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Grant Morrison's Batman

 
  

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Triplets
19:17 / 23.12.07
Batman (face not shaved) is throwing an old man (I think it's Rah's daddy) into ninjas with one hand

Taken at face value, what's not to like? Honestly?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
19:33 / 23.12.07
was the BLACK CASEBOOK mini-arc not finished yet or was it be getting confused by the Ras crossover? i know it's building to the other planet + batmite plot, but i feel i'm missing something.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
19:50 / 23.12.07
Next week's issue, from DC Comics.com:

The Gotham Police HQ is taken over by the mysterious Third Batman who begins to kill cops, working his way towards Jim Gordon as he tells his tale and waits for his prize: the life of the Dark Knight, in exchange for the lives of the precinct cops. What dark secret from Batman's past lies behind the creation of the Impostor Batmen? Guest starring Bat-Mite!

From the looks of future issues the Resurrection of Whathisname will tie in to the Three Batmen/Bat-Mite plot.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:02 / 26.12.07
Guest starring Bat-Mite!

Bring on the dinner.
 
 
The Falcon
10:46 / 26.12.07
Preview, looks alright.
 
 
FinderWolf
11:21 / 28.12.07
brief Wizard blurbs with Mozzer about his upcoming year of Batman stuff:

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“We’re actually doing the Club of Villains that was hinted at but people didn’t actually get to see,” promises Morrison. “For me the big thing is to get to do the Joker again. I set him up to be really spooky and badass this time, so I’m looking forward to bringing him back.”

Later in the year, Morrison puts his twist on 1963’s Batman issue #156. “It’s building off of that story ‘Robin Dies at Dawn,’” he reveals. “I thought there was basically a really cool story to be told about the fact that Batman underwent this [space isolation] experiment, which turned him insane for a couple of weeks and has been forgotten in history.”
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:08 / 28.12.07
Aw, man. This was like the most awesome and crazy Batman ish ever and

a) My copy had the most offset and blurry covers ever
b) I really wish someone a little less straight forward had drawn it
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:11 / 28.12.07
Colors, I mean. The colors were absolutely a disaster.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
23:42 / 28.12.07
"I walked all the way from from hell.
With a secret to tell.
About Batman and me."

I heart this book.

Has anyone figured out what old issue these three Batmen are from? I assume they're from an old issue, because they keep talking like they are. Are they from the Batman #113 like the Zur-En-Arrh thing? (see page five of this thread) Has anyone actually red Batman 113? And thank god the Ra's crossover is done with.... oy.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:35 / 29.12.07
Batman to me has been Morrison on the rocks so far, with strong bits in-between the more watered-down nostalgic stuff [although we all know you can only go so far with those big properties]. but the end of this issue points to maybe a hint of more pure Mozz being poured in the mix. much welcomed.
 
 
THX-1138
14:07 / 30.12.07
Re: Batman # 672
That last page looked like it was drawn by Mcfarlane, the lettering in that page and the final panel on the previous page were also very Spawn/McFarlane-like no? It doesn't match the rest of the issues lettering.
There were other bits that struck me like the Miller-ish Batman page (right after the base jump thing...) And the heart attack also from Millers DKR??
One panel reminded me of Bane of all things. Don't know why.
Then of course there's the mask panel,(and look at that silhouette) didn't GM write a LotDK story featuring masks or something?
 
 
The Falcon
14:47 / 30.12.07
No. I think James Robinson maybe did, though.

As to why you'd think of Bane, perhaps it was "Muller" whose design intentionally echoes his, made you think of that?

Btw, a few of the above-mentioned issues - Batman #113 and #155 anyway, oh and the first Bat-Mite one iirc, are collected in Batman in the Fifties. As is The Interplanetary Batman which sounds a laugh. The original Club of Heroes isn't in it, mind, but the issue after is.
 
 
The Falcon
15:51 / 30.12.07
#156, I meant - and that whole superimposed "A SPECIMEN" face on the Third Man at the end there comes direct from the two-part tale 'Robin Dies at Dawn'; as does "space medicine", #672's title - it's basically about halluinatory paranoia (the face is that of a moving stone idol) caused by deep isolation, quite likely a bit of surrogate nervousness being processed... I think I see where we're going here, at any rate.
 
 
Spaniel
13:30 / 02.01.08
Yes, there was a whole bunch of deliberate references lurking in thissun', which should come as no surprise considering Morrison's arc has been littered with that kind of thing.

I can see where we're going too: Morrison Land.

Looking back over the run it's pretty clear we've been heading for a collision with some good ol' grantizizied weirdness since the get go. The aforementioned nostalgia, while prominent, the genre work, while central, are simply facets of something much stranger, a halluncinatory Batfever dream with a whiff of David Lynch or dare I say Haruki Murakami about it.

Or so I'd like to think.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:40 / 02.01.08
yeah, maybe this will start to make sense soon too. I love Morrison and his hallucinogenic drug trip-type stories, just trying to figure some stuff out here...

As in, what exactly is the deal with the three Batmen? Did the 3rd crazy Batman actually come 'from hell'? Is that the real Bats' finger writing the magic words to summon the Bat-Mite? (I think it is - and if so, "En Sabah Nur" or whatever it is are magic words that Batman has in his bag of tricks as a really extreme backup plan) Does any of this have anything to do with the Damian alternate future Batman from #666? (it should)
 
 
Spaniel
15:52 / 02.01.08
I'd imagine "hell" is something as-above-so-belowish, what with this almost certainly having to do with the expulsion of the Bat Demons in Nanda Parbat (or whether the ritual took place - I can't remember).

Come on, Finder, of course the dark future Damien Batman from the dark future and all this are linked. In fact, it seems to me that all the incarnations of Batman are gonna factor in here.
 
 
The Falcon
16:44 / 02.01.08
Yeah, anti-Batman3 probably isn't the Damien tulpa I'd envisaged back then, though. Murakamiesque actually sounds a really solid description: the externalisation of internal turmoil which, generally, is a Grant-staple too.

FW, I'd imagine the Gotham PD in their creation of Batplacements has subjected Branca, Muller and #3 to some sort of hell-ish experience; one which, non-causally, will be borne on by Bruce's personal Nanda Parbat exorcism likely.
 
 
Spaniel
17:26 / 02.01.08
I suspect tulpa is as good a word as any in that whatever their genesis, they would appear to be approximating tulpaesque roles.

FW, I'd imagine the Gotham PD in their creation of Batplacements has subjected Branca, Muller and #3 to some sort of hell-ish experience; one which, non-causally, will be borne on by Bruce's personal Nanda Parbat exorcism likely.

This is a much fuller explanation of "as-above-so belowish"
 
 
The Natural Way
07:25 / 03.01.08
I don't have much to sat beyond, I loved this ish. I love the 3 Batmen, they are very weird and good, and, if you jettison the R'as issues (as they will probably be in the trade), then I think the whole thing hangs together as one of the funnest bat-tales since I was a kid reading Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle's stuff. And there's a fight in every issue, too...

Loved the 'Bat-signal went on in my brain' line.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:27 / 17.01.08
Don't remember seeing this here. Since Morrison interviews I tend to find out through here, I'm assuming it wasn't posted.

Morrison interviews Neal Adams about Ra's, and dialogue a bit about Batman on... Wizard.

Nothing new or much of a deal if you aren't keen on Adams. And it's a bit Wizard-ish.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:59 / 18.01.08
thanks for the link.

Adams could have been the artist for Ra's comeback; that would have been great.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:05 / 31.01.08
Purification ritual explained in new issue, out today (which also seemingly explains why Bat-Mite showed up last page of last ish)! (I always loved it when 70s comics editors called an issue an 'ish'.) The mystery of the Three Batman deepens...
 
 
LDones
05:00 / 31.01.08
There's a lot going on in this issue, and it was a good issue, but it still left me a little cold - probably from the art feeling rushed. It also kind of relies on a cursory familiarity with the old Robin Dies At Dawn issue, and the Batman-cleansing idea from 52, which I kind of feel detracts. Still, lots of little touches, the bit about writing all purple and hard-boiled because it entertains Alfred is pure gold.

On page 14, Bat-Mite as the playful Bat-Mask Of Death is a great interpretation, that spindly-limbed ghoul holding him out just in front to communicate - casting the sillier elements of the Batman mythos as the healthy coping elements of same; which infers that Batman is an unhealthy idea without them. All of this still really about the mythic and allegorical framework of coping with death/senselessness, bat as existential abyss.

On page 15 there are 3 Robin caskets, one of them Stephanie Brown's, and the final page plus next issue's cover are a very direct call to Black Mask's torture/murder of same with a power drill. Interesting given the fandom controversy there.

The Joker as the reason behind it all in the isolation chamber. I wonder if the Hell that Anti-Bats talks about being from is really Arkham Asylum - if they tried to create Batmen by trapping these cops in there with the Joker and the rest - if 'The Dragon' or Devil they mention isn't the Joker or someone else in there. He's really been hovering at the edges of this whole run, like Magneto in NXM.

Rushed art and sub-par coloring are kind of a rough trade-off for this coming out more regularly. I'm not enjoying these as much as the issues by Kubert and others, but I do love the story.
 
 
Automatic
11:45 / 31.01.08
This is easily one of the better issues so far of GMs Batman run. Couldn't ask for better writing when it comes to disjointed dream narrative. Personally thought the art was a major improvement, the lines seemed a lot cleaner than they did in previous Daniel's issues.

It is also nice to see Batman make Joe Chill piss himself. Also good to see Stephanie Brown's costume in the Batcave. Up yours Didio!

Could someone summarise the 'Robin Dies at Dawn' story?
 
 
Janean Patience
16:46 / 31.01.08
If it's not entirely summarized by those four words it's already a disappointment.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
22:45 / 31.01.08
Random thoughts about the last two issues:

"I walked all the way from hell. With a secret to tell. About Batman and me."

Next Issue's title, "Joe Chill in Hell". And Joe Chill does know a secret about Batman.

The third man holds a gun. Batman gave Joe Chill his gun back, to kill himself with the third bullet in the chamber.

I know its a bit of a stretch. The Third Man seems to be ex-police. But its an interesting connection. Especially since part two of the story is almost exclusively a Joe Chill flashback.

I loved the "Heh Heh Heh Heh", by the way.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:07 / 01.02.08
...and that sunken, rubber body...

I want to know what happened when Batman stayed w/ the ghost tribes of the ten-eyed brotherhood! It's not fair! Bloody Morrison, up to his old tricks, with one line making us yearn for a story that will never be!

So Bruce is watching his own funeral - that's Barbara Gordon, Clark, Oliver Queen, Dick Grayson... And what the fuck is that thing at the end of #672 and in the graveyard scene lurking behind Bat-mite? Is that the true face of Zur En Arrh, or whatever he's called? Is Bat-mite just a mask? Is he the devil figure demon-bats is going on about? Eh? Eh?

Morrison's playing with familiar themes, but I enjoy the bats-as-death-and-darkness metaphor. I'm not sure if anyone's made it as explicit before. I mean, I know they were always supposed to symbolise creepiness and stuff, but the idea of them as the shrieking black mass at the heart of existence - I like that.
 
 
LDones
13:40 / 01.02.08
The little ghoul lurking behind Bat-Mite I took as a death figure, like Mictlantecuhtli in the Invisibles - Bat-Mite being the way that Death is finding to communicate to Bruce Wayne - the man's rich inner imagination making something palatable out of existential horror so he can interface with it. Or vice versa. 'The bat' becoming a mischievous imp who, rather than being terrible, unknowable, and crushingly indifferent, is playful and rather likes him.

The idea, I think, being that the sillier, more boyish aspects of Batman/Bruce Wayne's character (and Batman as a mythic figure, a vehicle for stories) are what keep him sane or balanced, healthy - the toys and Bathounds and sci-fi closets his way of dealing with existential terror & mortality.

It's a really creepy visual, that thing behind him, always out of view. Really great.
 
 
The Natural Way
05:13 / 02.02.08
yes and yes, but i still think he's a story waiting to happen.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
16:31 / 03.02.08
yeah

loved how Batmite almost spoke like a lolcat: oh, hai, Bruce!

good stuff. who is the fucking 3rd man, ghost of present xmas?
 
 
Spaniel
18:05 / 03.02.08
LDones, that's some fucking keen insight, right there. I think you're A1 on the money.
 
 
LDones
20:14 / 03.02.08
I think the issue points towards Batman/Bruce Wayne being unhealthy as a direct result of his detachment from these goofier, weirder things (which Robin is a big part of), that the character's been unhealthy for awhile despite multiple attempts to heal him, and it necessitates whatever death-then-rebirth is going to happen here down the line.

"I have to get out." "How long have I been in here?" "When did I die?" "It's as if there's nothing left but a deep black well where my heart should be."

None of his visions of the future include Tim. He's conspicuously absent from #666 (on the surface, anyway), and from Bruce Wayne's vision of his own funeral (though I'm assuming that's Dick Grayson in the front there). There's that third Robin casket unaccounted for. As if he's assuming in his subconscious that Tim won't make it.

"Then we will wound your soul, forever. And if it is strong, it will survive the wound." Why was this all juxtaposed with him pushing Joe Chill to suicide, very literally stepping into the role of 'bat as symbol of existential fear'? What were the consequences of that? It doesn't feel like a victory to me.

Though historically pretty far from the mark, solicitations for next issue say we'll get more on the isolation experiment. In that old issue, (Batman #156) Bruce Wayne kept hallucinating after leaving the isolation chamber, putting Robin's life (and his own) in danger while fighting crime - leading to him 'retiring' as Batman to get his head together for awhile. Sound familiar?

When he did, Robin got kidnapped by men in gorilla suits who nearly killed him. The opening line of that story is "Where is Batman?".

Batman #674
On Sale February 27, 2008



"More secrets of Batman are revealed! Batman finds himself in a torture chamber facing the last and deadliest of the three Batman replacements… and finally learns the tragic story of how they came to be! With a shocking appearance by Bat-Mite, this tale leads to more revelations about the young Batman's participation in a bizarre isolation experiment as we learn how the terrifying consequences of his actions will alter the Dark Knight's life in the months to come."
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Despite all the indicators in the run so far, or the rumors, or the future solicitations for "Batman R.I.P.", I doubt Bruce Wayne will die - I doubt they'll let Morrison kill him, even if it's been the plan; but I'm keen to see if I'm wrong, to see what they might build in his place.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:55 / 03.02.08
People seem to be loving these guys for the brief nod to Robin-Stephanie's (?) case (I was going to write "suit" before 'case' to avoid ambiguity, but...), even if it was only hallucinatory (which could perhaps be the future in Morrison's worlds). But I didn't really get why his "when did I die?" line relate to it. I thought at first it could be about his overall dickishness towards Tim and Stephanie (I'm still thinking if "keeping at arms' lenghts" is supposed to be ambiguous, keeping his distance and by that coin overcompensating in restraining and keeping him too “close” for fear).

I really liked Robin's "you think about the Joker way too much". It felt genuinely like he and Alfred are what make him sane, if only for human contact to bring him down to earth, by sometimes bringing him up on altitudes of 'silliness' (and their way of bringing context to Bruce by giving humor and humanity). And even if I was a bit confused by Chill moments (and Batman's attitudes – but kinda cool re-reading it seeing him as Frosty), I loved the way those moments "were all the same” ("Isolation chamber? No, this is the 30th day of Thogal").

I want to know what happened when Batman stayed w/ the ghost tribes of the ten-eyed brotherhood!

I'm a bit disappointed that it didn't touch on the cave exorcism more directly (or more explicitly/blatant/simplistic/spelled out for me). I thought it'd be more about recontextualizing the many dark events and issues (and the overall drives, factors and the needs to put that world's face in the dark toilet water) that turned that world and character into the DarkGrime Fastfood Inc (while using weird comic book metaphors to Morrison's majiks!1!23!-speak). I think I left wanting it to be more deep in a explanatory way instead of walking with Bruce so subjectively, but I should give it another reading to see if I missed something, or if I’m coming from stupidfield. Overall, it reminded me of King Mob's Edith exorcism issue, that moment "look, Edith’s alive" and the logic behind the progress of the moments in the “mess” (only with Robin in her place -- and wasn't that King Mob in Chill's office, tripping on the chair head up like in that issue? Only thing lacking was the bloody nose). But in terms of putting those concepts into the big landscapes of superhero metaphors, I thought the death – and affirmation of his ‘spirit’, the overcoming of death -- of Pa Kent in A*S#6 was more inspired. But I guess current editorial and readership’s demands doesn’t allow much in that vein other than the usual Morrison’s Invisible-esque trope of rituals, hallucinations-real/‘real’ and the sort of thing that’s more in key with current notions of filmic realism, ninjas’ exoticism freepass and tripping-tea rituals.

But I think the ritual was exactly this. Many moments at once, being the same moment in progression, the many-eyed being us (and Robin, and Chill, and his own self as a pre-trauma child* in safe security about to be confronted by death, throwing a rock on the dark cave of isolation where nobody can see him, stirring up the DeathBats -- while making them leave at the same time).

*Or, as LDones said so much better, the sillier, more boyish aspects of Batman/Bruce Wayne's character (and Batman as a mythic figure, a vehicle for stories) are what keep him sane or balanced, healthy - the toys and Bathounds and sci-fi closets his way of dealing with existential terror & mortality.

Was the cover about Batman integrating Chill and the trauma? To find himself in Chill (and find Chill in himself) for reintegration and to exorcise? a)The most obvious, Bruce pointing the gun at himself in the alley; b) Chill on one moment is crying on his knees amidst his own piss, like kid Bruce in the puddle; c)In isolation and fear, being the traumatized and scared side of Bruce that takes him into the darkness and wanting to be/ understand the criminals, be amidst them, be in stealth and in the shadows etc; whipping himself, keeping others at distance at fear so he’ll be harder and darker, the scary side revealed as being just scared; Smearing filth, blood, violence, faux cynicism and darkness onto self as a form of insecure chest thumping, instead of more natural and contextualized ways to approach such things. d)Chill’s “the son I lost", like Robin; e)Chill’s lines standing in for Bruce’s (“he can’t get me, right?”, while the cave is closing; briefly alluding to that sort of safespace womb bubble – circles motifs in those weird old rituals); f)Recognizing the points where Chill becomes his creator. I'm sure there were lots more, but they're usually that sort of subtle turns from moment to moment.

But the question is, I think, on what side will the coin fall, will the images of the monk will prove themselves as being the door closing or opening -- did Chill kill himself or not; did Batman 'killed' him or not; Did Batman killed him for good inside himself (and his fears and traumas that make him like Chill himself), or will audiences and editorial keep him as an abortion on the darkness womb.

And, fuck, the art could be at times extremely effective, and at others just goddawful urgh.

PS: greatest metaphor ever, the reawakening of the hairy chest (even if at first I thought it was a completetly different thing!). And fuck, I loved the new context for all the hard-boiled hammer-speak (does that symbolically makes us Alfred when reading DKR and its derivatives?).

(sorry for the messy jumbled text. And the lenght)
 
 
Spaniel
08:08 / 04.02.08
"Then we will wound your soul, forever. And if it is strong, it will survive the wound." Why was this all juxtaposed with him pushing Joe Chill to suicide, very literally stepping into the role of 'bat as symbol of existential fear'? What were the consequences of that? It doesn't feel like a victory to me.

Agreed. I noted the juxtaposition too. Sure as hell didn't seem like any kind of victory.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:14 / 04.02.08
I just want to make clear that I 100% agree with every word that issues from yr fingertips, Dones. However, because this is comics, the demon/batmite stuff doesn't necessarily have to be entirely hallucinatory/symbolic - it could also have a literal dimension. Also, knowing Morrison's (read: a magician's) predeliction for collapsing the boundaries between the real and the unreal, combined with the very palpable presence of the Zur En Arrh graffiti throughout the run (particularly as *invocation* just prior to the events of last ish), I can't help thinking there's something more mysterious going on than Bruce Wayne on the shrink's couch.
 
  

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