said is of course both threadrot and in someway unreasonably emotionally manipulative. Though bizarrely whilst he is telling me that I am denying people the right to make "rhetorical overstatments" (Who? FB? I've not denied him anything, I will respond in a way I feel appropriate but I'm not telling him how to post and over statement is two words.) he tells me I cannot defend myself against his criticisms. Now you'll forgive me, I don't think I have a persecution complex, nor do I think I post like someone who does, perhaps I'm wrong but this does seem to me that we can hear one voice but not the other.

Now personal attacks. I attacked what FB said, arguably not well, and just to let you know I will avoid caps in future, the second reference to FB was an attempt to explain why I felt the way I did about what FB had said. Let me make this completely and totally clear. I have no problem with the FB suit; in fact I have problems with the concept of disliking a suit. I have disagreed with FB in the past I've also agreed with him, most recently in the JKR section in Books were he managed to very succinctly encapsulate what I would've liked to have been able to say in a few paragraphs whilst myself and another poster pointlessly raved at each other. The disliking FB thing to me seemed to come way out of left field and have very little to do with what's going on.

Just for the record I don’t dislike the Haus suit either, I at times feel he is unnecessarily harsh but largely I find him quite entertaining.

Largely I've posted this to make my position clear as it was totally misrepresented by Haus and of course to defend myself in the thread were all this happened (i.e. to disagree with Haus) would be threadrot. And that is a particularly clever debating tactic if you are more interested in being right than listening to other people, post something you’re pretty sure will get a reaction than very quickly afterwards post something along the lines of: “Now lets hear no more of this.” Very dismissive, something Haus does a lot but does it really need to be backed with moderator authority? My position is that this is an abuse of the moderator position however as Flyboy pointed out:

"There's already been at least three threads like that about Haus and he's teflon, dude."

What I would like is some assurances that the moderator position is not for dismissing people attempting to defend themselves from criticism because I’m not sure that I think the Haus suit is as objective as he seems to think.

Haus you will want to make fun of my inability to use the bold quote facility on Barbelith.

Incidentally I really do apologise if this comes across as “poor me” as I really do feel that this is self defence.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:14 / 22.08.06
Haus you will want to make fun of my inability to use the bold quote facility on Barbelith.

I'm not Haus, but hey: It's not an inability, it's ignorance, which is easily remedied; apparently compounded by laziness, which is less so.

I mean, if you're gonna leave yourself open like that...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:14 / 22.08.06
Haus' position is that although it was all right for FB to use sarcasm in a comment on this thread it was not all right for me to respond with sarcasm.

Caps lock != sarcasm.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
16:22 / 22.08.06
Jack it was going to happen anyway.

Haus I see the problem you failed to recognise the caps as letters which formed words which had meaning in their own right because of their case. I'm not sure how I can help you there other than promise to use lower case.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:26 / 22.08.06
I think that would help, Reid. Specifically, if you stopped taking what people have written, changing the meaning until it means something that you feel will be more obviously unreasonable, and then typing it out in caps locks to suggest that the person who made the original statement is shrieking and irrational, that would definitely help, because it's a profoundly annoying tactic and relies on assuming that people will believe whatever they have been told most recently. This is likely to create threadrot.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:31 / 22.08.06
Ah yes,

Jack it was going to happen anyway.

Or make up stuff in your head, say that it will happen and then, when it does not happen, claim that it would indubitably have happened, because you know as an incontestable fact, in this case, that the person you are denigrating is a nitpicking pedant.
 
 
Olulabelle
16:34 / 22.08.06
For the record and because otherwise some stuff here won't make sense later on, I've put in a mod request to bold the Haus quote because it makes the whole thing easier to read.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
16:34 / 22.08.06
Haus imagine for a moment that you're assumption of what I was doing when I posted is incorrect. Imagine I was posting honestly taking FBs post at face value. Imagine that is the case have you not just done what you're accusing me of, have you not be doing it all afternoon?

Now if we disagree on that fundamental point why are you automatically correct?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
16:42 / 22.08.06
"Or make up stuff in your head, say that it wil happen and then, when it does not happen, claim that it would indubitably have happened, because you know as an incontestable fact, in this case, that the person you are denigrating is a nitpicking pedant."

Or very possibly has previous for it. Both not using the bold quotes and pedantry. Again you are making assumptions on why I am saying things.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:45 / 22.08.06
BOLD, YOU LAZY IGNORANT FUCK!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:03 / 22.08.06
Well, you weren't taking it at face value, were you? Because you then changed its wording to bring out what you wanted it to say, and then typed it in CAPS.

Yes if we could just get rid of that human capacity for compassion we could show what good people we are KICKING THE CRAP OUT OF THE ENEMY! THE ENEMY I TELL YOU!

In what sense, precisely, is that taking it at face value?

It was only when you were challenged that you made up this argument that your issue was with the suggestion that the statement:

Astonishing: making racist, sexist and homophobic statements really is the best way to be on the receiving end of an unprecedented amount of kindness and compliments and hand-holding from some people on Barbelith!

Was unacceptable because it was not factually accurate, if taken at face value, which orginally you had not done:

Secondly if Flyboy is unable to find any acts of compassion on this board that aren’t tied to racist, sexist or homophobic comments then clearly he's not looking hard enough. Macro I would suggest checking July of last year for an outpouring or warmth, concern and compassion, micro many posts in the conversation, from the one on best men to the many Barbelithians in need threads. Quite frankly I thought his post was so ill meant and utterly inaccurate as to be offensive to the many people who do show consideration and compassion routinely on Barbelith probably everyday. And even if that is not the case I don't really see the problem with answering snide comments with snide comments, as I didn't in the other thread you've bizarrely referenced.

First up, you may notice that you've changed what Flyboy said again - from "the best way" (itself, I would hazard, rhetorical) to "the only way" and "some people on Barbelith" to "all people on Barbelith":

Secondly if Flyboy is unable to find any acts of compassion on this board that aren’t tied to racist, sexist or homophobic comments

This makes it particularly bizarre that you then go on to suggest that the best way to get an outpouring of sympathy on Barbelith is... to be caught in the middle of a terrorist atrocity. Well, yeah, genius. However, since Flyboy did not say:

Astonishing: making racist, sexist and homophobic statements really is the only way to be on the receiving end of compassion from all people on Barbelith!

But rather:

Astonishing: making racist, sexist and homophobic statements really is the best way to be on the receiving end of an unprecedented amount of kindness and compliments and hand-holding from some people on Barbelith!

All this "how dare you slur Barbelith" stuff is a bit random, and again either means that you are tilting in headfirst without actually reading what he has said, which might be because you have decided to rely on what you said he said IN CAPS (this seems likely - you repeatedly use the word "compassion", which Flyboy did not), or that you are hoping that people will get caught up in your emotive claims that Flyboy is somehow disrespecting Barbelith and not look at what he actually said. Either way, you're rotting the thread, if only by responding to comments made on it in a parallel universe. A universe in which posts are the same as they are in our world... and yet strangely different.

*Theremin*

Now, the fact that you have pulled in the July 7 bombings I find particularly annoying. Part of the reason for that is personal and autobiographical, and also not really my reason to give. Part of it is that it is simple bad manners to try to Godwin like that - if the Republicans aren't allowed to say "9/11" as if it won every argument, the British aren't allowed to say "7/7". Especially if they are doing so in an attack on an argument that was never made.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:24 / 22.08.06
Who is "FB"?!?
 
 
Char Aina
17:42 / 22.08.06
ferris bueller.
he isnt in today.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:45 / 22.08.06
Are you sure? Have you called the register?
 
  

Page: 1 ... 7891011(12)1314151617

 
  
Add Your Reply