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Grant Morrison's Batman

 
  

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Spaniel
14:31 / 01.10.07
Yes, that's the more positive stuff - the actual detective work. I like to see Batman detect.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
15:56 / 01.10.07
For anyone interested 'Three Ghosts' has just started a reprint run in Titans Brit Newsstand title.
 
 
The Falcon
00:35 / 28.10.07
Disheartening #670 preview: disheartening for a number of reasons, #1 being Tony Daniel's, frankly, bollocks art - he obviously can do a job, that's a nice cover, but the leggy lay-deez resemble nothing so much as a Liefeld giraffe-woman and #2 being that orders will actually go up on this, having slumped about 10% for JHW3's arc (I wish I could be surprised about this, but comics retailers know their clientele, and know if there's one thing they don't like it's an artist with actual style, a bit of quality; no, they like proper shite,) and they will go up primarily because it is a crossover. I hope to fucking God I don't find myself holding a copy of Fabian Nicieza's Nightwing (a combo that says nothing if it doesn't say "uninspiring") tie-ins, but it's a distinct possibility at this juncture.

I could have a good look at myself, 'Man in the Mirror' style, but it's a prospect as enticing as spending time poring over Tony D's crude sub-midperiod-Image etchings atm.

(The Milligan issues of Robin are a possible respite, I s'pose, but his most recent offerings haven't really crossed the quality rubicon from start positions at "alright" at all.)

(I am definitely not buying this all and 'Messiah CompleX'.)

(I am 28, and honestly...)
 
 
FinderWolf
01:39 / 28.10.07
>> I hope to fucking God I don't find myself holding a copy of Fabian Nicieza's Nightwing (a combo that says nothing if it doesn't say "uninspiring") tie-ins, but it's a distinct possibility at this juncture.

Be strong.
 
 
LDones
03:56 / 28.10.07
I dunno. With the inking & color it feels pretty Kubert-ish, which I'm fine with.

Can't help but wonder how much of that rich pencil shading from the earlier previews is being drowned in ink, but this comic hasn't really disappointed me yet, so I'm eager to read it.

Batman and All Star Superman are really all I'm reading outside of trade anymore.
 
 
juju eyeballs
16:32 / 28.10.07
Daniels art doesn't look too bad, maybe a bit bland. Especially in comparison to the art in the last three issues. Does anyone know if Daniels is just signed up for the Ra's al Ghul-arc or the remainder of the run?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:28 / 28.10.07
i've read over at the DC month-to-month sales chart commentary over at THE BEAT that a new artist is being sorted to help increase sales, unless they were talking about Daniels.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
01:04 / 29.10.07
...I have no idea why, but I think I have a crush on Tiger Moth now.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
01:05 / 29.10.07
Does that make me a nerd? Or a fanboy?
 
 
Spaniel
18:24 / 29.10.07
While I could probably do without more sexysexyladeez, and while I share your pain about comic fandom's obsession with shite art (that works oh-so-well for the sexysexyladeez), it looks Kubertesque enough to keep me reasonably happy.

Not sure about reading any of the crossover issues, however.
 
 
Spaniel
20:08 / 29.10.07
That last directed at Falc
 
 
The Falcon
22:11 / 29.10.07
In one sense, I suppose, it's as if George has had a skek at Tony Denial's... oeuvre and thought "this man is - basically - a child, what will he like drawing?" which could make for some wilfully moronic stuff, and basically I'm all for that. Especially in Batman comics, really. Touch of mania, anything to upset the people that generally read them, pretty much.

But on the other: I really can't agree that this art is even up to the standard of Andy K's - it's a decent cover certainly, but the majority of Kubert's were - imo - really good; I mean the Joker card crying tears of blood one wasn't particularly, it was dreadful, but the first couple and all the 'Three Ghosts' were pretty bombing, i'truth. Within the comic, he proved himself at least capable at the art of the splash page, and some occasionally pretty tricky panel construction (Gordon falling onto the safety net sort of colludes architectural lines with speed ones for example) - certainly Tony's best pic in the preview is the 'Batman readied to punch' double-page, so I do think there'll be qualitative similarities, but if you consider Kubert's worst* - and I've not seen Daniel come close to his best work, which so far as I'm aware was on this comic, but already equal that - I think it'll be a pretty depressing look altogether.

On the crossover: I'm just assuming it'll be like X-Cutioner's Song, where - let's say your smalltown newsagent only stocks X-Force, you are 13, and the 3 parts of 12 make no fuckin sense whatsoever as independent entities - I'm just assuming that's how crossovers are structured, when they actually crossover. Not like 'events'. Maybe 'Officer Down!', 'No Man's Land' and whatnot weren't quite like that? So, while I neatly skirt the terrible possibility that I may in some way be a 'completist' (ick), you might want to sit down of an evening, a lazy Sunday afternoon - not that the child allows the latter, some time in the future and read the complete "Return of Ra's al-Ghul". You might, because the Batman issues might not be discrete entities, and then it might be shite because you had to, again - just like with the X-Cutioner's Song - read some Fabian Nicieza comics. And even if you stole them digitally, you wouldn't be able to sit and read a concrete thing, it's annoying. But then, why would you want to, because Fabian Nicieza? So it's a quandary - I will buy the next issue of Batman, and then possibly be really annoyed on discovering I need to buy the tie-ins and do so anyway. Cue some frankly repugnant self-loathing.

*Like... that scene where Bruce and Jezebel are dining in the Alps; has Andy not seen the interior of a restaurant? Also, did he attempt to craft the shonked perspective by drawing with his paper wrapped around a boat's stern? Perhaps that's what they teach in his dad's school.
 
 
The Falcon
22:45 / 29.10.07
But also, you know, mentioning my wee man and Batman - I am fairly hugely invested in the story of Damian, so I want to see how it turns out with Grandad, too. (Completely. I already bought the workaday Milligan annual which is like... it's probably not unlike a contemporary Mike W. Barr comic, I think. Average, yet moderately pleasing - is this the height of ambition?!) I just wish it'd look better.

Flicking through #666 which, from an uncharitable point of view (my first) is such a collection of well-worn Morrisonisms that they qualify effectively as tics, I'm struck by how keynote it is to my reading, certainly informed by the early days of parenthood - you worry, don't you: is the kid gonna live in a world quite like I did, familiar but in some cases topsy-turvy, fighting crime in his own way, should he be like me really at all or is he going to make some Satanic pact and expose the bourgeousie to the horrible iniquities of society pretty much directly with, primarily, death, hellfire and a coterie of supervillains? It's that anxiety; I have to read the issue as basically not really happening so much as the two possibilities running head-to-head, an extrapolation. Call anti-Batman a tulpa if it helps. It's also a great extrapolation, or direct and logical extension rather, of the surrogate parent role that Batman has had for so long - I'm personally very glad, and I certainly didn't think I'd say this when I was 13 because the character made no sense to me then, that Robin has been reintroduced so forcefully into the mythos - Damien is, however briefly, a Robin and perhaps the best expression of them all, because there's never seemed terribly much Manichaean doubt, nothing in the balance, about Dick or Tim. Jason maybe, but he died (for ages) for his sins; among them hubcap-theft. It seems more honest, this way.
 
 
Mug Chum
14:01 / 30.10.07
Was any of Bruce's purging ever shown? The only thing I remember seeing was the Lama goosing Robin up during Bruce's birth from the cave.

(edit: in doubt after seeing the description for January's issue)
 
 
The Falcon
14:07 / 30.10.07
Yeah, there was a bit with ten-eyed demons in 52 week 31 or so - it's not really a terribly good comic, but they should probably have the Batman bits in the trade for the first arc, I'm sure they don't.
 
 
Mug Chum
14:17 / 30.10.07
Thanks, I'll do a search for it (they're releasing here as 12 issues, might be worth it). Seemed pretty important to read if I wish to make a more enjoyable turn with this series (and thought it'd be this big huge mega-event somehow).
 
 
The Natural Way
15:20 / 30.10.07
I'm fairly sure the specifics of the Nan Parbat ritual will be revealed in the batbooks over the course of the next couple of months, though.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:25 / 30.10.07
Have to say, due partly to financial reasons, but also due to the fact that I have far too many substandard comics in my life*, I won't be buying any of the crossover issues. Just Grant's issue (because despite all the grousing about it I'm enjoying every silly moment of it). If some kindly soul could buy them, read them then sling the York notes version up here for me that would be splendid.

*sadly this means dropping most of Milligan's current output - maaaaybe I'll stick with 'Infinity Inc' for a bit, but I'm bored of throwing hard earned shecks down only to be left with a distinct 'ehh' feeling with so many comics.
 
 
LDones
20:30 / 30.10.07
I'll take one for the team and pick up the crossover issues. And then tell flagrant lies about the fantastic content within.
 
 
The Falcon
21:46 / 30.10.07
I'll definitely read the x-overs; here's hoping either Pete M or George calls at least an issue 'Bizarre Boys' so's I can be done with that dream, finally, and move on.
 
 
Jamie
21:25 / 31.10.07
I flipped through the issue on the stand today, but crossovers aren't my bag, and while I can respect Ra's importance as a Bat figure (being the far end of the spectrum from the Joker, with Batman the fulcrum between them) he's never done antyhing for me as a character. They had me for four issues from 666-669, and now I will seek out another place to spend my $3.65 (or so) until this storyline is over.
 
 
The Falcon
22:07 / 31.10.07
Tony Daniel interview; he seems nice and interested in his craft, at least. Good luck to him, really.

Good luck to us all.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:57 / 01.11.07
That was fun.

Liked the messenger boy spewing blood after delivering the bad news. Like being in Hong Kong too.

R'as is a right bastard, isn't he?

Yr so right about Damian being the perfect Robin, Falc.
 
 
The Falcon
21:57 / 01.11.07
Dear Ra's*,

I saw this today, and thought of you.

love,
Duncan

*note spelling, barbechums! it is on the cover of your comicmagazine
 
 
The Falcon
23:23 / 01.11.07
Oh, also -

I'm fairly sure the specifics of the Nan Parbat ritual will be revealed in the batbooks over the course of the next couple of months, though.

While I'd not want to bet heavy on specificity, the solicits for #671, and #673, both insist that such things will occur. The crossover is definitely on for me; great, trashy first instalment - more on it later, possibly (it is pretty fucking ugly, in a 1996-97 way, but whatevs) - and furthermore the weekly fix is also in - Milligan's Robin next week, followed by N*c**z*'s N*ghtw*ng, then Dini on 'tec; two rounds. Reasonable. Having passed up on Messiah Complex today, I feel just about capable of living with this decision.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:58 / 02.11.07
I think 671 will probably focus on the nature of the shifting city, but it looks as though we'll have to wait for 673 for the exorcism stuff.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:00 / 02.11.07
Lots of stuff in the last ish re consciousness hijacking other bodies. Smacks of signposting/clues if you ask me.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:18 / 02.11.07
Well, after the Club of Heroes story got me thinking that Morrison's Batman has been an enjoyable and worthwhile enterprise (in terms of how the themes reflected the previous stories as well as in its own right), I thought this latest issue was a huge drop - it's not dreadful per se, it's just mediocre. Batman by numbers.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:38 / 02.11.07
Keep in mind that I haven't really been reading the series with the exception of the Club of Heroes story, but:

Lots of stuff in the last ish re consciousness hijacking other bodies. Smacks of signposting/clues if you ask me.

...suggests a Deadman connection and possible use of the character? Which might make me slightly more interested in reading this. Slightly. He does have a history with Batman, after all.
 
 
This Sunday
20:16 / 02.11.07
Seems almost unfair to use Nanda Parbat for an extended period without Deadman popping in.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:45 / 02.11.07
I remember thinking that when Ralph Dibny went there during 52.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:24 / 02.11.07
Oooh,perhaps this series will be even more tightly linked to the shithole that is the DC Universe than we thought!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:21 / 03.11.07
Well, I wouldn't wish for that, but Deadman's always fun. And it fits in with the Neal Adams lovefest vibe.
 
 
Spaniel
12:30 / 03.11.07
I'm not getting much a Deadman vibe from the book at the moment, but then I don't know anything about Bat's history with the character
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:13 / 03.11.07
Yeah - bring on Boston Brand!
trashy fun's about right. The art didn't bother me much. I don't think i really want much more than this from a Batman comic TBH. If some see it as Morrison-lite than so be it. I reckon the fact that his voice is slightly quiter in the mix is a good thing. It's certainly helping me enjoy the comic as escapist pulp fare - not life changing, but good weird fun.
 
  

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