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All-Star Superman

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:28 / 14.01.07
I'm curious to see how long we can make this thread, actually. And it'll be hella fun to read after the fact, I think. This thread is part of the reason I'm enjoying the series.

From #2- "This fortress isn't a museum, Lois, it's a time capsule. One day some future man or woman will open that door, with that key. When they do, I want them to know how it felt to live at the dawn of the Age of the Superheroes."

From #6- "Err...amazing, isn't it? If this picture hadn't survived as a trophy in your fortress...we'd never have suspected the 'vore's presence here."

Additionally, I love the very Tintin-ness of Young Clark's facial expression (in particular the eyes) upon seeing Klyzyzk's thought-form impressions of the Chronovore. Makes him look so young and naive.
 
 
Mug Chum
23:12 / 14.01.07
I'd like to see how long the thread would go too (mainly because some things end up connecting throughout different issues, issue 9 might have something on 2 and 6 etc, and themes appear difficult to split -- well, mostly because my posts are long messes and end up putting many issues in the mix).
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
00:02 / 15.01.07
Sha*am Sparrow: The themes of surrendering, being open, vulnerable, of acceptance, of friendship, invitingly reaching out to people. A*Superman seems like about being taoisticly a Cup instead of a masturbational male power fantasy games of the Lance...

I'd agree, and add that, to draw together subsequent posters' comments on Kal-El's impregnation of Earth, his genetic legacy, and the numerous Biblical references in the character's mythology, Superman is the Grail, the Kryptonian bloodline analogous to references to the bloodline of Jesus remaining intact throughout history. In addition, he is all-encompassing, able to receive Lex's psychopathic hatred, which has its logical climax in Superman possibly becoming more receptive - more powerful - as a result of Lex's attempts to destroy him.

I had to wait until yesterday to read this issue, but I've also had five pages of this thread to read afterwards, which was an anticipation in itself. I doff my topper to you all.
 
 
Triplets
00:27 / 15.01.07
Papers, lovely papers, wrote:

I tend to agree with you, Cass, that GM's not following the labours specifically. Merely that Kal has twelve super-feats to accomplish. I tend to more like the idea that the various issues have different myth patterns in them (#1- Hesperides & Prometheus; #2- Bluebeard, Eros & Psyche; #3- The footraces for Helen, Oedipus & the Sphinx, Phaethon riding the golden chariot)

As someone who knows bog-all about Herculean super-myth, where are we up to now three issues on? We have Orpheus visiting the Underworld in #5 and the slaying of the Hydra in #6

That said, Supes sort of visits the Underworld beforehand in #4 with his contact with the black underverse kryptonite. Ideas?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:52 / 15.01.07
That said, Supes sort of visits the Underworld beforehand in #4 with his contact with the black underverse kryptonite. Ideas?

I think this has come up before, but All-Star Superman is all about the Man of Steel going down. It starts way up there in the Sun, baby, where Superman hits the Hubris Button and faces down his own Power Source to save the day...only to fall back to Earth way more powerful but veering toward death. And, you know, "Faster" is the title of the first issue - picking up speed thanks to the whole gravity thing, you know? The depression kicks in and the need to come clean with the Girl of his Dreams - which leads us to the second issue.

Fortress of Solitude in the second issue - Antarctic palace, traditionally, bottom of the world, and Clark is dragged down to the pit of Lois Lane's rage with regard to their relationship.

Third issue? Down to the Dino-Czar's World where Clark fulfills one of his Twelve Super-Feats (actually, two) - making peace with the lizard men AND solving the unsolvable riddle. Also, mostly disconnected and a bit reaching, it does end with Lois coming back down from her super-high and falling asleep.

Fourth issue, yeah, we've got the underverse and it's horrible black kryptonite and then Clark "falls" morally and literally from the moon to hit the ground (falling right through the Daily Planet).

Number Five, descent into the underworld of the Da Vinci of Crime and then the escape hatch. Parasite gets heavy and breaks through the bottom border and into the comics page gutter.

Number Six, Pa Kent walks into death while Clark falls down into the time-tunnel into the past.

Traditionally, Superman's linked with flying, upwards - you'll note the cafuffle early on, before the series, when that first cover was released and people bitched because he wasn't in one of those fist-forward-up-up-and-away poses - but All-Star Superman is all about descent and falling.
 
 
Mug Chum
01:51 / 15.01.07
I find it hard to think in those terms. First, because I know squat about Hercules too. Secondly, 'cause I have scarred in my head that every story is a "underground" trip. That whole "hero's journey", mummy-cocoon-to-butterflySun, initiation, rituals, "stairway to heaven passes through the deeps of hell" etc (even through there are moments in A*S that are the most primal set-ups of "underground").

It makes more sense in my head when mapping through symbols, religious experiences concepts, folk and story themes and primal motifs and, most importantly, it's context in the story. Like, the difference of tones and impression between Icarus' story and #1 when Sups discovers he's been manipulated and baited into death. Or the how the figure of Delilah (the castrating bad lady Kali-succubus man-eater cup of blood etc) fits in issue #3 overall, the series, (old) comics and in Samson's behavior in #3. Or how the idea of Hercules-in-drag, Eros&Psyche, transcendence and empathy fits in one kick in #2,#3 and #4. Mostly how these recurrent primal ideas, concepts and figures are toyed with. I can't usually think in one thing for each issue, but whatever will spring through each concept, idea, dialogue, image, plot device...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:01 / 15.01.07
It's not about looking at each issue with one thing in mind as it is looking at them with a particular lens, which can be interchanged with another lens, and another, and another... looking at all the possible idea-permutations is good, squealingly fun, sexy, wonderful too, but sometimes picking out one thing and exploring it in particular for a little bit can help too. Micro versus macro doesn't have to be "versus."
 
 
Mug Chum
02:01 / 15.01.07
Couldn't agree more.
 
 
Mario
11:20 / 15.01.07
One tiny problem with your thesis... In the Silver Age, the Fortress was in the Arctic, not the Antarctic. And that appears to be the version Granite is riffing on.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:57 / 15.01.07
Really? I've always pictured it as being in the antarctic. Oh well, I was wrong.
 
 
Mario
14:58 / 15.01.07
Yeppers. The big golden arrow/key was supposed to be a marker pointing towards the North Pole.
 
 
Mug Chum
20:45 / 15.01.07
I'd always figured that the heavy golden key would be more towards the south pole...
 
 
andrewdrilon
14:38 / 16.01.07
Just zipped through google and wikipedia looking for good Quitely stuff online.

Can't. Find. Much. Clawing through dirt already looking for interesting stuff. Apart from his broadstrokes Wiki page, a really old PULSE interview and a nice long SilverBullets Profile interview....nothing much else. Waugh! Help, guys! Do you guys know of anything else FQ online?

I mean...what's wrong? Feel like All-Star artist like Frank Quitely should have a decent fansite/website or something online--seems like a crime that he doesn't.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
18:42 / 16.01.07
is pulse the podcast?
 
 
FinderWolf
19:20 / 16.01.07
Pulse is the news & interviews part of Comicon.com, if I remember correctly - not a podcast.
 
 
SiliconDream
00:33 / 17.01.07
Really? I've always pictured it as being in the antarctic. Oh well, I was wrong.

The Antarctic would make a lot more sense as a building location, inasmuch as the mighty fortress wouldn't plunge straight through the pack ice into the ocean and all. But I suppose he regularly blew on the surrounding ice to freeze it down to the sea floor, or something.

I always loved the idea that, in order to keep his fortress key from being noticed by passing planes, he disguised it as an enormous gold arrow pointing to the pole. Naturally no pilots would ever wonder who actually hiked to the Arctic and constructed an enormous gold arrow....
 
 
Mug Chum
01:15 / 17.01.07
I've been reading Flex Mentallo today. It gets even better after A*S (and as you guys already know, A*S is a whole lot better after Flex. A*S is the garden-to-play Flex Mentallo holds the key to).

(I've never read Grant's sort-of-editorial inside Flex until today. I'm glad he insisted on the orgy of subtexts).
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:19 / 17.01.07
Flex!

I want A*S to finish up so that I can read the entire thing in between Flex1 and Flex3, as I never did come across the Silver Age second issue.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:22 / 17.01.07
PS: Never let it be said that I don't love you all.

(threadrotty, but look kids! Quitely!)
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
05:36 / 17.01.07
Quitely. HE-MAN. Fucking rock.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
22:45 / 17.01.07
oh... wow. Papers, do you know what that pic was for?

FQ should build a website like Chris Weston's someday.

I smell a new thread coming. meanwhile, here's some stuff [mostly convention sketches] I hadn't seen before:

http://www.balnacra.com/comix/quietly04.jpg
http://www.zonalibre.org/blog/gmj/archives/Vince.jpg
http://www.art4comics.com/sh_quitet.jpg
http://flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif
 
 
Loud Detective
23:38 / 17.01.07
Good god, that He-Man picture is my new to reason to go on in life.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:19 / 18.01.07
I love Teela's expression in that picture, just not bothered in the least by the wall of badguy coming at her.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:24 / 18.01.07
You know, up until this point I THOUGHT I was a man, but that Quitely drawing is like a kick in the gonads, a kick that lets me know that NOW I am truly a man.

He-Man Bar Mitzvah if you will.
 
 
Triplets
17:56 / 18.01.07
*BANGS AXE HANDLE* TRUTH! STRONG TRUTH!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:39 / 18.01.07
I'm not sure what exactly the He-Man pic's for, but I think it may have been an advert to get people to buy a new He-Man comic. I dunno if that ever happened, though. There was that new He-Man series a while back but it mostly stank of badness and I couldn't bothered to watch it.

Quitely makes me so happy, though.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
19:58 / 18.01.07
freud said "sometimes a he-man is just a he-man"
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:34 / 23.01.07
Random thought, another piece of the "Sun God" puzzle - the brand new key is made from dwarf star material. Superman so sun-godly he builds things out of bits of sun. Cross-reference that with Quintum's failed attempt to bring yellow sun material back from Sol.

Keys are also significant in the Bluebeard myth that #2's riffing on, and there seem to represent trust/free will - is Lois not ready to be trusted yet? Does the EvilBadInfection Kal-El need to infect the world properly, make them like him, before he can trust them? Is he making a subtle judgement about the difference between Man and Superman?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:16 / 24.01.07
completely off-topic, but just to let you know: the Quitely He-Man piece [did you color that, Jamie?] is a postcard insert in the NEW ADVENTURES OF HE-MAN DVD set. his is not the only one, so more goodies - Jimenez, Hitch, Bereton! - in link.
 
 
Triplets
15:37 / 24.01.07
I love the Hitch one



Steve "Brad Pitt" Rogers vs. Red Skullator!
 
 
Triplets
16:48 / 24.01.07
"Alright chums, let's do this, SSSTEEEEEEEEEVVVEEEEEE ROGGEERRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSS!"
 
 
Mug Chum
18:43 / 24.01.07
Well, the key at first for me was purely about size and freudian terms concerning the old huge key.

Then when Superman "hands" her the key, I thought it was another illustration for his willingness to open himself up to Lois and build the bridge and reveal all the charades etc. But the key being heavy brings up ten different possibilities for me in ten different criterias of interpretation and then I just lose it ("is it a satire-revision on the old-age pranks? If so, for which ends?"; "Is it to confirm the ultimate confident security in the symbol of the key? If so, is it another paranoia symbol or just something to build the bridge even stronger when Sups fairygodfathers Lois into Superwoman? Even then, Lois will still comedown" etc etc etc).

Issue#2 is creepy for me overall, just for the sake of playing with the uncertainty (and maybe it's the whole point, kryptonite now tickles), since it was practically the second Superman comic I've read at the time. Not really sure what it meant, and I'm hoping for more on the series about it. I can see many moments of the issue being in key with the series overall, but there's little things here and there. (one, for instance) I'm hoping the dinner was only at the Titanic because it was the warmer place in the whole fortress, or something like that... And that the impersonation of Clark about the menu in it was Sup's nod to Lois of how he was indeed aware of the cryptic (or kryptic) and alieness of it all.

Many things are creepy in this issue, and the possibility that Lois' vain effort on the key is another sadistic symbolic "slams door in face" prank from a Superdick is a bit too much "Jack Torrance" (I think the whole "The Shining"/Bluebeard/1001 Nights/Superdick revision was intentional clever satire, but still... there are some things beyond them...).

Although I had some reading moments of going on the tracks of the "pop-art sort of satire recuperated into a evolving narrative" that could render this issue as a top for me.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:47 / 24.01.07
Sparrow: And that the impersonation of Clark about the menu in it was Sup's nod to Lois of how he was indeed aware of the cryptic (or kryptic) and alieness of it all.

This seems important to me; Clark and Superman haven't quite integrated themselves with each other. Clark was raised as Clark, in Kansas, regardless of his adventures as Superboy, but his way of dealing with Lois romantically is always through Superman, it's always the Alien doing the Romancing. I think this Superman is a lot more confused than other versions, he hasn't quite figured out which is/isn't the mask or if there is a mask or what. He's used to dealing with Lois as Superman but in making the connection between Superman and Clark obvious to her, he's thrown off his own centre of balance for their relationship. He can't quite compartmentalize her anymore, and that's generating some uncertainty for him.
 
 
Quantum
20:54 / 24.01.07
Superman so sun-godly he builds things out of bits of sun. papers

I just re-read some A* and don't forget, he also has a baby sun eater which he feeds suns, forged on the olympus anvil.

I've a question, when Samson and Atlas turn up, was that to make Supes take the Hercules role? Ooh and another one, what's the tyrant sun?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
21:21 / 24.01.07
Solaris, the Tyrant Son
 
  

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