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"Heroes" Series 1 (US and Torrents edition)

 
  

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Olulabelle
21:08 / 27.02.07
Bringing this thread back to life because the other one is about SPECULATION and SPOILERS and not just general chit chat about episodes...

So what did we learn from that episode?

* That Hiro's Dad is Mr Big UberBoss of Everything.
* That the invisible man used to be Mr Bennet's sidekick.
* And that bizarrely somehow Gary Lineker has given up crisps and has instead infiltrated the show to become Mr Bennet's immediate boss.

Freakydeaky.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
03:26 / 28.02.07
i'm not sure Sulu is Uberboss... I'm thinking Linderman is, and it doesn't sound like they are the same person...

This was a pretty crackin' episode, almost as good as last week's... I think it suffered a bit from the same scene happening over and over again (Radioactive Man is bugshit crazy, Agent Weiss is freaking out cause somehow he forgot Radioactive Man is bugshit crazy, and Bennett just keeps smiling, as Claire perpetually scowls at someone, but somehow stays cute the whole time).

But all in all, the last couple have been quite intensely good.
 
 
Spaniel
07:16 / 28.02.07
Yeah, that was a great episode, and it was nice to see that the creators will happily abandon the usual format if they feel a storyline warrants it. TBH, I think this might've been my favourite episode yet - I'm just so much more invested in Claire's and Mr Bennet's arcs than I am in the rest, partially because I care about the characters and partially because this stuff feels like a very important piece of the mythology. With that in mind, however, it is worth pointing out that this episode, while revealing, wasn't quite a revelatory as one (if one were being silly) could have assumed it was going to be, and yet - and this is the thing - it was still rocking entertainment.

Which goes to prove my point, that mythology doesn't have to be - in fact shouldn't be - peoples' central interest when it comes to these shows, but that can only be achieved if the drama on offer is good drama, and that depends on good plotting, good dialogue and good acting. Personally I think the Heroes team are damn lucky to have Hayden Panettiere.

On a slightly more boring tip, what about Claire's mum and brother? Their discovery of the conspiracy is entirely out in the open, so shouldn't they be getting bumped off now that there's no Haitian around to wipe their memories? Seemed a bit brushed under the carpet to me.

Oh, and do we think Hiro's Dad knows about his son's abilities, and if he does why did he let him stay in America? My fi-ance suggested that perhaps his Dad, despite what he knows about the world, thinks his son the comic geek is a bit of a delusional fantasist. I like that explanation, it's humorous and elegant.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:45 / 28.02.07
That was so breathtakingly best. I had given up on this show's power to interest me, let alone move me ~ but I still feel on the edge of weepiness after watching it. As a self-contained episode, I almost feel it should win prizes. It was beautiful in its visual and narrative echoes ~ the fact that as soon as they're in the car, we know where Bennet is taking Claire, because of the earlier flashback ~ and plain visually beautiful at times, whether in the noirish past or the stunning, surreal visions of Claire's face burned off. They really are making art out of her superhuman power, and Panettiere is making an incredible portrait of a real young woman out of what could have been pretty corny, cardboard stuff. Like her ability or curse, she's all about change, damage and growth ~ her slightly chubby, soft, sulky face, more interesting than any technically-prettier stock starlet, seems always a little malleable and unfixed: denting, crumpling, hardening as she passes from being a fire-hardened heroine to her dad's little Clairebear, and back again. There was a moment in their flashback, where she learned about being adopted, where she shivered across that boundary from little girl to distant woman, and then softened back again for her dad's benefit. She will be a great actress, if she isn't already.

Jack Coleman as Bennet has pulled off something remarkable in this series too, from being the obvious villain to something way more subtle. I never would have thought that character and actor could touch me the way they just did.
 
 
Spaniel
20:57 / 28.02.07
Talking about powers as art, I thought the 'splodey man's talent was really well presented. His ability made that room look like the inside of a microwave gone wrong - absolutely horrible and very intimidating.

I kept imagining myself cooking from the inside.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:46 / 28.02.07
I think Claire coming out of the house was utterly brilliant. TBM was making bets about her still having all her clothes on, and then what we were actually faced with was Claire without her jaw on, let alone her clothes. Fucking amazing.
 
 
Slim
01:40 / 01.03.07
It was a tad inconsistent, though. One bullet can stop her but she walks away from a huge radioactive explosion that cooks her like a steak?
 
 
grant
03:07 / 01.03.07
He took a bullet for her....

Aw, man.

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Now, someone explain how it is he works for Hiro's dad. I mean the mechanics of it. The structure.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:38 / 01.03.07
And why would a bullet in her stomach cough up into her mouth? Surely her stomach would squeeze it out as it healed, or just seal up around it.

Still ~ it's an art show, not a science show.
 
 
Spaniel
07:05 / 01.03.07
There's a pretty long tradition of invulnerable type folks coughing up bullets, I suppose it just fits with that.
 
 
Spaniel
07:05 / 01.03.07
Before I do, Grant, can you answer my questions? Huh? Well can ya?

Didn't think so. I win. Again.
 
 
grant
14:34 / 01.03.07
1. I don't think Claire was shot in the stomach -- wasn't it the chest?

2. On a slightly more boring tip, what about Claire's mum and brother? Their discovery of the conspiracy is entirely out in the open, so shouldn't they be getting bumped off now that there's no Haitian around to wipe their memories? Seemed a bit brushed under the carpet to me.

I think they're fucked. There's definitely something going on with them next, cuz Bennett's boss was giving them the eye out there in the yard. Of course, the Haitian's such a cipher, he could just put Claire somewhere safe and loop back to be back on the job later that day.

3. Oh, and do we think Hiro's Dad knows about his son's abilities, and if he does why did he let him stay in America?
He totally knows ("Parenthood changes a man! Take this baby!"). He *has* to know. He's in the business, in some way. Why let the boy roam around America? I'm sure Hiro's on some kind of safe list or being watched over or something. He already got picked up once pretty easily. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Linderman turned out to be some kind of junior partner of whatever conglomerate Takei is running.

So there!
 
 
gridley
14:38 / 01.03.07
Of course, the Haitian's such a cipher, he could just put Claire somewhere safe and loop back to be back on the job later that day.

See now, I was under the impression that Eric Roberts told Bennent to kill the Haitian because he'd bretrayed the cause. And that's why they came up with the scheme to make it look like the Haitian beat Bennent to his gun, tried to kill him and then kidnapped Claire.

Of course, the Haitian could have just erased the family's memories back at the house right after the explosion.
 
 
Spaniel
14:42 / 01.03.07
I think he must know too, but, fuck, if you were a crazy mastermind guy would you really let a superhuman that powerful just roam about whimsically muttering things about being a hero and having a quest? I bloody wouldn't.

Doesn't seem to fit with their heavy mob m.o., so firmly established last episode.

Later for more counter argument
 
 
Spaniel
17:50 / 01.03.07
That last post was a bit crap: I was running for a train.

Basically, assuming that Hiro's dad does know about his powers, I think there will have to be an explanation for his willingness to let Hiro trot off on his mission, otherwise it just won't fit with what we know about these people. It needs unpacking.

I think you've got it right about the Haitian, Grids, but quite why the Haitian would've erased there memories I don't know, and even if he did, he would've had to have done it after the events at the house were well and truly resolved as he wasn't around when Evil Lineker turned up, and he clearly couldn't have done the job previously. And if he did return to do it, what then? Would Evil Lineker believe that they genuinely didn't remember, or would he opt to kill them just in case? I don't know, I'm struggling to make this work in my head.

Grant, he really is a huge cipher, isn't he, but I can't see him wiping everyones' minds (including Evil Lineker) in the short term as that would make all that stuff with Bennet redundant, and I just don't see that happening.
 
 
grant
19:14 / 01.03.07
Oh, I was just missing the whole big-boss-ordered-him-dead thing with the Haitian.

I completely lost track of who knew exactly what about who by the end there -- it was just so gloriously cataclysmic. How did Parkman wind up conked out and back in the factory?

If the Haitian's still in the firm's good graces -- or, y'know, they could have some other employee with some similar talent....

I also suspect Hiro's dad knows that Hiro can do something, and can probably also do something himself. (He just doesn't need to because he has *real* power. Just a suspicion, though.) It's too much to swallow that Hiro would just turn out to be talented by happenstance given that scene where his dad hands baby Claire to her dad.
 
 
Red Concrete
19:31 / 01.03.07
Well, it could be that Hiro is also an adoptee.

Anyone have any thoughts on the whole Ability Negation type thing that was assumed to be coming from the Haitian? Actually, that's more of a Speculation and Spoilers question, but maybe I missed something in previous episodes...?
 
 
Spaniel
19:51 / 01.03.07
Well, he seems to be a psychic dampener in that Parkman's abilties have repeatedly failed to work in his presence.

Hiro almost certainly has something to do with that Japanese superdude of old, and, yeah, I completely agree that his Dad very likely knows about the lad's powers. Still doesn't explain why he's allowed Hiro to go on his little jaunt, tho'
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:08 / 06.03.07
it was nice of them to tell me who Linderman was gonna turn out to be in the opening credits... sigh.

But, aside from that, this show has been firing on all cylinders for the past couple weeks...I was never quite as convinced by this show as others, but I've definitely been proven wrong. Too bad we have another break! WTF!
 
 
e-n
13:20 / 06.03.07
Just watched 16 and 17 and wailed like small child whose toys have been taken.

Twice.

Once when Claire-bear was shot (even though I knew she'd regenerate, dumbass) and again with her and her dad on the bridge.
The whole thing with Parkman just standing there while everyone mind-shouted at him was just brilliant.

My god this is fantastic stuff.

With Hiro's Dad I can just "squee" for now, they way that these episodes were put together means that the producers have my trust to do what they wilt, especially since Peter is becoming such a BADASS!

I'll have to watch 14 and Hiro's dad again but I think I buy into the whole "Jeez my son is Such a fuckwit" argument. I mean he might have a history of wasting time wiith sci-fi & comics, and not excelling in his Dad-given job, which may just be my opinion....or Dad's afraid he'll just 'port out if confronted.

Either that or Hiro's already been tagged, which raises interetseting thoughts about future Hiro, and what HIS motivations might be (could he be working for the PAPER FACTORY?!)

OR Dad realises Hiro has to come around to seeing the world as he does, and doesn't know about his powers, (offering him the job of VP seems a lot more interesting now)
And forget Evil Lineker, its clearly Eric Roberts, he of so many, many bad roles in movies and film(didn't South Park or something have a joke about him?).

possible answers:
Claire got shot in the chest/throat maybe and it lodged in her oesophagus?

The Haitian has brain powers, so does Parkman, they cancel each other out perhaps, and for the rest of the guests of primatech it was just sedative?

In 16, when Simone and Nathan were talking, was the whole thing about rounding up the 'supers and sticking them in a lab on an island somewhere in the middle of the ocean a dig at Lost. I don't care if it was. Lost is dead to me now after this.

Question:
Who is the Haitian (give the guys a name fer gawds sake) talking about when he says, and I quote, "I answewr to someone whose orders supersede yours.....in your daughters life"???
 
 
gridley
13:27 / 06.03.07
Who is the Haitian (give the guys a name fer gawds sake) talking about when he says, and I quote, "I answewr to someone whose orders supersede yours.....in your daughters life"???

Just a guess, but how about Nathan's mother?
 
 
buttergun
14:45 / 06.03.07
That new shapeshifting girl is a worse actor than Mohinder. My god she's bad. I sometimes think the casting director for Heroes is some hormonally-driven 14 year-old boy.

Speaking of bad, so who really thinks Mohinder is a goner? I doubt it.
 
 
gridley
19:45 / 06.03.07
I actually liked Mohinder for most of this episode. I hadn't suspected that he was playing Sylar.

Personally, I hope that Hiro goes like ten years into the future (if he's not already there) and finds a post-apocalyptic, half-crazy version of Mohinder with robot arms and brings him back to the present to hunt down Sylar.

Robot arms that shoot lasers.
 
 
grant
21:03 / 06.03.07
HE TOOK APART PETER'S HEAD! HE TOOK APART PETER'S HEAD!!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:23 / 06.03.07
I really shouldn't have read the end of this thread before watching the episode ~ but hey, nobody is talking about Life on Mars.

the whole thing about rounding up the 'supers and sticking them in a lab on an island somewhere in the middle of the ocean a dig at Lost.

I think I remember that I considered this a reference to Watchmen, at the time ~ doesn't Adrian Veidt stick all his scientists and artists in a lab on an island in the ocean?
 
 
Slim
23:25 / 06.03.07
What is it with people on this show??? Sylar is looney-tunes insane, a mass-murderer and more powerful than anyone they've ever seen. Mohinder proved again why he's one of the worst characters on the show. SHOOT HIM. DON'T TRY TO TALK HIM TO DEATH.
 
 
buttergun
12:29 / 07.03.07
Yeah, but Sylar is currently the best thing about Heroes. I'm impressed the actor (can't recall his name) has been given a chance -- back when he was in Season 3 of 24, all they had him do was sit around and pout.
 
 
Spaniel
12:38 / 07.03.07
Yes! Robot arms and lasers!

A very enjoyable episode, I just hope they bother to explain just how the sword gave Hiro back his mojo. Sticks out like a sore thumb of whimsical weirdness if you ask me. And, no, I will not accept the explanation that equates the sword with his self-esteem/confidence/willy size - Hiro just hasn't been acting like a man in crisis.

So, there's another break? I thought Heroes was only going to suffer one bout of disruption. Was I wrong or is this a new development? I'm properly cross now.

Heroes does have an astonishingly big cast, eh?
 
 
Sniv
12:51 / 07.03.07
As I was watching ep18 last night, my partner and I were firing theories off about this and that, only to see them all pretty much happen in the same episode! Wonders never cease! American mainstream drama, actually setting something up and paying it off in the same episode! I may need to have a sit down now, I'm over-excited....

I thought that the Mohinder/Sylar scenes were excellent, and managed to pack into some 15 minutes what Lost would have spent half a season on. I was expecting a slightly half-assed episode after the amazing one last week, but this show has really really raised its game since returning from the Xmas break. I don't think there's a single storyline that isn't doing it for me at the moment, they are all coming together very satisfactorally. Even the Nikki storyline which seems to be the least popular around the web is coming along in leaps and bounds since she came out her rubber-room.

I think Mrs Petrelli being involved (in a big way, it seems), just pushes the show forward even more. I think it's almost certain that the late Mr Petrelli wasn't just a manic-depressive suicide-addict, he must have been a Power too. It explains where Nathan and Pete got their powers from (as the genes seem to be at least partially inheireted) and leaves some great questions as to exactly how did he die (if he is dead at all). I think there's a big story to be told about the last generation of Heroes, and Claude and Bennett's quest to catch them. What if Claude killed Peter's father?

And Lindermann... 'bout time! That whole scene was brilliant, so tense and mysterious. All we have heard about this guy, all we really know is that he is a bit (okay, very) dodgy and he is a collector. Where does he fit in the the scheme of things, dear Barbelith? Do we think he's going to become Heroes' Doctor Doom or Lex Luthor, or will he bit a little more ambiguous than we've been led to expect? Mr Bennett was baddie no. 1 at the start of the season, remember?

The one thing that bugged me about last episode was Mohinder - he's a scientist, right? So, if you have this powers-stealing serial killer tied-up and helpless in front of you, wouldn't you ask, just for curiosity's sake, how exactly he gets the powers from the victims' gooey brain-matter into his own brain? What does he do, slurp it up through a straw or something? I think it's amusing how the rabit internet community has just kinda dropped this massive plot hole, given how much we were talking and theorising about how it worked last year. Have we just decided to let them get away with it?
 
 
Spaniel
14:41 / 07.03.07
It's been dropped (at least for the time being) because it isn't actually a plot hole in that it doesn't actually effect the plot in any substantial way. What it does affect is the consistency of the world's internal logic, which is a problem, if a very, very small one in this instance.

The thing to bear in mind here is that writing detail like that in can be quite difficult. You're getting into raw exposition and possibly sci-fi babble territory and that stuff tends to put a lot of people off.

Sorry to be a pedant, but the term "plot hole" gets thrown around far too much, imo.
 
 
Spaniel
14:47 / 07.03.07
Wonders never cease! American mainstream drama, actually setting something up and paying it off in the same episode! I may need to have a sit down now, I'm over-excited...

It really is quite astonishing.

Glad to see that they dealt with Claire's family off the bat, even if I was left with a few little niggles. They're all back in the shit now, though, eh?
 
 
grant
16:37 / 07.03.07
Has anyone tried to figure out the physics of the powers in Heroes?

I mean, it's one, identifiable mutation that causes all these weird abilities. How could they all be seen as facets of one thing? That's how Sylar is absorbing them, right?

I think they all have to have something in common.
 
 
Sniv
16:39 / 07.03.07
Sorry to be a pedant, but the term "plot hole" gets thrown around far too much, imo.

That's cool, I was being lazy with the 'plot hole' biz. It's not so much a plot hole, I guess, but something that I would assume is motivating Mohinder's character: the search for knowledge. Surely if he has this guy who can steal powers via lobotomy, he would want to find out exactly how it is done, right? It would be the among the first things I would want to know, anyway. I guess Mohinder's main motivation is that Sylar killed his father though, so it's perhaps forgivable that he neglected his duties as a scientist to be a grieving son for a bit. Maybe seeing Peter dissected in front of him will help to clear up the confusion (although that is obviously not going to happen seeing Peter has Claire's powers - I hope that catches Sylar and gives him a clue to Peter's true power, that would be interesting).

So is this back on next week or what? Heroes going back on a break makes the Lost gaps seem almost bearable, I can hardly wait between weeks, let alone longer!
 
 
Spaniel
16:50 / 07.03.07
It's not back until the 23rd of April. Arses!
 
 
gridley
16:51 / 07.03.07
So, if you have this powers-stealing serial killer tied-up and helpless in front of you, wouldn't you ask, just for curiosity's sake, how exactly he gets the powers from the victims' gooey brain-matter into his own brain?

I agree, but really we don't know that he didn't. The writers could show us that later in flashback, perhaps as some point when he has one of our heroes captured and the rescue clock is ticking.

So is this back on next week or what?

Not til April 23rd, sadly.
 
  

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