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14:52 / 02.04.07

hopefully this will be where we get the Bizarro versions of the Justice League (I think this story is a 2-parter, right?) that we were promised earlier in interviews about ASS.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:14 / 02.04.07

Me too, although as the day grows nearer, my hope on that account is waning; Morrison seems to minimizing the presence of heroes outside of the Superman Dynasty to help keep it self-contained, it appears. Other than the references to Batman, who's his World's Finest Pal. On the other hand, he'll probably come through with Bizarro Jor-El (showing up, as he does, on the cover to #8).

Introducing the Bizarro Justice League - classic or updated model, either way - is an opportunity for GM to flesh out what All-Star Superman's world looks like outside Metropolis, even if we're only seeing the "Bizarro" equivalents therein. Clark hasn't made reference to the League beyond Batman at this point, which makes me wonder if he's even a member (especially given all his talk of partners and Lois saying nobody could keep up with him) with the JLA acting more like the post-crisis version - or if there's a League at all.

16:22 / 02.04.07

I think it's safe to assume he's a member. I can't imagine Grant throwing that idea out when he's written a series so in love with the Superman mythos, of which the JLA is pretty big part.

That said, I'd say it's more than possible that it won't be seen on camera. Keeping the focus tightly on Superman and his immediate world has been a big part of this series' success.

17:08 / 02.04.07

I'd just assumed it was like a Superman film, with a throw-away reference to Batman.

It never crossed my mind that this Superman was in the JLA, or even that a JLA existed. It seemed more like Superman first stories or the films, he's a one-type superdude in the world (if there are millions of super-powered people in this world, the whole talk of uber-future, dynasty etc is kinda killed to me).

I still go by like I'm watching a mainstream Superman film, where I'm safe coming in knowing just the basics.

On another note, seeing how Miller butchered his run on AllStarBats, I'm really hoping DC will allow Morrison to finish this as if it was a closed book, and that's it -- like Red Son, or DKR. Hoping it won't become a DC's Ultimate line (in the sense that if, for a random example, Morrison wanted Lois to become a black 72 year old woman with a rabbit Super-son for good in the last issue, he could).

PS: Holy Jebeegononts! Those pages look beautifully Out There.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:16 / 02.04.07

...in the sense that if, for a random example, Morrison wanted Lois to become a black 72 year old woman with a rabbit Super-son for good in the last issue, he could...

Been done.

I'm still uncertain how, as Trips asserts, deeply the JLA are ingrained into Superman's mythos; the Silver Age stories in his own comics minimized their presence (mostly -- you'll remember that cover with Lois making time with the other Leaguers) and the Justice League's stories unusually had to depower him or render him more ineffectual to balance him out; this was one of the reasons he was struck from the line-up in the post-crisis stories (excluding his more recent re-insertion back into the history).

Which isn't to say I don't want to see Morrison use the Bizarro League or bring up the League themselves, I'm just wondering how that would work with the established "goals" and themes of the series as it stands. Including the Legion would actually make more sense to me, being as they are Super-Heroes of the Future and an aspect of the "Dynasty" theme we've got going.

17:35 / 02.04.07

To be honest the JLA are best used as a context for peers and friendship in middle-age/sundeath. Think Two Grumpy Old Men- but the Clark/Kal/Luthor relationship covers that amply, not to mention Mr. Action.

Perhaps a one-issue look at JLA friendship or, knowing Moz, half an issue super-compressed peek. But if we see them, we'll likely see the JLA as compressed down to the Big 3: Supes, Bats and Wonder Woman.

If we even see them at all. I say that because we've already seen them, sort of. Bats can be seen in Quintum and Luthor, the daredevil billionaire with more toys than God. Superwoman is Wonder Woman, right down to the reverso-Evil Earth-2 Wonder Woman costume.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:46 / 02.04.07

The references to Batman in #2 do sound like Clark's just returned from visiting an old drinking buddy. "How is Batman, anyway?" / "Oh, you know Batman." And Clark is trying to do what Bruce already has: find an heir, of sorts. Even if Dick Grayson grows up to go off to college and do something completely unrelated to Batman, he's still the heir.

18:08 / 02.04.07

huh, if you check the thread and look at shipping dates around, it appears this comic isn't out til next week.

ME AM REALLY FUCKING HAPPY WITH NEWSARAMA'S INACCURACY IF SO.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

18:23 / 02.04.07

*sob*

Looks like it's next week. Damnable monsters!

On the other hand, there's a SHOWCASE Legion book out this week.

18:31 / 02.04.07

Looks like it's next week. Damnable monsters!

Booo!

18:41 / 02.04.07

I'm really hoping DC will allow Morrison to finish this as if it was a closed book, and that's it -- like Red Son, or DKR.

I'm prepared to bet money Grant will do what Grant always does: write something that looks like the final, definitive, can't-follow-that view of the super mythos, but, as is also his way, he won't end Superman, he'll allow it the possibility of a future. Anyway, ending Superman, making it a story as apposed to myth for all generations really isn't what I think this line is all about. In order to remain timeless and unburdened by continuity, it kind of can't end with a bow and a final curtain.

And as Papers has said, Moore's already done the baby thing and done it extremely bloody well.

19:59 / 02.04.07

i've always looked at GM\FQ's ASS as a graphic novel in the making...

sorry, joke's old now but that's true.

obviously a shipload of money can always have at least one of them carry on past #12.

21:42 / 02.04.07

Didn't G-Missle say he had enough notebooks to take him past #12 with another artist? I recall he did.

21:57 / 02.04.07

Really? Linkage please, if you can find it. I'd love to see some other frequent GM collaborators on A*S after FQ, namely Cam Stewart, Phil Bond, and Frazer Irving (even though it seems Mister Irving doesn't quite get GM's scripts at times...)

23:08 / 02.04.07

Well, if Morrison had more material for issues like these, sure... My fear is some other writer would step in, and my curiosity wouldn't allow me to back off, and see that the "author" made his "final serious last ultimate word and the definitive take on Superman" and makes him work with "CSI: Child Rape Department" after Lois died giving birth to a dead mutant too-powerful Superbaby (while, of course, in mid-investigation against *whatever the topical issue is*, all made in ignorantly simplified way but acting like it's witty and pertinent commentary on topical social issues).

And true, it couldn't "end with a final curtain" or the pretentious final period. First time I heard about the series I thought it be in the sorts of "graphic novel solid seriousness", but the whole point of the joy (and the sheer awesomeness that goes far beyond the "super serious seriousness of last word and definitive take on______") goes to the other end of the stick.

(but the words "even without Quitely" hurts... I can't imagine this series without Quitely or Jamie in my head, no matter how great the replacements could be -- the visual factor of the series is something itself that's very specific A*Sups experience that got carved in my mind)

23:47 / 02.04.07

I wouldn't like ASS to go further than the perfectly-formed 12-issue diamond that it's no doubt going to be (I'm not saying this with any knowledge of how the thing pans out in the long run, just what's becoming obvious from the series already).

My instinct tells me that DC might like the smell of money a bit too much to let that happen though.

The Natural Way

07:15 / 03.04.07

Yes, but when Morrison leaves it, you can just decide it's all over.

14:04 / 03.04.07

There are only 12 models...

19:43 / 03.04.07

Yes, but when Morrison leaves it, you can just decide it's all over.

Easy done.

Torchwood doesn't exist in Dr. Who continuity, don't you know?

18:19 / 04.04.07

At risk of being more hated than already, I thought you might like to know the hardback trades of the first six issues are in, so they should be heading shopside within the very near future.

It's a very classy, iconic-looking package. Arty pages between issues of panels in extreme, halftone-revealing close-up. Lots of wee art and colour corrections here and there. Second issue in particular is totally transformed and looks like a different comic.

There's no extras at all, but it's a beautiful, streamlined book that serves the comic and the comic alone. Worthy of the series and then some.

Keith, like a scientist

18:28 / 04.04.07

i'm hoping there is a mega 12 issue hardcover when all is said and done. Not an "absolute" edition, but just a nice robust 12 issues solid hardcover.

18:39 / 04.04.07

I would not mind a big honking AB edition, or an oversized HC like Marvel produces.

If GM has more tales on tap, I would not mind 13 and beyond with another artist.

In regards to future ALL STAR series, both Supes and Bats were announced as ongoing series, with rotating teams of creators "bringing their a-game" to the characters. I can't imagine any writer who could follow GM and keep me aboard but maybe it'll happen.

09:42 / 06.04.07

Woo-hoo! I have finally caught up with you lot.
I only just got issue 6, and now it looks like there's barely a week to go till the next one. :-D
Then it took me ages to get from where the first discussion of issue 6 left off to now.
Lots of thoughts bubbling - just a quick post now though.

I have been looking of the mention of it and seen no explicit mention of this idea so far:
The Chronovore! Did anyone else get a fun sense of how it only "ate up" three minutes of Clark's life, in so much as he spent three minutes wrangling it.
Which led me to the thought that perhaps it only ate the old man's life in the sense that he died naturally at the end of his life.
(I totally missed that he was the guy from the diner - duh - I think the panel showing the photograph from the Fortress ought to have shown the picture-side with him in it. If it wasn't for Barbelith... )

Grant has used metaphor-creatures for entropy/ inevitable passage of time in the past. Did no one else get that feeling from #6?
Course, that leads to the idea that the Superman Squad were "killing death" (or time) finally.
Oh, I am getting a bit carried away now: Is that the entering of the supercontext, or the Christian life-after-death. Hang on, it's the same thing.
Or I am reaching a bit? I am sure you'll let me know.

16:00 / 06.04.07

I guess it's that and more: if young Supes from 36 was able to get a grip of what was happening he knew that golden superman was himself.

and that knowledge was carried on to 'our' Supes - hidden in bandages - to help him cope with the sun energy overload he's tainted with. he knows he won't die, not in the regular sense anyway.

in terms of continuity, the DC 1 Million WTF moment maybe only gave our Supes the precise date of his comeback to the... spotlight - or from it.

i wonder if #12 will end with him entering the sun, causing a big blow of solar energy that empowers Humanity to the next level.

Aha! I am Klarion

19:11 / 06.04.07

I don't think it will end like that...If only because Grant says he has more planned for all-star supes, even if it is not going to be published. Though Geoff Darrow and Grant doing all-star world's finest would be tops.

23:48 / 06.04.07

>>>>Course, that leads to the idea that the Superman Squad were "killing death" (or time) finally.

I saw quite in the contrary. Young Sup's failure was his eagerness to try to stop it (as he tried to stop his Pa's death as a mirror situation), while present Sups didn't try to stop it, he accepted and got to enjoy a union and harmony towards his father and his death. I took it that the "stopping" of Chronovore out-of-camera was made in some "superhero poetics" manner (the "5D snares and tesseract cage"**) implied as an unseen act to mirror present-Sup's stance and his way to "tame" time.

I think the 'killing' of death was the final turnout, that it's a transformation. In the sense of a eternal flower that grows from Pa Kent's grave and death (things that spring from him and his death), and the golden Superman... This issue was beautifully textured with "land fertility" motifs (which Quitely helped visually as well) that drove home the bigger cycle ideas for me that went beyond the land motif, and further "supercontext" ideas.

** Or I'm completetly wrong, and "tesseract" was actually used in a pertinent way in scientific terms that was beyond scifi superhero poetics ('cause I have no idea what it means, just something vaguely towards crazy time theories about cube and space)

ps: I also took Chronovore as something meta somehow to the readers (as in Zatanna's/Invisible's sense, "Time Monsters" instead of "Space Monsters"), in the meta-geometry scheme. Eyes, hands and mouths digesting the comic. But that's me, and my constant liking of Morrison's comics in his meta-magicks ways.

Can't wait for next week...

23:49 / 06.04.07

I don't think it will end like that...If only because Grant says he has more planned for all-star supes

But, on the other hand, it's such a Mozzison staple for humanity to go TO TEH NEXT LEVEL!!! Plus, we don't know how the 12+ issue plan has changed since M's opening hyperbole.

12:33 / 07.04.07

Thinking back: the preview for #6, that object in the Underverse looks like the Bizarro infra-technician who fell in at the start of #4, but all fucked-up as you'd expect.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:54 / 07.04.07

I'm trying to figure out if Htrae was already in the underverse, or if the Bizarro technician generates it by falling through.

Thoughts - Black K removed from the Underverse in #4 causes Clark to act more and more like a Bizarro. Black K could be the Bizarro version of one of the other, normal matter Kryptonites like Blue K is.

Been reading the SHOWCASE LEGION over the last couple of days, which has disturbing echoes with A*S; the "action suit" line is almost directly cribbed, I think.

BUT! Wednesday! All-Star Superman on Wednesday!

14:48 / 09.04.07

Interview with Frank Quitely on Newsarama!

This makes me really happy.

17:55 / 09.04.07

Apparently Quitely's doing a signing down in Edinburgh in two weeks to mark the release of the A*S graphic novel.

Even if he is a week late, i'll still be going.

source:- some comic shop owner.

18:39 / 10.04.07

Number 7 came back in comp box and looks neat. Super mind-boggling feats (and that was just the production). Yes, we are planning a signing at DEADHAD COMICS in Edinburgh (Candlemaker's Row in the Auld Town up from the Grassmarket some Saturday VERY soon). Will post once we've coordinated times. On page 3 of issue eight now *gasp* must, urghhhh, keep, goin

18:50 / 10.04.07

hang in there, Jamie!!

Very psyched for Bizarro Quitely goodness tomorrow. Quitely's interview mentioned Jamie's pencil/illustration art, as well as those of us who are more familiar with Jamie's coloring and digital inking ventures.

19:06 / 10.04.07

You know, I'm not normally into such things, but I'd really like an ASS trade signed by you guys.

16:22 / 11.04.07

Hey Jamie! I liked your bio for the ASS Hardcover. Cool.

Issue 7's out..."Being Bizarro"...has anyone read it? It's lovely.

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