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"Heroes" Series 1 (US and Torrents edition)

 
  

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Kali, Queen of Kitteh
16:13 / 10.12.06
I like this paragraph from TWoP's current recap of the show.

After the break, Peter's sitting in his cell, intermittently coughing and looking like death slightly warmed over a Bunsen burner in the corner of a dirty meth lab. Claire approaches with a cop and her dad. Peter immediately leaps up off his bed and looks as happy to see her as a man who looks like he's about to hork up a lung can look. He's relieved to see that she's okay and she says, "Thanks to you." Aw. Bennet introduces himself and shakes Peter's hand and thanks him for saving his Claire Bear from a second visit to the morgue. Although, on a side note here, if Sylar really had attempted to take Claire's brain, wouldn't she just have healed as quickly as he would have tried to cut into her? He'd be all, cut cut cut and she'd be all, I'll see your cut and raise you a heal and it would just go back and forth until finally, exhausted, Sylar just dropped her and ran off to steal some other Hero's invisibility or something? That's the problem with these superpowers -- some of them just lead to too many damn questions.
 
 
Spaniel
13:46 / 11.12.06
But the thing is, Slagar, the worst thing that could happen to your protagonist is exactly what most writers would want to dramatise. It's good dramatic practice.

I agree that Peter's vision is unlikely to come true as is and that it says a lot about Peter's personal fears, but seeing as we have established that Peter's visions do seem to contain some kind of clairvoyant element, I think there may be some factual stuff outwith Peter's internal state and knowledge base being communicated here*. We'll see.



*This is where tying it to the radioactive guy starts to make sense, methinks.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
14:36 / 11.12.06
The streets of NY could have been evacuated because there is a guy spewing radiation out all over the place.

That is, if the dream refers to Radiation Guy.
 
 
slagar
16:07 / 11.12.06
there is still no connection between Peter and the Radioactive Man and Peter's dreams are not precognitive. he does not have the power to tell the future on his own.

Peter's power is not one that is easily understood by it's user. Hiro's time and space, Claire's healing, Isaac's painting are all easily figured out by the user once they realize they have the power. Peter thought he could fly because that was the first power he encountered. once he started meeting other powered types he realized something else was going on. it wasn't until his dream, in the jail cell, he fully realized he could absorbed other's powers. he tells Nathen about it after the dream. it's in his dreams where he gets taught about his power and how to use it. the last dream was a warning, not about Radioactive Man, but about himself.

those who belive it is a "vision" of Peter blowing up because he is either Radioactive Man or absorbed the powers of him have yet to establish the connection between Peter and him. once that is done i'll believe it a bit more. i do believe we'll just have to wait until the show restarts to find out what it all means, though.
 
 
Spaniel
16:31 / 11.12.06
I'm not saying that Peter is necessarily precognitive - in fact I don't think he is (2 psychics in the show? Yes; 2 precogs? No) - I'm saying that his visions have a clairvoyant quality, in that they reveal things he couldn't know, and or give him a perspective he couldn't possibly have (his brother's, for example). The threat posed by the radioactive man is simply one of those previously unknown things, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't expect events to turn out the way they did in the vision, but I expect the next half of the series to be haunted by that threat. Why do I think this? Because it's a pretty elementary dramatic construction: confront protagonist with potential awful threat, protagonist then works to avoid/overcome threat.

Betcha a quid.
 
 
X-Himy
16:39 / 11.12.06
There is a dreamwalker in the show, who has already intervened in Mohinder's dreams. It is possible that he could be sending the same sort to Peter.
 
 
Spaniel
16:40 / 11.12.06
And, er, to link Peter exploding to the radioactive man you only need a basic grasp of logic. Looking for another explanation is surely an exercise in redundancy at this juncture.

1) We know that there is a man (Sprague) who has the power to explode
2) We know that there is another man (Peter) who can absord the powers of others
3) We know of no mechanism by which Peter can explode other than by absorbing Sprague's powers

Conclusion: If Peter were to explode the most likely explanation would be that he had absorbed Sprague's powers.

Okay, not rock solid, but hardly a crazy leap, eh?
 
 
Spaniel
16:40 / 11.12.06
Himy, good point!
 
 
Mouse
17:13 / 11.12.06
Boboss, you're missing what Peter knows. If he is unaware of Sprague at the moment then he'll not be dreaming about taking on Sprague's powers.

However, I'm not trying to say you're wrong really, since he does know that New York is going boom soon.
 
 
Spaniel
18:00 / 11.12.06
No, I'm totally aware of what Peter knows, I'm saying that Peter's vision reveals things to him that he doesn't yet understand but we can make sense of because we can see the bigger picture. It's yer bog standard dramatuc irony in effect: the viewer knows more than the character, but the character needs to know what the viewer knows. The viewer then waits to see if the character can discover the truth before it's too late.
 
 
Spaniel
18:01 / 11.12.06
What Peter knows is this: there's a possibility of him exploding in the near future.

Peter now has to find out how that could come about.
 
 
Tamayyurt
18:14 / 11.12.06
Exactly, he doesn't know Nikki or DL and still they were in his dream.

In the beginning before the show even started weren't they describing Peter as an empath? So far all he's doing is mimicking powers but what if he can also feel/sense other people with powers? Would this manifest as weird dreams?

I'll try to find an old blurb of the show and confirm if they refer to him as an empath.
 
 
Spaniel
18:19 / 11.12.06
Exactly, he doesn't know Nikki or DL and still they were in his dream.

Very true.
 
 
slagar
19:11 / 11.12.06
3) We know of no mechanism by which Peter can explode other than by absorbing Sprague's powers.

Yet.

i must have missed the episode where they explained Peter's powers -- oh, what a minute, that was the last episode aired.

explain why he was getting sick in the last episode, when Claire was there for him to borrow healing powers from?

he was exposed to too many powers. because he didn't control his power - the message from Sylar in the dream while he was being held - he absorbed too much power to control and it was taxing his body. after which he has dream where he explodes.

the presence of the others in the dream are warnings for Peter to stay away from, as they have powers which will be a danger to him until he has control of his power. the dream was a warning, not a prediction of things to come. a warning of what might come.

let's try a different approach, what is the penalty for Peter's power? are they going to let him load an unlimited number of powers?
 
 
Char Aina
21:59 / 11.12.06
what if he got a big dose of syler, while looking in his eyes?
he'd be able to see how syler 'works', and that would almost certainly be a horrendous experience.
he might be filled with the urge to kill him, becoming the flawed hero he's just begging to be.
 
 
Spaniel
09:05 / 12.12.06
Slagar, of course "yet", that's why I said it wasn't a rock solid case. But frankly I don't feel the need to look for answers to questions that I already have a satisying answers for - hence my comments about redundancy above. Now, to be clear, I don't think I've suggested anywhere that I think your views on Peter's abilties having a cost are wrongheaded, and at this juncture I think it's more than possible that Peter can overload on other people's powers - giving him limits would seem a sensible strategy from a dramatic point of view, and the last episode did seem to point in that direction. In addition, if it does turn out that Peter's abilities have a cost, then I think it's quite plausible that 'splodey Peter has been overexposed, it's just that I see over-exposure as potentially a necessary or contributory factor in the process leading to the explosion, but not a factor that sufficiently explains the process by itself. In my book Peter having contact with Sprague would be needed for an explosion to take place whether he suffers from over-exposure or not, for reasons that I have gone into above.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:43 / 12.12.06
let's try a different approach, what is the penalty for Peter's power? are they going to let him load an unlimited number of powers?

Somewhere I read that because Peter is able to absorb the powers of others that it's going to cost him his health. As we can see, that's becoming very evident.

[SPOILER DELETED]
 
 
Spaniel
14:01 / 12.12.06
Kali, forgive me if I'm incorrect, but aren't you, once again, into spoiler territory? I hate to say it but I'm seriously thinking about putting you on ignore.

I mean, what fucking [Spoiler removed]
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
14:15 / 12.12.06
Claude?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:18 / 12.12.06
He was mentioned on this thread earlier, I thought. If not, please do remove the post. I apologise.
 
 
Spaniel
14:29 / 12.12.06
I'm not sure if he should have been, but I think Claude was mentioned earlier. Whatever, I do know who he is thanks to a certain person's lack of self control.

Kali, I don't think you should move to delete your post*, just the spoilers therein, otherwise Elijah and I will have to get someone to delete ours and the work will mount up.

Look, I really hate getting cross with you about this stuff. It's not pleasant and it makes me feel like the grumpy bad guy, but I really wish you'd think before you post spoilerific material outside of the spoilerific thread.



*That's your responsibility, I'm afraid. I don't mod this forum.
 
 
Char Aina
14:30 / 12.12.06
he wasnt.
you can check that using ctrl+f, as i just did. it took me less than ten seconds to check the whole thread.
and dude, you can also delete your own posts.

stop pissing in the pool.
as much as it may make you giggle to think of us all swimming in your spoiler urine, it isnt cool, and it isnt what people are here for.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:37 / 12.12.06
In other news, here's an interesting story: Claire's friend Zach has been retroactively "inned".

Because, you know, a show about coming to terms with difference and Otherness has no room for a gay character. Obviously.
 
 
calgodot
17:51 / 12.12.06
Because, you know, a show about coming to terms with difference and Otherness has no room for a gay character. Obviously.

Dude, there are no gay superheroes (or gay superhero sidekicks)! Didn't decades of the Marvel and DC universe, where a super-powered Ted Haggard has apparently cured everyone of their homosexuality, teach you this lesson?

(Oh, and: Darth Vader is Luke's father!!!!!!!!!!)
 
 
Jack Fear
18:12 / 12.12.06
MOTHERFUCKER I KEEELL YOU
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
00:55 / 13.12.06
Oh. Wow.

Thanks be to Haus for moving to delete unintended spoilery post.

Again, it is never my intention to ruin things for anyone else on the thread and I sometimes wish I had more of the foresight to think before I post things. (In this thread, or any thread at all for that matter.) I deeply apologise for the anger and pissiness this has caused.

Everyone play nice again, please.
 
 
Jack Fear
20:43 / 17.01.07
This just in: HEROES has been picked up for a second season.

Also: new episodes start airing next Monday in the States. Can't fucking wait.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
16:57 / 18.01.07
That squeal you just heard?

Me.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:45 / 23.01.07
And we're back.

Last night's episode was pretty good all things considering. I revise my opinion to include that Niki and Matt's arcs are the weakest of the show. I like Greg Gunberg, but he doesn't seem to have a whole lot to do here, bless his heart.

I feel bad for Claire because she really is alone with no one to talk to about what happened because Daddy, well, hell, Daddy has some controlling interest in all of the heroes, doesn't he? I am impressed that he keeps Sylar under control, but of course, that's got to backfire at some point.

Hiro's bit at the Natural History Museum was the highlight for me.

On the downside, don't tell me there's going to be Christopher Eccleston only to tease me with a few minutes of him at the end of the show. He does look fucking great, though.

Now that we've gone past the "save the world, save the cheerleader" storyline (seemingly), is the upcoming explosion going to be the only thing that drives this show forward?
 
 
Jack Fear
19:59 / 23.01.07
The potential fiery annihilation of ten million people isn't a strong enough narrative hook to keep you involved? My, you are jaded...

I thought Claire's loneliness played out beautifully. She's the one who's changed and grown the most, I think—and she's playing a dangerous game, pretending to be mindwiped and trying to live a "normal" life with a "father" she knows to be very dangerous, whose true motives she cannot begin to guess, and with only The Haitian to confide in—and he only speaks in fucking koans. I found the tentative reestablishment of her friendship with Zach the most affecting part of the episode.

Hayden Panettiere has a remarkable face—soft features, more cute than really pretty, but with a haunted quality. She has a brilliant smile, but it's deployed seldom; Claire's happiness is either fleeting (as in her moments with Peter and Zach) or feigned (as with HRG). It's not a flashy performance, but it works.

Less so Ali Larter's Niki/Jessica, whose Smeagol/Gollum high-voice/low-voice routine quickly grew tiresome. And that last line—"Who needs God when you've got me?"—oh, man, who farted? Open a window, cos something fucking stinks in here!
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
21:29 / 23.01.07
Boggles my mind that Hayden/Claire is actually big big friends with Paris Hilton and that ilk... because her performance comes off as so genuine and down-to-earth. She really is a special actress and does that role perfectly. Her and Hiro are the definite standouts in the show.

The Bros. Petrelli continue to annoy.

Thank god Parkman told his wife... I was really hoping they weren't going to beat that horse/issue bloody...
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
21:35 / 23.01.07
I missed the first 30 seconds of the show. Do we have any idea HOW they got Sylar back into custody after the last episode, or am I remembering the last episode wrong.

As far as I recall, the last we saw of Sylar he was going to kill Eden and it seemed like she shot herself. In this episode we find out that she DID shoot herself, but Sylar is still in a cage.
 
 
Spaniel
10:56 / 24.01.07
No idea, I'm afraid. They skipped explaining that, I think.

The main problem for me with the Nikki/Jessica story arc is that it still doesn't have much to do with the main plot, add to that Ali Larter's less than great acting and it is starting to get a bit tiresome. 'Sweird really, 'cause the arc in question has a whole load of dramatic potential - it should be fantastically entertaining but sadly it really isn't.

I completely agree about Hayden. It seems as if there was a conscious effort to present her as more grown up in this ep. There was something, not just about her acting or the character's growth, but in the way she looked, in the clothes she was wearing, the way her hair was styled, that said "older".
 
 
Paralis
13:51 / 24.01.07
I thought this last was a bit of a mess. Two parts, specifically.

The Parkman thing. He and Radioactive Ted seemed to agree that the Haitian was the mentalist. Even if Parkman doesn't see him in the background in Primatech, surely he's got to be alert to the idea that he might be there (he's been stalking them for weeks, after all)? Why doesn't he take any steps to see that his psychic eavesdropping isn't blocked (seems like separate interrogations of the Haitian and HRG would be enough). If this gets Special Agent Clea Duvall off the show, though, so much the better.

Speaking of Radioactive Ted, though, how is he out of federal custody? He's been identified not only as a generally dangerous mutant, but as an informally confessed murderer.

But the new heroes should make things more interesting, and anything that gives shape to the Linderman questions should only be a good thing. Here's hoping that provides enough space to just phase out Niki and Parkman.
 
 
Spaniel
14:17 / 24.01.07
Somehow I think that won't happen. We're only just getting started with these characters, love 'em or loathe 'em.
 
  

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